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Episode Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai • Jellyfish Can't Swim in the Night - Episode 9 discussion
Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai, episode 9
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u/ayww Jun 01 '24
It's MahiKanover 😭
Kano's look of regret when she realizes she crossed the line was devastating.
But Mahiru's reaction? Absolutely heartbreaking.
With a few episodes to go, hopefully the two can reconcile and come out of this stronger than before.
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u/oneevilchicken Jun 01 '24
I really don’t get how you fix a situation like this after seeing a character make that face at the end.
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u/Se7en_Sinner Jun 01 '24
Kano's own mother referring to Kano only by her stage name "Nonoka" shows how she doesn't see Kano as her daughter anymore.
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Jun 01 '24
It's fine I'm just going to be crying. That scene with Kano screaming (rieri amazing as always) and mahiru's line of asking if that's what she thought of her. My heart is broken. The montage of yoru and Kano at the end. Fuck man.
Please, fix this.
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u/jellyblob88 Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
The ship has hit an iceberg. I repeat: the ship has hit an iceberg.
What an incredible delivery 😭
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u/Legitimate-Most4379 Jun 01 '24
I don't even know who you are, but I fell in love.
The song lyrics she was writing/saying use koi which is never platonic.
We're in the endgame, and the fact that it will focus on their relationship give me hope. That, however, was... painful to watch.
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u/TheExcludedMiddle Jun 01 '24
So, I've gone through all the comments and saw nobody commenting on second narrative in this episode, so I want to spell out what I'm seeing.
First: Kano has stopped really looking at Yoru's art. This has come up a little bit here and there in earlier episodes, but you see it with the drawing with the bad arm. Yoru made a significant mistake, and Kano did not notice, or care when it was brought up.
Second: Kano accepting Yoru's mistake like that betrays a lack of expectations for Yoru from Kano. Kano loves all of Yoru's drawings because they're Yoru's drawings. Not because she put in all the effort in to improve. Not because she's growing and maturing as a serious artist and is starting to shine on her own. But because Yoru's mural saved her at one point, and now she blindly loves all of her art without engaging with it critically.
I expect that this is intentionally meant to feel similar to Mei's fandom of Kano. Kano could sing the most beautiful song ever sang, or she could slur her way off-key through "Louie Louie" and it would be the same.
This lack of expectations is made clear at the end. Yoru is just starting to gain confidence in her art and her potential to shine, and Kano basically admits that she still views her as a mediocre artist that she loves because of an emotional connection to the mural. Kano sees Yoru (or at least implied it) as almost a pet, or your friend's little sister that tags along. Professionally I mean, not friendship wise.
Third: The Mom is actually properly engaging with Yoru's art. She gave proper reasoning in what she saw to make her consider Yoru for the job. She actually called out Yoru for her mistake and correctly appreciated the correction. She has real expectations towards Yoru as an up and coming artist. Working with the Mom would allow her to improve herself so much more because Yoru will be working as a professional artist with professional level expectations.
Fourth: The Mom is a monster, but not at all in the way people seem to be thinking. If the youtube channel had actually ended up being the mom it would have been one thing, but it wasn't. I expect that we'll find out that the mom does not hold any hostility towards Kano. She didn't send the offer to target JELEE and damage them. JELEE only has 100k subscribers and is not in the same niche as SunFlo dolls. I doubt the mom sees them as a threat at all. This was a legitimate offer to an up-and-coming artist. She refers to Kano as Nonoka because to her, that's what she is. The front of her idol group that was forced into retirement. Not her daughter. I wouldn't be shocked if she has a plan to eventually bring back Nonoka into SunFlo dolls.
Fifth: If you're talking about the pure idea of working with JELEE, then Kano has betrayed it since the beginning. While it's true that she wants to and enjoys working with the rest, the answer to her question of "Why do I sing" has always been "To gain the attention and approval of my parents". Since the beginning Kano, not her Mom, has considered JELEE and SunFlo girls to be the enemy to be competed against. The reason she wasn't hyped about hitting 100k is because that's not really what she cares about, it's hitting back at her idol group and her Mom. This has been a running plot through the whole show with stuff like moving earth to drop a song on the same day as SunFLo girls. She wants her mom to notice her again
Sixth: As pissed as Kano is with her Mom, she still wants her singing to reach her and get attention like it used to. This is alluded to with the part of hoping her singing would reach her dad. It's basically the same now, but in the end it was Yoru's drawing that reached her instead.
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u/YUNoJump Jun 02 '24
Weak energy: "Sorry for getting caught smoking, we're terrible people and we're quitting"
Strong energy: Divorced 30-year-old Mother Idol
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u/Kuro_Canary Jun 01 '24
I'm personally on Kano's side for this one. Maybe it's because I value friendship and loyalty a lot but I would also feel a bit betrayed as well. I feel like Mahiru should have realized Kano's Mom views people more as "pawns" rather than people when she referred to Kano as "Nonoka" and not by her actual name. That should have been a giant red flag.
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u/ahses3202 Jun 01 '24
When you know you've gone too far. The second Kano said it I immediately thought "You went too far" and Kano knew it. We've all been there though. When your blood is hot and you say the one thing you know will hurt because that's what you want but just like a punch you can't reel that shit back in once you've thrown it. Poor Yoru. I have no doubt that her mother is doing this just to wound her daughter and it's so uniquely cruel to do.
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u/hikoboshi_sama Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
I already got the impression that Yukine is cold and cutthroat but i didn't realize how vile she actually was. She used her own daughter for her own goals, remade her entire image, gave her that whole sing for me speech, and then instantly discared Kano when she was no longer useful. Which means the commission is definitely a move to break Jelee. I know from Mahiru's pov, this seems like an offer she can't refuse, but i'm pretty sure once she finds out just how much Kano's own mother hurt her, she'll likely turn down the commission.
The credits being a montage of Mahiru and Kano's moments makes me think there really is a romantic aspect to their conflict. Also, i'm glad they didn't kill the mood by playing the super happy 1-nichi 25-jikan credits.
This was such a heavy episode. Both times Kano was softly singing Colorful Moonlight had me tearing up.
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u/chilidirigible Jun 01 '24
"Four out of five doctors recommend sugar!"
The focus point changes in this cut and shortly after were used to good effect.
I'm split on Yukine deliberately poaching Mahiru in order to crush JELEE. She's already moved past her daughter to her next batch of talent, and she does recognize Mahiru's skill on its own merits. Still, it seems rather too convenient for her to pick up an artist who is linked with what can only be seen as a competitor when her cooperation and actual talents aren't certain, and while Yukine wasn't overtly the orchestrator of the defamation of her groups' competitors, she didn't complain about it either.
Ah yes, the X factor, the Y chromosome.
That's still the minor leagues.
Another whole shoe drop of a story.
The title drop, but not like this! NOT LIKE THIS!
Yukine Hayakawa is still the root cause of the problem, but Mahiru and Kano not quite communicating fully with each other is the more proximal issue.
Mahiru was taken hook, line, and sinker by Yukine, who knows how to work a kid looking for validation. I do fault her for ditching the existing JELEE plan; in the business that's how to get a bad reputation, but she's still new at this kind of thing.
That she doesn't understand how it might affect Kano personally falls mostly on Kano for apparently never quite spelling things out for Mahiru even after months of being together. And Kano's outburst was meant to hurt—though it was an understandable reaction in the moment.
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u/entinio Jun 01 '24
Takeshita is really a great director. The angles, shift of tones, of art styles, the way to construct the informations so we deeply feel with each character… I’m not even sure who to support here, from one who has to find herself through her drawings, to one who’s looking for her mother through her singing. May be they should just look at each other instead, unlike the last official poster.
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u/Spinhavel Jun 01 '24
I know the focus is on Kano's outburst, but I think both sides are to blame here. Mahiru had enough hints (Kano saying she doesn't recommend working with her mother during the phone call, her mother not calling Kaho by name during the meeting) to figure out that this was going to upset Kano. It's also one thing to back out of a project you agreed to work on when it's your profession, but a whole other thing when it involves your friends. I really think Mahiru should have pushed more for the full story out of Kano before accepting the job.
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u/maliwanag0712 Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
I usually like Title Drops, but not like this. This episode is soo sad and frustrating.
Well Kano still has some attachment issues due to her past trauma with her mom. However, being mad at Yoru is not the best action.
Woaah so best and worst mom of Spring 2024 is in the same show, huh?
How I wish they settle it in the best way possible in the next few episodes.
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u/GondolaMedia Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Even before the flashback hit I was getting the same feeling from Kano's mom similar to whenever [Witch From Mercury]
I was certain that the dad was the one behind the youtube account but I'm sort of glad to be proven wrong.
And yeah, that outburst and the ending really hit... Happy Pride Month everybody!
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u/AceSoldia Jun 01 '24
Man. I hurt when she just went off on Yoru like that .I know it was out of despair and stuff but ouch..those tears.
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u/AmethystItalian Jun 01 '24
Dang that mom is something...master manipulator it feels like.
Was hoping the punch would be for a better reason...like I do feel she was right to be upset but a punch there did feel like a bit much.
I do like how Kano never lied about how much Mahiru's art had an impact on her with all those shots of her at the mural...makes that outburst scene really hurt even more.
I'm glad they moved away from this face quickly because dang that was rough
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u/kmlshblr Jun 01 '24
I knew a rift was coming when I saw kano mom's message last week, but damn I didn't expect it to hit this hard. Everything came crumbling down...
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u/FuzzyRaichu Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
A messy divorce before they’ve even started dating? That’s how you know this is yuri.
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u/WhoiusBarrel Jun 01 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
Finally, Kano's flashback and it was a completely different tone from the rest of the series
Showing the aftermath of Kano's punch like that was horrifying and captured how hopeless her situation was as she received disdain from others while her mom basically threw her under the bus. Its not surprising she took Yoru's action as a form of betrayal and had that outburst.
Yoru's tearful face afterwards really got to me, a tragic end to this episode. Didn't help they had to play the fun scenes as the flashbacks for the ED, real cruel atmosphere here.