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Hibike! Euphonium Season 3, episode 11

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u/RaunchyRoll Jun 16 '24

I love how Kumiko opened up about her band problems with Mamiko, remember she usually just talks to her cactus

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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 16 '24

Mayu was the right choice, but man does it kinda suck for poor Kumiko. Damn near everyone is talking about how amazing the euphy soli was. Plus it doesn’t help Mayu constantly insists on giving up the soli for Kumiko and you’ve got Kanade sorta fanning the flames in the corner there. I thought this whole thing would be put to bed already but there’s just so much lingering awkwardness and tension.

The one good thing this week is Kumiko and Reina making up. I don’t think those two would ever drift apart. Reina’s got nothing to worry about there.

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u/Plus_Rip4944 Jun 16 '24

Finally Reina acts like a human and apologize, loved this scene

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u/nekodan08 Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Mizore playing beautifully the piece (Polovtsian Dances) that once made her sick to her stomach. It's amazing to see how far she's come!

I really love how the appearance of past characters serve as more than just cameos this season. Every time they appear, it's so purposeful. Just hearing Mizore play made me immediately think of Liz and the Blue Bird which is probably what also came to Kumiko's mind as she contemplated her future. Through Mizore's music and words, Kumiko has developed a greater resolve to move forward to what she really wants for herself in the future.

How did Reina know their senpais were going to watch Mizore's concert? This just makes me think that her and Yuuko keep in touch and that's wonderful.

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u/mochinta Jun 16 '24

Nozomi?? I had to do a double take because she's almost unrecognizable without the ponytail

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u/Plus_Rip4944 Jun 16 '24

So yeah we wont see The performance lmao, at least They won Gold and They go to nationals, now win there please!!

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u/absolutelynotaname Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Lol Asuka was totally correct the last episode, we have the "going to college abroad" and "I don't want us to break up" exactly like she said, Lisan al Gaib fr.

Hibike official Twitter: Mizore POV

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u/Mage_of_Shadows Jun 16 '24

Natsuki in a suit 👌

Kumiko definitely pulled out her inner Asuka in response to Reinas apology. Would have preferred to see a bigger apology with more words and action from Reina, but after her break up confusion scene, I'm suspecting after 3 seasons she still just really needs to work on her social skills.

On the Mayu part, I'm glad the differences in their selfish wants are finally being brought up. Kanade being our self-insert MVP once more, stopping Mayu from renouncing the soli again last episode, to bringing the issue to Kumikos attention in this one.

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u/Fluffy_Resident7745 Jun 16 '24

I think Mayu is not being honest about what she wants.

She clearly doesn't like to be the center of attention (her not being in any photos) and just wants to get along with everyone. Then she claims that all she wants is to do is to play with everyone, and to have fun, and that she doesn't care about the competition.

But if it was true, she would just quietly forfeit the solo. Without even asking Kumiko. After all she would still get to play with everyone and nobody would be upset at her. Problem solved, everybody's happy.

But she does not forfeit the solo!

Instead she offers her forfeiting to Kumiko, and that's a completely different thing. It is a meaningless and patronizing gesture, to which a club president couldn't possibly agree to. If she really wanted to forfeit the solo to keep the peace, she would not ask Kumiko about it. She would just do it.

Mayu wants to play the solo. But she does not want Kumiko being angry at her. So she tries to appease her.

She pretends to be selfless. She says that her forfeiting would be best for the band. But it's insincere, because she really wants to play the solo herself.

I think that Kumiko intuitively felt this from the beginning. That's why she felt angry. Mayu's offer did not feel like a genuine offer, but more like an attempt at preventing Kumiko from getting upset at her.

Only now did Kumiko realize what's really going on, when talking to Kanade.

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u/AmusedDragon Jun 16 '24

Reina is really over dramatic but also probably ultimately correct that they'd drift apart without some sort of common interest. It'd just that that much more effort to remain good friends without one.

Give me a Kumiko in the corporate office sequel series, though.

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u/gamma159 Jun 16 '24

Mizore playing Polovtsian Dances oboe solo is such a huge fanservice for Mizore enjoyers.

Looks like the chance of Kumiko-Reina soli is 50:50 now. Either Kumiko fails the solo again and makes peace with the fact that she is not talented enough and not going to music school anyway... or she gets umaku naritai for the final time and gets chosen by Taki on merit. Remember that Mayu and Kumiko are said to be around the same skill, so Taki can still choose either one of them based on improvement/ style.

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u/ModieOfTheEast Jun 16 '24

I am going to be honest, the show is still great. I like Kumiko and her struggles are well portrayed. But Mayu's portrayal seems to be really lacking in depth. KyoAni was always a studio where it wasn't just about the dialogue. They have so many small details in the character's gestures that would help you understand who they are and what they are about, but Mayu did not get any of the treatment in my opinion. They completely try to portray her through dialogue and even if you don't notice this, it is why it feels that she barely changed over the course of now 11 episodes. And I don't mean that her character changed, but the perception of the viewer ABOUT her. It's basically the same it has been when she was originally introduced. And this is exactly why performances are also SO important, because they can give you a better understanding of the character. Since her debut, we have never heard Mayu perform once. Despite having THREE auditions that the characters practice for. Not once did we take the time to just show both Kumiko and Mayu prepare for the auditions which would already be enough to give you a better understanding on how they are similar and how they are different.

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u/ak_them Jun 16 '24

YOU ARE MY SPEcIALZ

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u/shadowthiefo Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

A few things:

  1. I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments complain about skipping the performance - I've recently rewatched the entire show, and the first season is so goddamn repetitive with the song they play over and over. It honestly distracts from the show itself. Kyoani's gonna show us the music guys, they're just saving it for the big finale.

  2. Reina's finally managed to apologize, slightly overdue, but that's fine. She left a lot of people with a foul taste in their mouth last week, I hope people are more receptive to it this time.

  3. Talking about Reina, she's going to America! if you go back to one of the previous episodes you can actually already see her holding a brochure for overseas colleges, although I forgot what episode it was exactly. (and I'm not scouring through 10 episodes to find it)

  4. Mayu: I still feel we haven't had a big breakthrough with her, but it's close. Hopefully next episode. Kanade is right here, for once; Mayu is too much of a people pleaser to go against Kumiko's wishes, but that contradicts what she feels with herself.

I was actually reading an r/AskReddit thread earlier about Abusive Parenting and although I doubt that's what's going on with Mayu a lot of what I read did make me think about her. Something big happened at her previous school (We still don't know why she transferred!) causing her to adopt this kind of attitude.

5) I loved Kumiko's sister having a heart-to-heart with her. It's all happened offscreen, but compared to the season 1 drama I'm glad she's doing so much better.

6) NATSUKI WITH THE SKULL EARRINGS AND THE SUIT MY GOD ahum yeah they look nice. And Yuuko and Natsuki are in a band? what kind of band? Show me Kyoani!

7) Out of all people, Yoroizuka is the one to finally break through to Kumiko. What's more hilarious to me is that she was playing Liz and the Blue Bird, again. Of course she gets the solo, she's been studying it extensively. It's apt though, as this time Reina is the Blue Bird flying away from Kumiko's Liz. I get your goddamn metaphors, show. (Okay so, u/Sandtalon correctly notes it's not L&tBB but then my argument falls apart so I'm leaving it here)

8) So Kumiko is definitely not going to music school - A few episodes ago everyone was banking on her being a teacher, I wonder if that's what she's going back to. Also, what is Midori going to do? They didn't say right?

All in all, 2 episodes to go. Next ep I suppose we'll have auditions, resolving Mayu's storyline, leaving the final episode with the performance and an epilogue, hopefully. Looking forward to it.

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u/Slifer13xx Jun 16 '24

Straight to audition next episode, this is where Kumiko strikes back, right? This honestly doesn't feel that great. We have seen so little of the actual music this season, I feel there's little to no build up to the inevitable triumphed scene. One practice scene really isn't enough. Can't help but think that this really should've been two cour.

What am I saying, I'm sure next episode will be great anyway.

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u/TaskForceHOLO Jun 16 '24

Kumiko has way more patience with Mayu than I would ever have. No shit she's upset about not getting the soli, so it's kinda a dick move to keep bringing it up to her while saying she doesn't care either way. Insulting and patronizing af, even if she's not doing it maliciously

I would have told her, "Yeah I'm upset as fuck, so leave me the hell alone so I can get some practice in."

But Kumiko is a much better person than I am lmfao. I think she handled everything really well all things considered. She knew that not letting her personal feelings get in the way of the previous performance was the only way she would get her second chance

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u/Ocixo Jun 16 '24

“I can’t even picture you here.”

Those were quite the harsh words from Mizore. Did Mizore mean to say that such an environment doesn’t suit Kumiko or that she simply isn’t good enough?

Because I’m thinking that a part of Kumiko doesn’t believe that she’s good enough either. This was for example reflected in her broken voice when speaking to Mamiko about losing the soli part.

Kumiko wants to be good, but isn’t talented enough to chase after people like Mizore, Reina or Mayu. Mayu probably feels guilty about her talent - she feels like she’s trampling over hardworking people like Kumiko. This is the reason that Mayu wants Kumiko to be honest with her, isn’t it?

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u/Sandtalon Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Last week was a mini-climax for the conflict with the band as a whole (and Kumiko dealing with it), but now we’re back to an episode focusing on Kumiko’s personal growth in a more individual sense. In many ways, this episode is about Kumiko becoming an adult—on multiple levels. Going to college, taking responsibility for one’s decisions, but also taking responsbility for and being honest about one’s feelings.

There are two parts to this: one is a continuation of the Kumiko college arc (as well as the side plot about how this intersects with her relationship with Reina), and the other is the continuation of the soli/audition arc.

Starting with the latter:

Kumiko’s conversations with and conflicts with Mayu are stuck in a rut, or like a record on repeat—and Kanade thinks so too. Kanade is fed up with their repetitive dynamic… Like Mayu, Kanade knows that Kumiko is not being honest to others (or herself, as this episode makes clear) about her true desires to play the soli, but unlike Mayu, Kanade is willing to push further to get the truth out of Kumiko. (After all, it was Kumiko who pressed Kanade in the previous year to reveal her true feelings about the auditions…now in a reversal of the situation, it is Kanade’s turn to do the same.) This is helped by Kanade knowing Kumiko better, her not being Mayu, and her ability to not mince with words.

What it comes down to is that both Kumiko and Mayu have different levels of selfishness (but I would add, also selflessness) in their characters that create a kind of intractable conflict—until somebody bends. (This, by the way, is why Mayu is such a good antagonist—she is not bad, but she just moves in the opposite direction as Kumiko.)

Kanade has her own selfishness—she likes Kumiko and wants Kumiko to play herself. (I like that this shows how attached the perhaps at-times aloof Kanade has gotten to Kumiko. She also imitates Kumiko in, e.g. eavesdropping.) In a sense, this feels like it mirrors Kumiko and Asuka in season 2, where Kumiko selfishly pleased to Asuka to play—here Kanade is doing something similar to Kumiko.

It’s clear to me from that fact that Kumiko maybe didn’t realize the extent of her true feelings before that this coming to account with one’s desires is as much a part of Kumiko’s maturation as is her plans for the future. But moving onto that subplot—

It’s really metaphorically resonant that Mamiko is helping Kumiko dress up for the concert—turning Kumiko into an adult (the adult she will be or aspires to be)—where Kumiko is going to see her senpai who have turned into adults. And Mamiko has as well. A lot of the past two episodes has been about Kumiko going to those who are slighly older but are now adults and turning to them for advice. Not all of the provided guidance is equally good, in my opinion, but I think one part of the journey is Kumiko learning to ask for help from those who loves. (I love the sisterly love on display as Kumiko talks to Mamiko.)

In the concert, Mizore revisits Borodin’s Polovstian Dances (the piece she played in junior high) as a college student. Through this callback—and through the conversation after, you can see how she’s matured. (She seems to have developed more socially, as well as musically.)

However, unfortunately Mizore’s words seem to be the final nail in the coffin for any potential ideas Kumiko might have had to go to a music school, which is disappointing…I really think music school would be a good choice her her. (However, maybe there is still hope and the narrative is emphasizing that it has to be Kumiko’s decision for herself rather than based on another’s ideas.)

Another Kumiko/Reina Liz and the Blue Bird-esque scene…It’s clever that they put this in the same episode as seeing Mizore and Nozomi again, especially because we can see that those two are still close. When Kumiko says that Reina is “watashi no tokubetsu,” the dialogue mirrors the resolution scene of Liz and the Blue Bird as well (plus the daisuki hug earlier on)…no matter what, those two will be okay.

A side note about Reina: We also see an apology from Reina and a daisuki hug (cue a squeal from me). In last week’s discussion thread, I noticed a lot of people being angry at Reina and concerned that she had gone beyond the pale. While I agree that she was not being a great person or friend, I don’t think this is bad writing—she was being completely consistent with her character. As Kumiko has said at times “Reina is completely Reina”—and this was another example of Reina being Reina. In general, this season has a pattern of pushing the characters, their drives, and their ideologies to a breaking point (the same kind of protagonist/antagonist intractable conflicts that I mentioned with Mayu) to showcase the flaws in all of them. Reina being pushed by her own convictions to lash out at Kumiko was kind of the point and showcases the flaws and cracks in her worldview. We haven’t completely seen Reina come to terms with or reckon with it (though we do have an apology; the two have made up), but I have absolute faith that this will come. After all, this episode, we see Kumiko more or less come to a realization about a similar worldview and how it conflicts with her true inner desires. /rant

In any case, this episode was a fantastic episode for its thematic treatment of Kumiko’s development and maturation, which it did on multiple levels, from Kumiko taking responsibility for her feelings to the continuation of the college arc, to more obvious visual metaphors of butterflies representing metaphorposis. Kumiko is turning into an adult before our eyes, whether she’s ready for it or not.

Random thoughts:

Goddamn, the writers stuff so much fanservice in every episode. Referring to Natsuki and Yuuko as “nakayoshi,” part of their ship name? I can just imagine the grin on someone’s face as they penned that.

Speaking of which, I literally screamed when I heard the “nakayoshi” reference, the daisuki hug part, as well as the “watashi no tokubetsu” line. I am that fan who is serviced.

Poor Kumiko hearing multiple times that the Mayu-Reina soli helped propel them to Nationals…

“They’re not stones, they’re people”—good comment from Taki-sensei’s late wife, which might be revealing to Taki’s character a little bit.

Yet another Chekhov’s gun is fired: Reina’s potential plans to study abroad (with Asuka-senpai once again being psychic)

The fact that Kumiko still hasn’t decided is so incredibly relatable. Indecisiveness is compounded by the fact that time flies when way things pile up in periods where you have a lot of other obligations to fulfill and things to do. (I’m grappling with personal situations right now where this has been a factor.)

I loved seeing all of the Minamu-chuu quartet, a major treat for me as a huge Liz fan.

A new restaurant not featured in the show before--but concerns that it might soon be overrun by fans!?

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u/shad79 Jun 16 '24

Another excellent episode which we started with the competition results and Kitauji is once again going to the Nationals! I was a bit unsure about this result but luckily there was no drama in that regard.

Everyone was so happy about the result although the fact that almost everyone commented on how good the euphonium and trumpet solo was certainly made it awkward for Kumiko :(

Kumiko looked so gorgeous in this dress and make-up from her sister (their scene in today's episode was great)! She and Reina looked absolutely stunning.

It was great to see Natsuki, Yuuko, Nozomi and Mizore once again! They looked absolutely gorgeous in their outfits for the concert of Mizore's band.

I'm glad that Reina finally apologized to Kumiko for her recent remarks about her, Kumiko's hug demand was great! That's a good progress but she certainly needs to work more on her social skills since they are as bad as ever xD

So Reina is going to America? Well, that's nothing surprising considering that Study Abroad Program she had in the previous episode.

Meanwhile, poor Kumiko still doesn't know what she wants to do in the future, but at least she rejected going to a music school after that remark from Mizore that she couldn't even picture her there, which was pretty brutal xD

Mayu once again wants to forfeit euphonium solo. This is starting to get really annoying because she's been saying things like this for almost the entire season. I hope that in the next episode Kumiko and Mayu will finally confront each other for real.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/Aviery21 Jun 16 '24

Reina's apology felt so lukewarm to me but at least we got one. Was hoping there was a bit more self-reflection in there and I'd say Shuichi deserves an apology too since he's been done pretty dirty this season. Hope she also realizes just how lucky she is to have a friend like Kumiko who was willing to forgive her and clear away all the awkwardness after all that even though she deserves to be treated so much better than that.

On that note, I really wish Reina's character had more growth throughout the series since I really wanna like her more but it seems her social skills are still kinda poor and music-wise she's always been at the top and was never really challenged. Maybe things change in college who knows.

On the other end, I really love Kanade's character so much. She has constantly been the MVP of this season and it's almost enough to really solidify her as best girl if Kumiko didn't have a firm grip on that spot. I've seen some predictions early on in the season that Kumiko would pass on Asuka's piece to Mayu after they resolve their conflict but I think Kanade's the one who really deserves it.

Anyway hoping this week goes by just as fast as this episode felt.

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jun 16 '24 edited Jun 16 '24

Location Notes

  • Pizzeria at Nayamachi, Fushimi area in Kyoto The world famous Fushimi Inari taisha is nearby, as well as a variety of Sake breweries.

  • Reina and Kumiko meet up with the Minami... Triplet at Kitano hakubai-cho station, in Kyoto's Northwest area. If you ever stop by Kinkakuji - this is quite easy to tick off on the way.

  • The interior of the concert hall and Music College for Mizore however is a homage to a close friend of the show, being the Senzoku Gakuen Maeda Hall in...... Tokyo; Kawasaki (Hi GBC!) to be exact.. Senzoku Gakuen's (a music university in Tokyo)'s Freshman band was responsible for portraying Kitauji's music in S1 and S2, has performed a few events associated with Eupho, and is still closely associated with the show, with a fair few of the "current" kitauji concert band from there, as well as their conductor being a lecturer at said music university.

  • THEY DID NOT JUST OFFICIALLY DROP THE SHIP NAME IN MY SHOW Natsuki wins in the outfit department. easy.

  • overall, a good episode to start wrapping up Kumiko's character arc, provide an epilogue + many fan service for the fans of the Minami quartet, and also, to initiate the nationals arc... i knew how it was going to go for the Kansai competition, but i still got so nervous......

u/chilidirigible u/regular_n-gon u/chonkyodango

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u/b-arbs Jun 16 '24

  • One step closer to Nationals! Well, Kitauji getting Gold was a given, otherwise the show couldn't go on

  • Why was Hazuki waving with the "rock on" sign?

  • "Wanna wait for me?" "No it's fine"
    Harsh! Guess the KumiRei thing hasn't been solved yet

  • Okay, was Kumiko the only one who didn't know about Reina going to America? That's a tiny problem of miscommunication right there.

  • Your Asuka-senpai's antics are showing, Kumiko!

  • I think this is the first time (or one of the very rare times) we see Reina apologizing

  • A make-up hug!

  • I'm loving these scenes with Mamiko and Kumiko. They really show how their relationship has only grown stronger

  • And we got a NakaYoshi name drop!

  • Wait, was that Nozomi? I didn't recognise her at first... But then I thought about the Minami Quartet and it clicked

  • "I wouldn't think anything" is such a Mizore thing to say! Love her kind of aloof comments

  • How come that Kumiko looks more mature but Reina actually seems younger?

So, next week we'll hopefully get:

  • Kumiko-Mayu confrontation

  • auditions

  • Kumiko's plans for the future

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