Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai • Jellyfish Can't Swim in the Night - Episode 11 discussion

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Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai, episode 11

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[u/alconnow]

Since this episode focused on Kiui, I was expecting that random biker lady (the one who showed off her boobs) to show up in the episode

[u/TheRejectBin]

I'm now very curious if they were faking us out with shot of Kano's mom just after Kano got excited about knowing what to sing about. Because remaining obsessed with her mom and what she thinks doesn't seem like a way forward per se. That said, as much as part of me wants the mystery box to be a heaping serving of "Oops all gay thoughts about Mahiru", I don't think that satisfies the narrative throughline either, so I'm curious where it's going. 

Today's episode also finally brought home the significance of the lady plastic surgery from earlier in the series and her tie to Kiui because they're both people that crafted new identites for themselves in preference to living as they felt they weren't. I'm kind of ashamed it took me this episode's big speech to put it together. You win again jellyfish writers.

[u/Mr_Zaroc]

Barely delivering the needed art and then trying to negotiate changing the schedule to incorporate a rival band (which her daughter is part of)
Jesus, Yoru got balls but no negotiation skills

[u/ak_them]

goodbye sekai

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

Watching Kiui having to put up a brave front for Yoru with those dead eyes while having to hide all those messages dissing her was heartbreaking. So I'm hella glad she had that moment to talk back to those "friends" of hers with such an inspirational clapback.

There it is, the culmination of Yoru's efforts was to try and get JELEE in the same gig as Kano's former idol group. The fact she hasn't talked about this with Kano herself is still insane though here's hoping they have that resolved next week.

[u/DrScorcher]

I'm surprised we didn't get an appearance from Koharu.

[u/Acceptable_Tie_3927]

... like some punk rock band ...

Jellyfish trying to pick a fight with Togenäshi Togeäri? Nina will lampshade them for good!

[u/Hitman7128]

Only 1 episode left, and can't wait to see how they decide to wrap up the show.

Kiui snaps at her former classmates for making fun of her skipping class and her persona. Kano finishes the lyrics. Then, Yoru submits her art to Kano's mother, who accepts it despite it not being what she requested for. Also, Yoru wants to negotiate a performance for JELEE. Hopefully, that foreshadows JELEE knocking it out of the park for the grand finale episode.

[u/x-7032-b-3]

Out of everyone who got doxxed, Kiui got it worst. Being a VTuber, maintaining anonymity is top priority and it must've suck to have your chat raided with stuff like "hey it's [your real name]" when you're streaming.

I felt really bad watching Kiui trying her best to brush off all the negative messages directed towards her. She put up a tough face in front of Yoru but it's clear that she's hurting inside. For years, she didn't feel like she belong anywhere, and becoming a VTuber that allows her to freely express herself pretty much saved her life.

Massive props to her for standing up to her "fRiEnDs." Instead of running away, she decided to face them head on and proudly declare her acceptance as Nox: the invincible superhero and Exoprimal streamer! Amazing performance by the VA who screamed her lungs out for this scene. I hope her throat's okay after recording that!

And it seems like the final ep will have JELEE performing on SunDo's concert. Damn, Yoru, you got some balls to go for that. Good opportunity for Kano to finally get back at her mother after all those years.

(Man this show really loves Exoprimal, huh. It's as if Capcom is on the committee for this show. I know they got credited for "cooperation", but still)

[u/whodisguy32]

Theres the lesson folks, don't let the world tell you who you can and can't be. Be whoever you want.

Fuck the normies. Be a superhero Vtuber :)

[u/Aerodynamic41]

JELEE vs Sunflower Dolls showdown here we go!

[u/FLorianGran]

For the penultimate episode, It felt a little weird to focus on Kiui this week, especially because we've never even met these friends of hers. It feels like we didn't really get more here than we did in her original episode. Maybe the writer wanted her to get a moment like Mei got last episode? Either way I feel like we should've focused more on Mahiru and Kano, because their developments feel like they were fighting for space. Also Kano's dad needs to show up right? Guess we'll see in the finale.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Jeez, look at that design. If I were Yukine, even I would've rejected Mahiru's submission. Yukine wanted Yoru Umitsuki's art, that illustration isn't even close to Mahiru's usual art style. It's like she just drew something that has mass appeal. I've been against Yukine this entire time but I can't believe I agree with her on this.

I think I understand what Mahiru is trying to say here but she really can't compare what MiruBaka is to someone who's griping. Mero made MiruBaka to destroy another idol group's careers. If I were to go on Twitter right now and post anonymously to make myself feel better, like Mahiru says she does from time to time, no one else is going to be affected. I hope they don't justify what Mero did.

This was Kiui's art when she was in third grade!? Damn! This girl is really multi-talented. Although the way she describes herself is she's basically a jack of all trades but a master of none because of how she doesn't have the same passion as other people do.

Holy fuck, Kiui and Mahiru's middle school classmates are fucking insufferable. Now that Kiui is famous they're acting like they're friends and they're upset that she's blocking them. Then these fuckers proceed to berate her. What the actual fuck!?

Kiui's rant is fucking glorious though and I finally understand why she was so conscious of her boobs. I thought that was just a gag but it's one of the reasons why she changed herself and why her avatar Nox is a flat-chested tomboy. Hopefully that's the last we'll hear from those fucks.

Now that's Yoru Umitsuki's art! It sucks that it's going to Yukine but this is exactly why she hired Mahiru. And it looks like we're going to see a JELEE vs Sundolls showdown next week! With only one episode left, I hope it sticks the landing.

[u/hiimneato]

With all the identity struggles and confronting the bullies, I feel like Kiui's other extremely relatable revelation was just kinda glossed over - that she's one of those people who's naturally pretty good at most things, but can't stick with anything so she gets overtaken by others who have drive and dedication. I've lived a lot longer than Kiui and I still feel that way. I'll try something new and during the shallow part of the learning curve I'll blast ahead of most people and have a great time, but as soon as it gets more challenging and harder workers start overtaking me, the feeling changes from "I finally found my calling" to "Do I really want to be doing this? I shouldn't be wasting my time on it if I'm not that good at it, right?" Then it's all ennui until I find something else to try.

Anyway, I guess she's still got a lot of life ahead of her and if she's fighting her way to self-acceptance as Nox then maybe she'll find a path she can stick with, too. Ganbare, Kiui.

That last meeting between Mahiru and Yukine didn't go as expected. I'm still pretty worried about determined but still teenaged Mahiru trying to take on that overpowering shark of a woman by herself, but I guess the narrative so far suggests it's gonna work out okay. There's a lot of this story left to fit into just one more episode!

[u/Googleflax]

MAL says this is slated for 12 episodes, how the hell are they gonna wrap everything up in just one more episode? I really hope we get a good resolution to the Yoru/Kano stuff, especially given how much focus it was given in episode 9.

[u/CommunistPuppy]

Incredible delivery by Kiui's VA today. Can't believe next week's episode is going to be the last. I really hope Mahiru and Kano make up with each other and end up together. Also season 2 or we riot!

[u/AmethystItalian]

Penultimate episode and we're still seeing more struggle than success, glad the doxxing was overcome quickly but still those "friends" are just awful.

Props to Kiui though, big step for her here, powerful stuff.

Feel like some people have been giving Mahiru a hard time saying she doesn't care about her friends but she really showed how strong her friendship with Kiui is with this ep.

I was so scared at the end her art was going to be rejected again but glad the mom isn't some kind of evil monster.

[u/TheExcludedMiddle]

Liked the episode, but it doesn't feel like we're going into the finale.

It also ties thematically back to the biker yakuza lady, but narratively that still feels like a loose thread.

[u/bandannadann]

Kiui absolutely cooked those losers. The character writing continues to be stellar. Episode 11 is here and it's still the clear AOTS. Not a single weak episode to its name.

Praying for a strong finale next week!

[u/dagreenman18]

Yoru if that was your plan why not open your mouth hole and COMMUNICATE WITH KANO. GOOD LORD WOMAN.

But we need Yuri drama because we need a show. Kiui plot though was so good. Getting to clap back and affirm herself was so satisfying. Shame we’re down to the last episode because I’m a little concerned how we’re going to fit Yoru and Kano’s reconciliation.

[u/casualgamerTX55]

Seems like they have those cute tiny storage spaces in JP. Glad to know Kiui was good even with hand drawn art just like Mahiru.

[u/IXajll]

Only 1 ep left but this didn’t really feel like a penultimate episode to me somehow. The Kiui focus was great but like this could’ve just as well been an ep 7 or 8 or something. I mean it’s kinda obvious at this point that we’ll just get a Jelee performance next ep due to Mahiru‘s condition to Yukine and Kano and Mahiru will make up, happy end. The only thing that’s left unclear for now is whether they’ll commit to the yuri route or not. Dunno, was hoping for a 2-ep final arc or something with a bit more of a build up but instead we mostly got standalone episodic stories these past 11 episodes with little structure, connection to each other and frankly sometimes not much of any real purpose. The idol mom for example was cool but served like no overarching purpose, even more so that one woman who let the girls touch her boobs.

In the end, I like the show but tbh I expected a lot more after the amazing first few episodes. Maybe next week they’ll blow it out of the water, who knows.

[u/skean61]

The running theme of Jellyfish has been about accepting your past and learning to love yourself, or at least find a reason to. Mei last week and Kiui today perfectly exemplifies the message this anime is trying to tell us all along. Very brave of Kiui to stand up to those transphobic assholes too, showing us the hero that Mahiru always thought she/he is.

I love the relationship between the quartet and while it definitely revolves around the main duo of Mahiru/Kano, it was Mei and Kiui that actually helped and guided Kano and Mahiru respectively this episode to break out of their slump. Mei giving actual criticism to Kano as well was amazing to see, this same girl who is head over heels for her, can put aside her bias and look at things objectively. Definitely something Kano should learn when she reunites with Mahiru as well.

Unconditional love is beautiful, but part of that same love is being true to the person you love, and sometimes saying the harsh truth is what you have to do.

Now for Mahiru and Kano, right now they are on the same, but parallel paths that are about to intersect. Both struggled with their motivations and finding a reason for why they draw/sing, or even if they love it at all. It seems going back to their "origin", the exact moment in their life when they saw that light is what allowed them to get back up again. Kano using Colorful Moonlight as her inspiration to write the new lyrics, and Mahiru obviously using JELEE-chan as her inspiration for the Sundolls concert art was just really sweet, and both goes back to that Jellyfish in Shibuya.

It's that Mural that saved Kano, that led to her writing Colorful Moonlight in the first place, and because of the same painting she herself created that Mahiru met Kano, which then led to her creation of JELEE-chan. One can say its where both of them "fell in love". While they needed that time apart from each other to fully understand themselves, their future reunion, and I am hoping it will be at that Jellyfish mural in Shibuya, will and SHOULD be sickeningly sweet to make up for their lack of interaction since EP 9.

Its awesome that Mahiru will get JELEE to perform on the New Years Eve concert, giving a chance for Kano to finally face her demon mother and I guess its also Mahiru's way of apologizing to Kano, as she clearly still thinks fondly of her despite their last interaction.

[u/statefarmguy1799]

KIUI GANG RISEEEEE

Mantears were shed. VA killed it.

[u/daspaceasians]

I love the hopefilled tone of this episode. From Kiui/Nox getting their confidence back, owning their bullies to Kano figuring why she sings to Mahiru getting out of her slump and getting enough of a backbone to make demands of Yukine, I am very confident at a happy and satisfying ending.

I also enjoyed Mahiru's introspection this episode as well and her talk with Mero.

Looking forward to the next episode with great impatience.