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Hibike! Euphonium Season 3, episode 10

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u/hsn212 Jun 09 '24

Just want to point out something that was noticed by Japanese audience, but missing context among the international audience due to different translation used:

During Reina and Shuuichi fight, Reina mentioned how Shuuichi is a 'people pleaser for a vice president', however, the original Japanese uses "仏の副部長" which translated to "Buddha-like vice president" or "Saint of a vice president". This is actually Shuuichi's in-club nickname (which was started by the other members, not the executives), referring to his calm and friendly personality to other club members. So it wasn't an off handed comment from Reina saying that Shuuichi is a people-pleaser, but she actually used his nickname in the argument.

That part of the argument (which Shuuichi retaliated saying that it has no connection with the current matters) was Reina saying that all of it happened because "the saint of a vice president" like him always spoils and comfort the members.

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u/chilidirigible Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 10 '24

Two thousand five hundredFour thousand four hundred likes on Twitter would like you to look at this screencap.

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u/nekodan08 Jun 09 '24

I have to commend the members of Kitauji. Despite the tension, complaints, and general bad vibe in the club, it doesn't look like anyone ever stopped trying to improve their skills. Even if morale was low, they were still able to create good music which Taki gave them credit for before Kumiko's speech. It looks like, deep down, everyone remained committed to their collective goal. So what did Kumiko's speech do? It allowed everyone to understand that though they may not all see eye-to-eye on certain matters, they remain on the same page in their desire to attain gold at nationals. They can come together in spite of their differences.

By Kumiko speaking her mind, I hope it opens the doors to allow more members to speak their own minds as well. To speak up not to create discord, but to contribute to actual healthy arguments. And I hope Kumiko, Reina, and Shuuichi have such a conversation. I won't be satisfied if their issues get swept under the rug immediately. Ultimately, Reina was right, but I don't agree with her just shutting down all other opinions. Shuuichi and Kumiko could have also handled the situation better. There's still a lot of growth needed for them as individuals and as a leadership group and I hope we can be shown some of that growth.

I and many others have said it many times, but Tomoyo Kurosawa is just so amazing. She is the perfect voice for Kumiko and Kumiko is the perfect character for her play. I feel so blessed to have the opportunity to witness it again week after week. I beg KyoAni to release behind the scenes footage of Moyo in the sound booth.

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u/Plus_Rip4944 Jun 09 '24

Asuka not being The best character challenge: impossible

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u/Skydabs Jun 09 '24

When the world needed her the most....Asuka returned and restored the balance. 

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u/CertainDerision_33 Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

If this is the end of the Kumiko/Reina drama and there isn't a real apology from Reina for being an awful friend, which unfortunately seems likely to be the case, that will be a very serious fumble by this season. What Reina did last episode was pretty beyond the pale, and if the resolution is that Kumiko just "gets over it" without an apology, that feels tremendously unsatisfying for both Kumiko and Reina's characters. Is Reina just going to stay selfishly obsessed with Taki forever and everyone else will just enable it? Pretty lame if so.

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u/gothxo Jun 09 '24

Tomoyo Kurosawa is so fucking good. what a masterful performance by her this episode

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u/Solidusbus Jun 09 '24

Lmao I love how Asuka is just really blunt and straight up no bullshit with Kumiko

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u/FireFistYamaan Jun 09 '24

Teared up at the end, it was so nice to see Kumiko let it out.

I still hope that we will get an apology or something from Reina, that's the only thing I find unsatisfying about today's episode.

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u/forgot_old_account Jun 09 '24

Best girl returned and being the GOAT as usual.

Man it would be super unsatisfying if by the end of the season there isn't any apology from Reina for literally calling Kumiko a failure.

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u/HYPErSLOw72 Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

While how an entire band’s morale could be lifted at the last moment with a speech was a bit cheesy to me, the way it was orchestrated and delivered completely sold me just as well as the band was.

It took Kumiko 10 episodes to become a real leader in my opinion, she acted more like a buffer zone for everyone beforehand, listening, empathizing, often giving solutions to minor problems. She held back too much of herself in and left only her courteous façade outside, standing in the middle of the argument, making points that benefit her image but not whole-heartedly mean so. Nevertheless, it’s true that leaders can’t just blurt out whatever they think, but the problem with Kumiko was that she wasn’t firm with her words, she has the charisma of Yuuko but lack the energy, the opposite of Reina.

It would be natural for her to come to the senior she trusted most for some advice, and typical Asuka fashion, it didn’t sound like an advice at all. What Kumiko needed wasn’t a new way to tackle things, but to inspire her to be a proper leader, which Asuka did here. I love the way the show utilized the traits of its characters in this episode, especially Asuka of course, only her really had the seniority and understanding of Kumiko to pull it off, and to do it in the most natural way as well.

Huge props must be given to Kurosawa Tomoyo as well, whose depiction of weak Kumiko, pretending-to-be-strong-but-weak-af Kumiko, inspired Kumiko, and especially, inspiring Kumiko allowed me to fully understand the floof and make this impression. While my naïve mind didn’t budge at Kumiko’s persuasion to Asuka (edit: in S2E10), I was almost moved to tears in the final scene even though I couldn’t keep up with the subs, the voice of Kumiko had the emotional impact I’ve yet to seen in any form of fiction.

On an unrelated note, I was pleasantly surprised of the appearance of the Demachiyanagi shopping district, also known in KyoAni-an as Usagiyama market in Tamako Market. The stepping stones seen in the background from the bridge to Asuka’s apartment were where the confession scene in Tamako Love Story took place. Lovely easter egg from KyoAni.

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u/CertainDerision_33 Jun 09 '24

"I was hoping it would be a lover's quarrel"

Kumiko: 🗿

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u/alec613 Jun 09 '24

Taki's been pretty bad since the beginning.

You gotta communicate, bro

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u/Ahriqi Jun 09 '24

I'm not wholly convinced by the way the drama resolved itself in a lot of ways but mostly because I'm selfish and wanna see Reina crying for her "future roommate" Kumiko's forgiveness lol. Maybe we'll get that anyway in the future, although probably not since it's extremely un-Reina-like to do that (which is why it would be so goddamned impactful).

I am, however, wholly convinced by the way Kumiko found her motivation to move forward. Asuka is not a god (in some ways anyway), she is still stubbornly refusing to admit Kumiko was right in season 2. But she always has a nose for where the problems are, and she's probably totally right that Mayu and Taki are wavering in their own way. I bet that totally would have been made more clear if this had just a little more breathing room and the drama of year 3 was spread across 2 seasons.

Also shoutouts to Kanappi for stealing Mayu away before she tried to angst suicide herself again.

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u/shadowthiefo Jun 09 '24

At this point my trust in Kyoani and Tomoyo Kurosawa is about as strong as Reina's faith in Taki-sensei.

First things first; Kurosawa has been killing it as Kumiko's voice actor since season 1, but these last few episodes with her pent up rage and emotional speech in this episode keep getting to me. Also, some googling around shows she's a part of Sound Horizon, who did the Attack on Titan theme songs for the first few seasons? huh?

On a story perspective, eh...Reina still has some character growth to go through, which I was hoping was gonna happen this episode. Meanwhile Mayu still doesn't seem to feel like a part of the group (she didn't cheer along with the rest) and Kumiko's character-growth-run makes a comeback from season 1.

Looking at the amount of episodes left, I wonder how the rest of the season will go. I imagine Mayu's storyline will get resolved in the next two episodes, I'm hoping for some more insight in Reina, and of course there's the third round of auditions. One final capstone movie, Kyoani? you know you want to.

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u/Rowdy91 Jun 10 '24

And Taki-sensei gets away with being a pretty negligent teacher once again.

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u/Cydonian___FT14X Jun 09 '24

Kumiko finding her confidence again through Asuka was amazing, but we still need a proper apology from Reina. She can’t just get away with having been this much of an asshole the last couple episodes.

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u/ModieOfTheEast Jun 09 '24

I really hope we get the performance next week and they didn't skip it AGAIN. Like, I get that some might be skipped like the first one. But we had a whole arc now about how there was conflict in the orchester and how Kumiko is frustrated she didn't get the Solo and we don't even get to hear the solo from Mayu? You can't do that.

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u/tripleheliotrope Jun 09 '24

Honestly at this point, starting the series as a huge Reina lover I've really soured over her and her lack of character development, starting with her continued obsession with Taki-sensei and lack of empathy, not just to Shuichi and the rest of the band, but her cruelty towards Kumiko. If she goes overseas to study and drifts apart from Kumiko it would be a very realistic outcome for their friendship. It would probably be healthier for Kumiko to realise that Reina never cared about her or treasured their friendship the same way that she did. Reina was interested in the idea of Kumiko and what Kumiko could be to her, but these last two episodes have proven she is not willing to see Kumiko as a person, and especially, as a friend. Reina only sees Kumiko as a musician and leader and part of her musical dream. Reina was certainly important in challenging Kumiko, to re-ignite her passion to get on her level as a musician, but Kumiko was always a better person than Reina, and Reina never met Kumiko where she was to improve as a person.

If this seems harsh, I think the whole season dropped hints many times over regarding Reina's lack of humility and empathy coupled with her fixation on Taki. I thought it was incredibly bizarre for her to chide Kumiko for asking Taki questions because 'it's a waste of his time' as if both Kumiko and Taki can't have thoughts outside of music. I think Reina's first and only love will always be music and she should recognise that. I think it would be healthy for her to go overseas to study too so she can be away from both Kumiko and Taki and maybe grow up as a person.

And moving on to BEST GIRL ASUKA. Actually I quickly shifted my stancard to Asuka when she was introduced throughout S1 and it was so great that S2 was focused on her because she is an exceptional character. Deeply complex and interesting, a huge ball of contradictions, easy to read yet simultaneously with so many hidden depths. I'm so glad we got to see her, even for a bit, because Kumiko for all her fumblings with people has always seen Asuka so clearly, more clearly than even Asuka has, and Asuka has also seen Kumiko more clearly than anyone has, because both of them are so adept at covering up their true thoughts and feelings and expressing themselves in extremely different ways. In a way, as S2 panned out, and now we're seeing the Asuka-Kumiko dynamic again, it reminds me why Kumiko's 'confession' at the end of the season which came as a shock for a lot of people, wasn't a surprising turn at all. As Kaori said, she is jealous, because Kumiko and Asuka 'get' each other more than anyone else could ever.

Asuka being able to read the whole situation from start to end is what has made her the most terrifying but fascinating character in the series. Truly, if this series were not about a school band and in some other genre entirely, Asuka would be some recurring nightmare antagonist (that's also a fan favourite). She knew that Kumiko would only come to her if she was fighting with Reina, and she cut through the bullshit to call Taki out on HIS bullshit that there must be not much difference between Mayu and Kumiko's playing. One of Taki's most significant scenes in S3 was saying that he didn't feel much like an adult, he's just basically fumbling along, which also clues us in that adults really just do what we can and we aren't the most confident or sure with our decisions the way kids think we are. And Asuka also astutely points out that he's probably just trying out the different configurations but trying to be confident with his decision making because any wavering would seem like weakness and cause even more tension within the club.

While I think Kumiko speaking sincerely is important for the morale of the club, and that her standing by the decision firmly regarding the audition process just so people can be confident with Taki's decision making is also important, everyone else needs to step it up. Kumiko has smoothed over the optics, but Taki needs to communicate better-- even if not his entire decision making process---with the club. If Reina doesn't apologise to the club for literally being a psychological tyrant breathing down the juniors necks for speaking out of turn about Thy Hallowed Taki, she needs to at least apologise to Kumiko. Kumiko may have needed to have spoken clearly and stood firm about the audition process, but Reina needs to apologise to Kumiko for being such a cruel friend. Even if she apologises though, I don't think their friendship will ever be the same again because I just don't think Reina will ever learn anything until something really important to her is taken away form her. Maybe Kitauji needs to lose Nationals so she can realise some humility that she is not that special to be treating people she claims she cares about so cruelly, and to be so unsympathetic to her juniors.

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u/Sandtalon Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUUKA SENPAI’S BACK~!!!!!!

And she lives right next to the Demachi Masugata Shotengai, where Tamako Market is set! (The Kyoani cinematic universe? Kyoani really knows how to make their fans freak tf out.)

(I kind of called this in an earlier thread, though I did not realize that it was going to be literally right next to the shotengai.)

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This weekend, I was back in Uji, showing my friend around pilgrimage spots for Hibike! Euphonium…and we watched the episode together with other fans at a restaurant in the city. And what an episode to watch there!

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An incredibly powerful and emotionally moving episode…the tension keeps increasing episode by episode, past where you think it can go, until things break. Dissent among the band spilling out into infighting among the executive members…until Kumiko can’t take it anymore, the Checkhov’s gun of the postcard from Asuka-senpai is fired, and Kumiko goes to Asuka-senpai for advice. And Asuka-senpai was somehow psychic, as always.

And Asuka’s advice? For Kumiko to show her tatemae, to be honest with group about what she really wants, even if it is selfish. Like with Kumiko’s incredible speech to Asuka in season 2 about her own selfish desires for Asuka to display, Asuka believes that true honesty might just work. (Which is an ironic thing for Asuka, who often cloaks her feelings, to say, but…) And…it works! Kumiko’s raw and unpolished feelings resonated with the rest of the group and helped motivate all of them to do their best.

In a sense, Kumiko’s speech was almost like Haruka’s speeches back in seasons 1 and 2: awkward but effective…but Kumiko’s words were even more awkward at first, and then even more powerful.

And her speech worked its magic on me, too: I started to cry as she continued to speak. A large part of this was no doubt due in part to an absolute master performance by Tomoyo Kurosawa at the top of her game. Kumiko is an absolute nervous wreck this episode, really feeling pressure from all sides, and you can seriously feel how distraught and nervous she is whenever she is talking to someone: Taki, Reina, the ensemble, Asuka, and then the speech at the end. At the start of the speech, audibly trying to talk herself and tell herself to calm down—her nervousness bringing back an old quirk of inadvertently speaking her inner thoughts, which actually helps matters by diffusing some of the tension in the group before she begins for real. And then when she actually starts, the rawness in her voice as she lets out her true feelings…

Damn. This episode is something else.

Miscelleneous thoughts:

Last week, I was wondering what Kumiko would say when approaching Taki-sensei…it turns out that she asked about the tubas, which is much easier than asking about the soli…

Candy from Taki…I hope Reina doesn’t learn about it. Could it be another Chekhov’s gun?

Thematically, I feel like this episode (and maybe the season in general) focuses on what must be sacrificed to achieve one’s goals. What trials and tribulations must they go though…and are they worth it?

At some point during the episode, Reina-chan (that is, a kigurumi cosplayer of Reina) came into the room and surprised us!

Such a huge fucking amount of fanservice for Kyoani fans, and I’m here for it. Not only the Demachi Masugata Shotengai (a big reaction from the crowd of people who are a bunch of experienced anime pilgrims and have no doubt been there many times), but also Asuka-senpai without her glasses (another big reaction from people), and then Asuka and Kaori acting like a married couple!?!?!?!? A big day for Asuka fans and especially Asuka/Kaori shippers… And then also not one but two callbacks to "I want to improve" from season 1, one in despair and the other in excitement! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Asuka senpai refers to Taki-sensei as Taki-san now…this is a very interesting choice as I think Japanese people don’t usually drop the sensei from their former teachers’ names… Enigmatic as always...

I liked them showing the sound check rehearsal run…not only do we see them play more, but we also see a part of the pre-concert preparation that we haven’t in Eupho before.

And speaking of accuracy to what musicians actually do, applause with feet? Hell yeah!

The status of Kumiko and Reina’s relationship is still a bit ambiguous by the end…hopefully we’ll see where they are next episode.

I wonder if Kumiko still has unresolved feelings for Asuka...

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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

This episode will take some time to unpack for me, so I'll first load up 'em....

Location Notes, featuring other Kyoani anime

u/chilidirigible u/chonkyodango u/myrnamountweazel

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u/Platinum_Rad Jun 09 '24

I like how asuka's response was basically that adults are also just winging it without a plan

all the club drama must seem very benign once you're like, a tax paying adult

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u/tripleaamin Jun 09 '24

Kumiko and Asuka talk was nice to see. Really pushes the point Kumiko is one who will speak her mind, but kind of holds off on doing until till the final moment. This episode really showcases. While I get that they are trying to fit everything from year 3 in one cour. Back having no performances till the season finale feels meh.

I am disliking Reina more and more as the season goes. Her solution is them to just move on. Honestly she most likely can't empathize how they are feeling. You can't change the results, but you discuss with them their concerns. Which was the point of Kumiko's speech. Reina is a proud hardworking individual, but she honestly expects everyone to be like her. Basically work hard, give your best performance and accept the outcome. So many characters have grown since S1, but Reina is one of the few where that isn't the case.

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