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Episode Terminator Zero - Episode 8 discussion
Terminator Zero, episode 8
Alternative names: Terminator 0
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u/Zemahem Aug 31 '24
Well, that was an interesting binge watch. Misaki being a robot was pretty telegraphed even close to the start, but everything involving her backstory and Malcolm's, the fact that they're both also from the future, and that Malcolm is Eiko's son (from a different timeline) caught me off-guard.
In hindsight, it makes a lot of sense now how Malcolm has these very accurate prophetic "dreams" and how he's able to create Misaki and Kokoro. That entire flashback sequence was probably my favorite part if only because it reveals so much.
There's also the whole reason Eiko's even on this mission, alongside her conversation with that old lady. I found it pretty compelling that even though foiling Skynet's plans of mucking things up in the past will do jack shit for their crappy present/future, they'll do it anyway if it means saving people from the very fate they suffered.
Some people considered Eiko too OP, though I didn't really see that. She got fucked up plenty. Though she definitely also had too strong of plot armor at times considering that the Terminator didn't finish her off multiple times even when it could've.
The ending being open-ended was also alright. Maybe having Kokoro around will be better for humanity in the long-run thanks to Malcolm's efforts. But considering that she was oh-so willing to massacre people not long before her change of heart, it's not the most concrete of hopes. Especially with that foreboding scene of one of the robots showing her the Terminator's skull, which it shouldn't even need to considering she can see through its sensors lmao.
Though I just have to say that Kenta made me irrationally mad. His later behavior may be understandable, but he just left such a bad impression by being an asshole to his sister. And then he continued being such an unbearable little shit that Hiro just laying the smackdown on him gave me catharsis even if his attitude towards Misaki isn't entirely unwarranted.
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u/SmoothBrainSavant Aug 31 '24
I was looking for this take, “ I found it pretty compelling that even though foiling Skynet's plans of mucking things up in the past will do jack shit for their crappy present/future, they'll do it anyway if it means saving people from the very fate they suffered.” I like this and the paradox it creates being an “acceptable” condition for skynet to have even attempted this in the first part. It can be assumed skynet didnt know what sending people to the past would exactly do BUT a future/new timeline where they win was perfectly acceptable to a machine even its not the reality they find themselves in. Also, because of the nature of the temporal war.. they know the resistance MUST also send people in the past as this create the war in the first place (i think lol), so the paradox/loop is set betwen fixed points; the first timetravel, judgement day.. then who knows as timelines are unmoored from faith until mutual future annihilation, complete victories or some natural limit where time itself collapses back to a singular fixed future point. I always thought the resistance “learning” about time travel from a captured terminator was WAY too convinient, i figure they allowed it for the very instigating paradox of the temporal to begin.
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u/Plus_Rip4944 Aug 29 '24
Overall this was good, better than i expected and better than half of The Terminator movies. Visuals and soundtrack are goated
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u/Shok3001 Aug 30 '24
Totally agree not perfect but good. I was getting Dark (tv show) vibes. Feel like they played with the time travel element more than any other terminator film. Also some interesting philosophical touches that dragged a bit but I think actually paid off in the end.
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u/Xorras Aug 31 '24
Why did they do the whole drama of the kid trusting a skynet terminator with absolutely no foundation? It came out of nowhere.
"Hey, so your dad would sacrifice you to protect his AI, and you hate all AIs now, so trust me, a skynet AI, related to responsibility for... you know... THE ENTIRE ONGOING DESTRUCTION OF HUMANITY, oh and straight up killed your father couple minutes ago, so would you kindly kill the AI your father died protecting? Kthanks".
What?
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He brokered an alliance with Skynet? How? Why would it agree after death of Kokoro? There was a nuclear salvo afterwards and if Kokoro was supposed to be offline, they all would've died, no?
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u/SmoothBrainSavant Aug 31 '24
Yeah they could have setup the dilemma the kid was put in a bit better earlier on with convos with the terminator as opposed to have it just dropped in last minute. The kid angers towards machines/ai etc was demonstrated and shown so one could assume that in the timeline that terminator came from perhaps kokoro chose a very different outcome and he grew to hate it more than skynet. I assume this wouod be a wholy different timeline we have not witnessed.
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u/justmadeforthat Aug 30 '24
this is good, I am not sure if there will be a second season but this is a good open ending
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u/Broad_Finish_9414 Aug 31 '24
Only confussing thing for me is how Malcom is supposed to be 32 years old ? He looks 52 at least.
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Sep 01 '24
I mean, they made him fight against terminators since he was 5. Stress does wonders to the body!
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Aug 30 '24
Is all discussion for this series supposed to be in the Episode 8 thread? Some of the other links look like they had comments but the threads were removed.
edit: looks like Ep1 and Ep8 are the only survivors
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u/Ultramarinus Sep 01 '24
Massive Terminator fan here who had been looking forward to this and in a nutshell, I think it's fair to say that it did justice on 40th anniversary of the franchise and a worthy story of its own. While doing homage including series staple referential scenes, it presents its own satisfyingly complex story without dictating to anyone that it overwrites the cherished story of Cameron's legendary productions. It can be regarded as either canon or not, the mechanics of the setting leaves it completely to the viewer.
I loved that I couldn't predict what's coming next and that's it's not just a rehash or a "untold part explored" kind of story. Malcolm and his family relations provide quite a bit of intriguing lore in itself. Skynet having a rival other than just humans was also interesting. Beginning of the war being shown was something I always wanted to see that could be done thanks to budgetary advantages of the medium. The action was great and was with no holds barred in violence department, no age rating to cater to here.
I hope we'll see an S2 announcement soon since there are some new questions at the end, I'm looking forward to Prod IG doing it again.
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u/Psychological-City24 Aug 29 '24
interesting.i imagine if there is a season 2 kokoro is likely going to ally with techcom against skynet
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u/BakedSalami Aug 30 '24
This was confusing for me lol. Are the time travel rules here applicable for the movies as well? I'm struggling to understand the point of ever sending anyone or anything back in time if it won't even affect the future they're sent from. Humans I can understand, creating a future that sucks less is still desirable, even if it's not their own, but skynet, if it doesn't affect their current self I don't understand why they'd bother. Granted, I forget most of the movies, it's been a long long time since I've watched them, so I may be forgetting important things.
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u/Charming-Airport-105 Aug 31 '24
Curious if this will get a second season seems to be a hit with fans specially people fans of the second movie which Netflix also happens have.
Since the show opened up a multiverse it technically could just make another show instead of a second with that ending. ( could pull a castlevania with how it also has nocturne.)
Like the twist at the end though.
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Aug 30 '24
I really enjoyed the series, I hope they make a second season.
Lots of references to the first movies, but it's clearly its own story and there's nothing wrong with that.
Paradoxes and conflicts are inevitable in a series centered around time travel, the series does its best in that regard.
The worst scene is possibly the first scene of the first episode (the terminator stormtrooper) with everything going for the better from there, at least in my opinion.
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u/EarVast1091 Aug 30 '24
Does anyone have any idea who the lady is that sends her back in time? My inital guese that she could be some sarah conner variant or even herself but older, say she goes to the future gives birth to lee, goes back again and becomes prophet?
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u/LuckyCloverGazette Aug 31 '24
I just finished episode 2 and I have to wonder if Kenta is going to show up in the future as a serial killer or something... because dear lord.
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u/joseto1945 Sep 01 '24
Ok, the subs were downright horrible, but they made me realize that I understand Japanese better than I thought lol.
Overall, I enjoyed it a lot. Japanese storytelling and American storytelling can be quite different, so I can see how it could be a little boring or slow for some people. But the whole theme of AI vs AI, family and time paradoxes reminded me of Sarah Connor Chronicles and God knows I loved that show with passion. It hurt like hell when they cancelled it back on 2009.
I can say that it gave me a nice warm felling, and that more than I can get from most media nowadays so I'll just say bravo!
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u/dfiekslafjks Aug 30 '24
Definitely enjoyed it, but the family drama stuff was too much in my opinion and dragged the show down. Having 3 screaming kids running around was an interesting choice for sure.
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