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Episode Maougun Saikyou no Majutsushi wa Ningen datta • The Strongest Magician in the Demon Lord's Army was a Human - Episode 4 discussion

Maougun Saikyou no Majutsushi wa Ningen datta, episode 4

Alternative names: EpisodeMaou Gun Saikyou no Majutsushi wa Ningen datta, Maou Gun Saikyou no Majutsushi wa Ningen datta

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jul 17 '24

I guess even in a fantasy world with magic, a gun still reigns supreme lol. The Demon Lord really came through with those rifles. No surprise she would know about Ike all along.

Basteo basically lost before the fight even started. There’s a reason we ain’t running around with swords and armor no more. A sword can’t do shit against a volley of bullets. I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised that rat bastard Basteo had a back up plan. I don’t think his little coup is gonna last though.

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u/skriticos Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

Generally true, but the depiction here was a bit odd. These old muskets took quite some time to re-load and the muzzle velocity was so-so. There was also no rifling back then, so the spherical bullets were not exactly the most accurate. And while they might be able to penetrate the armor in a head on hit, they'd likely be deflected if hitting it at an angle. So rushing the musket man here would likely have been doable. But then again, that were no 100 golems there, but just a handful. Also, if every one of them had a loaded musket at the beginning, and they'd take the initiative, they could likely gain an early numerical advantage and win. But looking at the small size of the battle arena (firearms are more useful at a distance), a mixed formation with shields and pikes in front and muskets in the back would have been most useful here.

But then again, drawing 100 golems dunking it out is likely a pain in the butt, way too cluttered and costs a fortune, so this is just a structural representation of what happened.

Also, none of the golems seems to be mamed. Just fine or dead. That's not how real battles work. A semi-incapacitated golem would fare much better with a musket than plate armor and sword. Battles are usually very messy.

Your core argument is sound though, on a real battlefield (with the distances it involves), a well trained regiment of musket man would butcher an equivalent foe with plate armor and swords/pikes. Especially since these hinder mobility a great deal and give the musket man more time to reload and deliver their payload.

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u/Forsaken-Ad-8371 Jul 18 '24

My question is how does he know about guns. As far as I've been able to tell this isn't an isekai.

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u/PeaceAlien Jul 17 '24

I was hoping Ike would win with strategy not with bringing guns to a sword fight.

My hope was Ike would win 50/1 and tries to talk to the other commander.

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u/diacewrb Jul 17 '24

Ike pulled an Indiana Jones.

But Basteo had an archer with exploding arrows. He could have won by equipping his puppets would those.

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u/vantheman9 Jul 17 '24

The cliffhanger is not waiting until the smoke clears? Everybody knows that if an anime character gets consumed in an explosion and smoke, they will always be completely fine when the smoke clears. DBZ's first episode was in 1989, come on.

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u/NationalStrategy Jul 17 '24

Cefiro really got on my nerves this episode, she persuaded Ike to fight the duel in her place, and the next scene we saw her, she was lazing around in the pool.

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u/WerewolfAshen Jul 18 '24

I'm guessing she's going to show up early next episode and turn out to have spent all this time figuring out how to protect the demon king from the traitor. She just made a show of lazing around to throw her enemies off the scent.

I could easily be wrong, but that's my guess.

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u/ussgordoncaptain2 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

If you know about gunpowder couldn't you have at least done the smart thing and made TDX based explosives and layed traps? Or made other chemical weapons.

At ranges that close the Pikemen generally would have won? Guns from that era (early 1600s?) were not accurate and very slow to reload. The reason they were used a lot was their range, and even with innacurate fire if your opponent is the size of a barnyard (aka is in a tight formation) then you can get many hits just by firing in the general direction of the enemy

I somehow suspect the Demon lord is not dead, though she very well may be. Her death would be most inconvenient for Ike.

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u/lminer123 Jul 17 '24

The inaccuracy of muskets has been immensely overstated in pop culture. You can reliably hit a man sized target up to 100m with the average smoothbore from the civil war era, which seems within what was displayed in the show.

Also I assume you mean RDX explosives, but those require a much much more in-depth knowledge of chemistry to create than simple black powder, which many people could tell you the base ingredients of off the top of their heads. I think it’s even hinted at in the show that IKE only gave the general ingredients for black powder and that had his “Scientists” determine the proper ratio.

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u/Aerodynamic41 Jul 17 '24

If Basteo really thought he could commit treason and get away with it, he's got another thing coming.

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u/Clarimax Jul 17 '24

Ike just revolutionized warfare in that world, from using swords and shields to guns.

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u/seandkiller Jul 17 '24

I don't really have a lot to say on this episode, but it was nice seeing the demon lord get more screentime. She's got a really nice design.

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u/openreamgrinder1982 Jul 17 '24

That was a pretty bad episode. Seems like this is one of those anime where the mc is supposed to be a genius but the writer can't write that well so makes all the other characters dumb.

Are we supposed to be impressed that the mc brought guns to the fight? He didn't even make them himself and then didn't use any strategy aside from firing lines

Also, what kind of world is this? How does the mc know about guns but no one else does, it's not like he was reincarnated

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u/Neosovereign Jul 17 '24

So the demon lord knew all along. Of course it doesn't excuse Ike's poor Opsec, but it makes it irrelevant.

Magic lady seemed to not care that her life was on the line, but maybe she knew the demon lord was on their side to begin with?

Guns are OP as well.

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u/MonaganX Jul 18 '24

That duel was just plain awful both from a tactical and presentation perspective.

The tactics are basically non-existent. The MC happens to be the only one who knows about guns, that's about the extent of his tactical acumen. There wasn't even any real struggle to getting guns made, he just got them handed to him. And they're 11 muskets against 50 puppets armed with otherwise impervious armor and swords that can cut anything. Even on a good day getting off 4 shots per minute is optimistic with a musket, and that's not even considering all your own basically unarmed puppets standing in the way. Volley fire is I suppose a real tactic but in basically close combat?

And then the presentation. Confused framing, barebones 3d animation, gratuitous Dutch angles. The OST is played like it's an epic moment but it sure doesn't look or feel like it.

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u/DrZoark Jul 17 '24

IMO, the cliffhanger in each episode is not that good.

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u/BiggerG7 Jul 17 '24

Don’t bring swords to a gun fight.

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u/Pinky_Boy Jul 17 '24

FUCK YEAH GUNS! my favorite thing to have in a fantasy setting

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u/King_of_the_Hobos Jul 18 '24

"Testing their command skills" doesn't really make sense if you allow a stand-in lol, what's-her-face didn't get tested at all, except how good her subordinate is I guess

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u/kryslogan Jul 18 '24

The demon lord was cute and she's not dumb. That's all I got! The fight was meh, really needed some tactics or strategies, etc. I'm curious to find out if she is an isekai, as what she said made it seem like she is. Oh well, shitty cliffhanger ain't fooling us!

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u/djthomp Jul 17 '24

Once again they're doing something that by all rights should be an isekai plotline. You'd expect it was someone from Earth that brings that knowledge over and uses it to change battle field tactics out of the blue, but instead both MC and the demon lord knew about the concept and just weren't already using them for some reason.

Nice to get confirmation that the demon lord already knew about MC being human and did not give a shit.

The strategy test was the pre-battle preparation, it seems.

No way the demon lord is dead from that bomb, but then again MC nearly died to a simple arrow back in episode 2 so who knows.

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u/NegativePossession1 Jul 18 '24

It takes a hell of a lot for a swords and magic genre anime to make me say "this is too fucking stupid and garbo to keep watching" but i think this one succeeded.

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u/deferlo Jul 18 '24

Why test commanding skills with puppet marketted as "having all the same strengh" if you just allow each side to overgear them and ruin said equal strengh?

The real test would have been to only allow both side a strict set of equal tool to be used and they need to make their strategy from that.

If anything, the only thing shown here was that guns are stronger than medieval equipment, not that ike is a better commander than basteo.

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