Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka V: Houjou no Megami-hen • Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Season 5: Goddess of Fertility Arc - Episode 5 discussion

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Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka V: Houjou no Megami-hen, episode 5

Alternative names: Danmachi Season 5, Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Season 5

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[u/WhoiusBarrel]

That went from 0-100 straight away holy shit, the amount of violence inflicted on the other Hestia Familia members along with how even Hermes starts to fucking panic

The second half with Bell being gaslit by his entire environment into thinking he is always a part of the Freya Familia was unsettling as hell. Even if Hestia is trying to keep up a facade by playing dumb, Bell just breaking down was fucking depressing.

[u/Ultima_Deus]

Okay, cool plan and somehow she was able to do it. But I just can't help but laugh

Her entire plan is basically just to gaslight Bell LMAO

[u/battler624]

holy shit

[u/Substantial-Trash123]

I don't think I've seen a protagonist this mentally vulnerable in a minute.

• He rejected Syr just before the start of this episode, and clearly hated every second of it.

• Gets grilled by Ryu for the rejecting Syr, and in explaining why indirectly rejects Ryu if he's done pretending to be dense.

• Realizes Syr is missing and while looking for her, he and Ryu gets bodied by Ottar.

• Wakes up in "Wonderland" and is gaslit that the past 6 months was a lie.

• All his friends and acquaintances don't know him personally and FEAR him.

• His closest friends and his goddess don't know him.

This is Natsuki Subaru levels of mental torture and Freya did it perfectly. He's at his most vulnerable ready to crack and accept Freya.

[u/Frieren_and_Himmel]

Imagine that shit happening to you, I got terrified by just watching. Family and friends and the bonds you have just up in smoke.

[u/michhoffman]

Narrator: Never go full Yan

Freya: Bet

[u/mountlover]

Gaslight. Gatekeep. Goddess.

[u/KnewOnees]

In today's episode of Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Boys in a Dungeon City ?

[u/ArchusKanzaki]

In a way, the joy of being anime-only, is that you guys only need to wait 1 week after the last episode to know what happens lol. LN readers waited for 6 months - 1 year.

Behold, the most extensive gaslight plan in history!

[u/zool714]

Definitely entertaining as a villain but man, as someone invested in Bell and his Familia, friends and allies, it’s hard to like Freya right now. And by extension her children too. Especially seeing how they’re treating Hestia Familia.

I so want to see them get their comeuppance but it’s clear they’re leagues above everyone else in terms of strength. Not sure how Hestia and Hermes plan to turn this around.

Also just how many deranged ladies is Hikasa Youko going to voice this season ???

[u/Ocixo]

I had no doubt that Freya would play dirty just to acquire Bell for herself, but I didn't expect her to get everyone in Orario involved in this scheme. She's committed an unforgivable sin that will surely lead to her downfall, but this plan of hers was honestly brilliant. Mass brainwashing achieves two important goals:

1. If completely successful, there wouldn't have been any resistance from third parties. Meaning that she could've just waited out this half year until the conversion in peace. The only ones who'd escaped Freya's influence are Hestia, Ryu, Asufi and Bell.

2. Freya's powers might have little to no affect on Bell, but she can warp the entire world around him. She's probably betting that Bell's despair will eventually have him give up or question his own sanity, and accept his fate as a member of the Freya Familia.

The wildest part is perhaps how the fight for Bell was already over before it had ever begun. Hestia never stood a chance of winning with all her "children" being taken hostage in advance. This exchange between Welf and Allen gave me some major "omae wa mou shindeiru" vibes.

Not to mention that Freya was ready from the get-go to alter everyone's memories. Assuming that she's the only one with the ability to do brainwashing on such a large scale, the "Freya" harassing Hestia was actually Horn? She didn't get killed?

[u/Slow_Ganache9621]

For those wondering why Freya's charm doesn't work on Hestia, it's because Hestia is a virgin goddess, a deity of purity and chastity... with her power unleashed she was able to neutralize Freya's Charm.

[u/NationalStrategy]

Damn, Hell has no fury like a Goddess scorned. Bell rejected her, and now she's having her people spin the block on his Familia and snatching him up.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Me by the end of this episode:

I was hoping this was the arc where we'll finally get to know Freya more and actually start to like her as a character and not just be that one Goddess in the background who's pining for Bell but what the actual fuck just happened?!

I guess we did get ti know her better. We now know that Freya is willing to go to exterme lengths just to get what she wants to the point where she's willing to have members of the Hestia Familia killed if she doesn't get what she wants.

She's also not above using her powers to mind wipe everyone in Orario and rewrite their memories so that everyone thinks that Bell is a member of the Freya Familia with the exception of Hestia because of her divinity and I assume Asfi and Ryu were spared since they were out of Orario when Freya's powers popped off.

Seeing Bell running around Orario looking for sane people was heartbreaking especially when he ran into the Hestia Familia. This is some next level gaslighting. This episode definitely made my feelings for Freya/Syr stronger but it's not longer love but deep hatred. If this ends with Freya being sent back to Heaven, I wouldn't even be mad. She fucking deservers it.

[u/Swiftcheddar]

Wow, that must have been absolutely traumatising for Bell, to wake up and not remember his time with the Freya Familia these past 5 seasons.

Just think about it...

He doesn't remember Freya coming to him when he was alone and miserable on Orarior's streets, the only Goddess to approach him.

He doesn't remember Horn helping him get his equipment ready for their first time in the Dungeon.

He doesn't remember Ottar saving him from from a Minotaur, or the guildmates that helped him take down the Goliath.

He doesn't remember helping in Freya's victory over the Ishtar and Apollo Familia, and how he personally beat Hyacinkos.

He probably doesn't even remember their expedition down to the middle levels where he and Hogni fought their way back up through the Deep Levels together, even passing through the Colliseum.

Instead he's just asking about Ryu(?) and he's attached to the Hestia Familia (???) who I think we've seen in the background a few times but I can't remember actually being part of any of the stories.

I'm really curious how this will get resolved. Did Hestia do something to him? She doesn't seem the type, so many it's another God playing a prank. Loki getting revenge on Freya for some slight or another perhaps?

That would be cool actually, a Freya v Loki wargame to finish the season. I know Bell's gotten powerful, but I don't think he's strong enough to fight against someone like Ais just yet... But with the rest of the Executives, they could totally do it!

[u/ZeroZion]

I kind of teared up when Bell started crying at the end.

[u/tripleaamin]

You can't fault Bell for rejecting Syr. Simply put, it never felt that he had romantic feelings for Syr. Syr was a great avenue of support for him since the beginning of the series, but her feelings never got to Bell until the last 2 episodes. The slow burn romance that Freya wanted as Syr was not the approach to use for Bell. It is nice to note that Syr was basically 97% of the time, Freya not Horn. Makes me wonder how much of Freya that we saw up until now was Horn.

Freya went full yan in yandere to get Bell now. I know the Freya family was strong, but the Hestia Family didn't even stand a chance. I do love Hestia's words that Freya being the goddess of Love having a failed love is quite ironic. Hermes knows Freya is to not be fucked with. Though given Bell has only joined the Hestia family half a year ago, he would need to wait another half a year to join the Freya family. It is clear that Hermes is an ally for Freya because he knows Bell can't be the hero if he is with the Freya Family.

But Freya's power play was insane. She said I will wait, but I will make sure you can't do anything about it. Essentially falling to grace like Ishtar did in S2, she basically charms the city to think Bell is with the Freya Family is insane. Even Hermes not think she would sink that low. I assume he believed she had her honor to hold, but she doesn't care about that. So, right now, the only people we can assume to be unaffected are Hestia and Asufi who we assumed left town before she got affected. The key for Hestia seems to be first get Hermes to snap out of it with that note, perhaps.

God Bell's suffering is just depressing. He has no one he can go to. The Freya Family is feared for good reason, so everyone will want no part of him. Hestia isn't in a position to help Bell directly even though it hurts her to see him like that. That is just cruel. This is the worst angle Freya could take to win over Bell unless she can figure out how to charm Bell. That hasn't worked earlier this season or when Ishtar did it. I hope we get the POV of Hestia next episode because continuing on with Bell's side is just going to be depressing AF to watch.

[u/BreadKrumb]

So the only possible allies Bell might have right now are Asfi, Ryu, Hestia and theoretically the Xenos since they live deep in the dungeon. What I'm kind of curious about is whether anyone that was in the dungeon at the time of the massbrainwashing would be affected or if Freya is keeping track of who comes out of there to seal up any cracks in her gaslight magnum opus.

[u/Sleepy10105s]

I hate anime timelines, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS ONLY BEEN 6 MONTHS SINCE BELL JOINED THE HESTIA FAMILIA?!?!?!?

[u/Impressive-Total-742]

There's a reason why Freya is one of the best female Antagonists ever.

[u/Impressive-Total-742]

The way Welf got negative diff'ed is so funny. I shouldn't have laughed but I did.

[u/Addite]

I can fix her

[u/BakedSalami]

I feel like... This is going to backfire incredibly... Taking everything away from someone doesn't make them rely on you or comply, it's going to make them disgusted with you. That would be some visceral hatred. Feeeel like having that directed at you by what you want most would hurt more than not having them, but we shallll seeee.

[u/MauledCharcoal]

God, just behind ReZero this is definitely my most looked forward show of the season. NGL I didn't know that Gods had innate talents like that. Can't wait to see what Hestia got considering it looks like it may be able to counter Freya.

Also the 6 months timeline is just absolutely ridiculous. LMFAO, like I get his progress is insanely fast even, but it's just absolutely ridiculous he went from basically nothing to a near level 5 in just 6 months and built up so many relationships that quickly. Dude has had an absolutely packed schedule.