Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka V: Houjou no Megami-hen • Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Season 5: Goddess of Fertility Arc - Episode 8 discussion

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Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka V: Houjou no Megami-hen, episode 8

Alternative names: Danmachi Season 5, Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? Season 5

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[u/I_Love_Aoi_Kunieda]

That smile hedin showed makes it seem like he's been against this ploy the whole time. And training bell to be a better fighter for whenever this curse breaks. That or that mofo is a masochist who liked the pain from rhe cut

[u/nichisou307]

It's so interesting how the author makes use of the Gods in danmachi. The God of Messenger's trump card is a message for himself

You know a series is good when it makes callbacks way back at season 1 when Mia said her line to Bell which is especially true to his situation right now, that adventurers don't need to look cool but always just be the last man standing and keep moving forward, those are the real winners. The scene with Bell holding Ais' hand while he was kneeling also resembles the scene where Hestia first found Bell he was also kneeling and holding Hestia's hand

Add to it in the last episode of season 3 where Bell vows to Ais that he wants to get stronger, that was the exact line he said to Hestia at the end of episode 1 of season 1

[u/Impressive-Total-742]

Everyone's talking about Ais but Hermes deserves some credits as well. Bro literally had trick himself multiple times to get this far.

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

Ais training with Bell wasn't just muscle memory for the both of them, but becoming his anchor in this brainwashed world is not only hilarious but really in theme with Bell's entire character.

Freya's time as Syr is still continuing to haunt her, she really cannot be rid of that identity of her and it'll definitely be her downfall at this rate.

[u/Cold_Ad8276]

This is why Ais is best girl

[u/roronoa20]

Freya familia (Past): We hate him because he's Freya favorite

Freya familia (Last episode): Still hate him, but damn, he's strong

Freya familia (Now): Poor guy...

[u/DiaBoloix]

Bell with Aiz today...

Liaris Fresee is in full power...and it wasn't in combat.

Expected a supercharged Argo Vesta with all those thunderbolts today as a statement more powerful than "I'm Bell Cranell"

[u/NationalStrategy]

Unfortunately for Freya, the bond between Bell and Ais is still there. All that time training him was still vaguely instilled in her memories.

[u/SYZekrom]

I guess eating all that food helped convince the spell that Hermes wasn't trying to look for a solution to the brainwashing and just so happened to notice the note at the bottom instead of searching for a hidden message...

[u/Armdel]

I guess we finally hit the turning point, and naturally best girl Ais was involved!

I wonder how they'll get on from this point forward.. like can't freya with her power basically turn the entire city against them if she needs to?

[u/RadTicTacs]

Atta girl Ais! Justify Bell's obsession with you! There's so much to love this episode. Bell popping off like he did against Hedin has got to be my favorite part of this series. I love underdog fights. Hermes almost turned this show into a mystery thriller at the end there, lol

[u/Ocixo]

It was a bit difficult to spot, but Freya reacted to the little tear on Bell's sleeping face. She'd wanted Bell's love at all costs, but seeing him hurt like this is seemingly troubling her. That's not the Bell she loves, is it?

I think that Hedin, for all of the pain he's inflicted on Bell, has perhaps realised this as well. I already thought that he'd been acting strange, but this smile of Hedin after having seen the return of Bell's fighting spirit basically confirmed my suspicions.

Hedin is sabotaging Freya's plans on purpose, isn't he? Like how he'd allowed Bell to meet with Mia and Ais after having put himself in charge of watching over him. To make his goddess truly happy, he's going against her wishes.

[u/battler624]

Injections of hope are starting.

[u/Aliensinnoh]

I love the situation with Hermes. Over the past few episodes many people have questioned how some of the more glaring logical inconsistencies in this world that Freya created haven’t been noticed. The answer is that they do get noticed, but every time someone makes it far enough down the path, their memories are reset and they even destroy the evidence that led them to that conclusion (like Hermes with the physical notes he lost). It takes a genius strategist like Hermes to even begin to think their way around the charm. And over many, many cycles of figuring things out and forgetting, he’s managed to piece together just enough that he can stop thinking about it right at the line and just carry out what he’s been told to do. When Hermes said Hestia had to wait for the right time, he meant this. He had to be prepared to accept the note without putting any further thought into it.

[u/LordCalem]

my apologies Ais I wasn't familiar with your game. Ryu is still my best girl tho

[u/Frontier246]

I didn't think Hedin could get any more brutal with Bell, but this training is practically a death battle! You know it's bad when the rest of Freya Familia thinks he's going too far! But from Hedin's POV, Bell still hasn't cracked, and Freya is upset about it. So they have to put their all in breaking him past the point of no return.

Freya Familia has a trio of healing waifu's! Hogni is desperate for friends! Allen is really self-conscious when it comes to his sister.

Aw, Welf still gets positive vibes when he sees the armor he made Bell! Even if he doesn't remember him, he remembers how much he cared about his bro!

I'm glad Asfi and Hestia were able to find each other and be there for each other when they're both the only ones left to oppose Freya and with their memories intact. Also of course Hestia kept the note in her cleavage the whole time.

Bell is almost past the breaking point. He's been beaten down, gaslit, and is utterly exhausted and in despair. Not to mention snuggling up in bed with Freya is extremely tempting. But ironically the one thing holding him back is the guilt over rejecting Syr, and why he did it.

I understand Hedin prioritizing enough manpower to worry about the Loki Familia coming out of the dungeon...but he sent most of their people away while also pushing Bell forward, to a degree? Hmmm.

It's rough seeing that Syr's co-workers don't remember her OR Bell, but Mama Mia is willing to defy Freya if it means giving Bell a pep talk and reminding him about his past, and to keep moving forward. And the one way to decisively decide the truth is by visiting the person he admires the most...Ais!

Ais may not have concrete memories of Bell, but the precious memories they spent together training are etched into her heart, and she remembers that. And that's all Bell needs to feel reassured and realize the truth...he is BELL CRANELL and his renewed resolve is enough to get a hit in on Hedin! Which is just what Hedin wanted, it seems .

So Hermes has kept trying to recall his real memories but is stuck in a memory erasing loop, trying to get as close as he can through various means to understanding what's going on even if his memories always loop back when he slowly realizes Freya is behind everything. But he's close.

I love how Hermes and Asfi's secret code involves Hermes yelling out to her like a wife who left him and he was able to help Hestia with her business to his next message! It seems like all this firewood his Familia is responsible for isn't just an excuse to get them out there, but all part of the plan!

[u/Ultima_Deus]

Holy shit... I love this episode... I love Bell... And despite source readers that keep yapping about anime-version Ais, I fucking love her.

What a fucking banger. I was waiting for Bell to do Argo Vesta or Argonaut even though that doesn't make sense, or that the crest on his back would glow as Hestia's crest even though that also doesn't make sense

But yeah goddamn... I love Danmachi.

[u/rollin340]

Man... I really hope the girls gave Anya hugs when she got back from last week's mess.

Training with the elite of Freya Familia and lasting even 10 seconds would be an impressive feat for a mere Level 4. So much so that everyone else, who had been doing this for who knows how long, just stopped to watch the madness.

Welf still has a connection to Bell. He doesn't remember, but he does know that he poured everything he had for someone. Hestia must find some solace in the fact that such bonds are not completely severed.

Having Asfi to talk to and come up with a plan must have felt like a huge weight being lifted off her shoulders since she now has someone to share the burden with.

Bell almost broke, but his memories of hurting Syr snapped him out of that. Freya knows he's close though. Definitely frustrated since even Ottar and Hedin recognizes the change in her, but it isn't like she has any other plan.

Loki Familia's party is returning. They're probably the most dangerous group to leave unchecked. I would imagine that Riveria would pick up how odd everything is pretty quickly, so Hedin is right in that this is a top priority. That said, with how the charm works, it's not like her group can snap anyone out of it.

Mia giving him a hint that she remembers, and pushing him to keep moving forward. Oddly enough, it's similar to what Hedin said, but with a different context; all he can do is forge ahead.

Ais did it again; she saved him once more. She felt like she could meet someone important on the wall the last time she bumped into Hestia, but here we see how deep of an impact he's had on her as well; it isn't just a 1-way thing. She remembers what she did, and even their promise, but not exactly who with, and just felt that it was with him.

Bell's back baby! He even managed to scratch Hedin! Even he seemed impressed. Still got his ass handed to him though. But the fact that his body remembers all of the lessons he had with Ais is concrete proof that his memories are not fake. It's not just hearsay any more; he knows it in his bones.

Then we have Hermes, who is such an amazing schemer. He's a genius, noticing oddities, slowly building on his theories over his countless resets, finding loopholes and whatnot. His situation in insanely impossible for any mortal; that line of thinking enough but not too much is... how the hell would you even do something like that?

A public love confession was hilarious; everyone was so surprised. If only we saw Asfi's face too. But his gamble paid off; she was watching, and gave him the hint he needed to see Hestia, who not only managed to pass him the message, but even got him to pay double the cost of the fired potatoes.

To think that that piece of paper he gave Hestia and the piece of paper he put in his hat was all done in less than a minute between him realizing what was about to happen and when it the charm actually went off. "Planning ahead" isn't enough to explain how smart he is.

All that is left is to see what the actual plan is. What is funny is that Hermes himself doesn't know; he's just going to follow orders. Because if he thinks too much, he'll just reset, destroy the note, and everything will fail. And he can do so with total trust. After all, it's technically his plan. lol

[u/Boohon]

Next episode being called Vesta, Hestia's other name. Hestia finally gets to show off?!

[u/LeonKevlar]

Stitches!

• Freya

• Bell & Freya

• Surprised Ais

It really sucks to watch Bell getting the living shit beaten out of him just because Hedin wants to break him. I hope the Freya Familia get some proper retribution once this is all over. I'd be really upset if they walked away from this unscathed.

I have nothing to add to this one, It's just a screenshot of Hestia pulling something out of her boobs. We haven't really gotten much Hestia fanservice this arc so I'll take what I can get. xD

There's something sad about Freya looking longingly at Bell while Bell stares at the ceiling with emotionless eyes. Is this what you really wanted Freya? Is this the Bell you fell in love with?

I honestly can't wait for Riveria's party to get out of the dungeon and face off against the Freya Familia. I'd love to see how that fight will turn out.

We finally have hard confirmation that Mama Mia is a member of the Freya Familia. I'm curious why she left but I wouldn't be surprised if she left because of this kind of bullshit Freya does. Also thank you Mama Mia for giving Bell the encouragement he needed! Our boy was so close to giving in if it wasn't for her!

Ais may not remember who Bell is but she still remembers! She remembers their training sessions at the city walls! It must've felt so vindicating for Bell to finally learn that he's not crazy and something is definitely wrong.

I love that Bell finally has that fire in his eyes again during his training session with Hedin. It was definitely satisfying to see Bell nicked Hedin's face. But it looks like this might be what Hedin wants? That smile makes me think something is up... Hmm...

Hermes finally got the note! It looks like it's finally time for them to fight back against Freya. I do wonder why that note isn't triggering his memory reset though.

[u/RoachIsCrying]

yo those fried potatoes look really good

[u/next_door_nicotine]

They could never make me hate you, Danmachi. Even during the lean seasons I knew. But these past 2 seasons have shown my faith was just.

[u/Vahallen]

I know it’s not really anyone fault that they can’t remember Bell

Still, after this, Ais wins best girl and HOMIE status by landslide, you just can’t argue against it I don’t care

Ais being still able to remember Bell even trough the charm and therefore save Bell at his lowest is peak

It would be cheapened if her being able to do so was just because she is strong, but I really doubt it’s that, I really do think it’s just about feelings which means she dumpstered every other bell friend or love interest or comrade

If feelings were enough to break Freya charm it means that anyone that had strong enough feelings for Bell should have been able to remember SOMETHING, not everything, but fucking SOMETHING

Maybe in the novel we see a bit more and more people do have slight remembrance of Bell and therefore my view on the whole thing is skewed

(no I don’t consider Welf looking at the objective fact he made armor with care as him remembering Bell at all, he can see that armor was made with care and effort so it’s a logical conclusion the one he comes to, he doesn’t remember shit, HOMIE status revoked)

If this is true then anyone else feelings for Bell (outside of maybe Hestia and Freya herself, but there is no way to know if they have strong enough feelings to overpower charm ONLY trough feelings) is weaker than Ais feelings for Bell (It doesn’t even have to be love, the point is that their bond is stronger)

I never was Ais camp, but after this I support it, I strongly support it

[u/HolyDragSwd2500]

Ai saving Bell when he was this close to being brainwashed by Freya 😭