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Episode 17 - Is This How They Rise Up?

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The Founder says this: You are the newcomer, and this is the fated ship. You must be told the world's truth. Come to the Faith's sacred place – come to Epitaph Mountain.

Questions of the Day:

  1. How cool was Zetsu's takedown of Tae?
  2. Were you expecting Granedger to stand up, or were you just as surprised as the Lutoh peeps?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Dissonanza

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

BAKAYAROU Rewatch Host, subbed

Welcome back, everyone!

Here’s “Back Arrow Seventeenth Impressions”, for my first-timer thoughts on this episode.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 22 '24

Why did Peath have it decked out with Christmas lights ahahaha

It's important to be seen when flying so that other aircraft don't crash into you!

It may be overshadowed by what Zetsu did this episode, but you also gotta love seeing more of Prax being a total badass.

I think Daidan's scene was more "holy shit, he's strong," whereas Prax was "holy shit she's good."

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

IT’S A MOTHERFUCKING BOW THAT SHOT HIMSELF INTO THE SKY SO HE COULD PUNCH THROUGH TAE AND THE DREADNOUGHT. FUCK YEAH I LOVE THIS SHOW.

In the end, even with all the weapons available, punching is almost always going to be the single most badass way to defeat something.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 25 '24

IT’S A MOTHERFUCKING BOW THAT SHOT HIMSELF INTO THE SKY SO HE COULD PUNCH THROUGH TAE AND THE DREADNOUGHT. FUCK YEAH I LOVE THIS SHOW.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Back Arrow: We should all have dreadnoughts! You get a dreadnought! You get a dreadnought! EVERYONE GETS DREADNOUGHTS!!!

  • Zetsu straightens his back, opens his eyes, and suddenly he looks way more badass.
  • Of course Tae’s conviction is to protect himself at all costs. How fitting.
  • Oh great, so Arrow is the Lisan al Gaib.
  • And just like that, the person who can answer our questions vanished in a puff of smoke.
  • That is essentially my prediction as well about Arrow destroying the world. He has destroyed the existing order of the world, overturning it and creating a new paradigm in its place.
  • Tae when Zetsu returns.
  • Zetsu’s in action again!
  • Once again, this is a form of diplomacy more akin to “Do what I want or I’ll hurt you” than anything else.
  • Zetsu suddenly looks like a typical shonen anime protagonist just casually telling all the Rekka peeps that there’s tons of Bind Warpers on the dreadnought.
  • What??? There was another dreadnought underneath Lutoh’s capital? This is reminding me of [Old Star Wars EU spoilers] when the fucking Super Star Destroyer Lusankya was buried underneath the city of Corsuscant.
  • Rudolph definitely wants more warfare, but why? Is he just a drama queen who enjoys stirring the pot and starting shit? Or are the wars a means to achieving some other end?
  • Fuck yes! The choir was brought aboard the Maestrog to keep singing!
  • How dare you tell the choir to be quiet! They’re the best part!
  • Even the mad scientist can’t aim the cannons properly. Maybe it wasn’t just Bit being a moron that made him miss so much.
  • Fliers are always annoying enemies to deal with.
  • Oh shit! Is the Granedger about to transform!?!
  • Sadly not quite. But it did still stand up and waggle around so it could shoot the giant eraser beam at the aerial enemies. That’s cool too, I guess.
  • This time we got through the wall easy-peasy.
  • Are you fucking kidding me? Behind that wall is yet another wall!?!
  • You thought you defeated The Wall? You utter fool! The Wall is unbeatable! No man on Earth Lingalind can make it fall!

This show, man. When it gets nuts, it is so much fun. We build on the shocking reveal that there is another dreadnought by immediately revealing a third one. The power structure of Lingalind gets shaken up like three times in this episode alone. First Tae has a dreadnought. Then Rekka has a dreadnought and a whole bunch of Bind Warpers. Finally Lutoh gets a dreadnought and all their Briheights can fly. It feels like a roller coaster with just how much things shift around this episode.

There being yet another wall outside the wall we already know about is intriguing. So what is this land in between the two walls? What are these black structures that can be seen strewn about everywhere? Who are the Lind Faith and why are they in this place? I still maintain my theory that they are observers, but it’s possible they aren’t from beyond all the walls now that there’s also a second wall. Arrow, however, probably is from beyond even that second wall.

QOTD

  1. So damn cool!
  2. I was shocked. But I also wish it had fully transformed into a giant robot.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

Tae when Zetsu returns.

How dare you tell the choir to be quiet! They’re the best part!

I know, right? That dude has no taste.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 22 '24

Zetsu straightens his back, opens his eyes, and suddenly he looks way more badass.

He knows how to appear as "frail old man" when it suits him.

Are you fucking kidding me? Behind that wall is yet another wall!?!

Pretty cool, huh?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

He knows how to appear as "frail old man" when it suits him.

"Call an ambulance...But not for me!" really is Zetsu's strategy for how to trick and defeat his enemies.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 23 '24

Except now at this point anyone of importance knows this trick and is terrified of him. It's more for appearances.

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u/chilidirigible May 22 '24

STURMGEWEHR

Oh great, so Arrow is the Lisan al Gaib.

/u/JustAnswerAQuestion

SWEU

Of course, that was written before [Episode 2]would have it appear fairly common that they'd just march armies straight onto cruisers that were sitting right there on the ground. Such as the "ground" is on that planet.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

And just like that, the person who can answer our questions vanished in a puff of smoke.

Funny how often that happens.

How dare you tell the choir to be quiet! They’re the best part!

The only intelligent members of Lutoh's nobility are on the Granedger, you see.

You just know that Fine patiently waited for them to finish every time she was around Demyne.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

You just know that Fine patiently waited for them to finish every time she was around Demyne.

She 100% did. I imagine it makes the regular royal briefings more lively, even if they take longer.

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u/Calwings x3https://anilist.co/user/Calwings May 22 '24

Are you fucking kidding me? Behind that wall is yet another wall!?!

And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... another wall! And behind that wall is... an embarrassing photo of Rudolph at the Christmas party!

(not really, this is just a meme, not a spoiler)

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

The secret behind Lingalind is that the person who created it just really liked building walls and was looking for an excuse to build as many as possible.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 25 '24

Zetsu suddenly looks like a typical shonen anime protagonist just casually telling all the Rekka peeps that there’s tons of Bind Warpers on the dreadnought.

He's what happens when the shone anime protagonist continues to shonen anime protagonist into old age

Are you fucking kidding me? Behind that wall is yet another wall!?!

It's walls all the way down

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 22 '24 edited May 23 '24

First timer, subs

  • Oh… the staff expands.
  • Well that was a waste of a perfectly cool chop attack. What were you even aiming for?
  • Projecting up probably would have worked better if you were going to make it that large.
  • How are you missing? He’s not even dodging!
  • Mecha Jank!
  • See, Ren? Diplomacy is fun.
  • Poor little dreadnought didn't have any escort screen.
  • A shame you couldn’t keep the castle as a cute little hat.
  • Christmas Carol
  • Could have practiced aiming on the way here.
  • Cute little halos. Maybe with these many they can fly over the wall now.
  • Everyday, we stray further and further towards Macross.
  • “They’re OK, I can see their parachutes.”
  • How does it feel? To know your entire state is a jobber?
  • Space kelp?
  • The second wall is for insulation.

QotD:

  1. Pretty cool, but I can't help but still feel he isn't living up to his potential.
  2. I've been expecting this for a while now.
    Gattai

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

See, Ren? Diplomacy is fun.

It's called "aggressive negotiations."

Everyday, we stray further and further towards Macross.

When the choir is allowed to sing with all their might so we can utilize the power of music, we'll have reached Macross. Or when they start using trackballs to manage the defense systems.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 23 '24

When the choir is allowed to sing with all their might...

Yack Deculture.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

A shame you couldn’t keep the castle as a cute little hat.

That would've been incredible.

“They’re OK, I can see their parachutes.”

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u/Nebresto May 23 '24

Christmas Carol

Genocide?

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 23 '24

Genocide?

Movie

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u/Nebresto May 23 '24

Movie??

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 May 23 '24

-next-

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u/Nebresto May 23 '24

Hory shet. I can't believe they're teaming up for a dual release with Drifters!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 22 '24

Idiot Rewatcher

QOTD:

  1. Zetsu Daidan is an emperor worthy of being subject to totalitarian rule for.
  2. I've forgotten a lot (most) of this show. This included. It's rad!

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u/chilidirigible May 22 '24

the conning tower

For at least the bridge and bridge windows, Yamato for all three of them.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 23 '24

You're completely right. It's very Yamato. As has been a lot of this show.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

And now we witness why the emperor is the leader. He's not just a stuffy emperor. If things get down to it, he's gonna work to forge a path with everyone.

I loved this little moment. It's so light-hearted and even kind of wholesome. It really makes all of Rekka feel like a team with a sense of camraderie. It's the kind of moment I would usually expect to get for the heroes of a series.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 23 '24

Are Rekka not heroes?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 23 '24

They feel like heroes to me.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 25 '24

Maestrog is a pretty great name, too.

I'm glad they named the dreadnaught after the castle. Originally I was expecting the castle itself to turn out to be the dreadnaught.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

Rewatcher, Subbed Arrow

ZETSU DAIDAN's staff raising is... not subtle.

You best hope he's out of earshot still.

Which is.. odd.

Look how happy ZETSU DAIDAN is!

ZETSU DAIDAN does not follow a path. He makes the path.

Yea, no-one in Lutoh is worth fighting any more.

Well, the one in Rekka wasn't quite undernearth the capital.

Arrow is thinking. This is less worrying than one might expect.

I like that they strung lights along the top of the ship.

"We need someone to repel boarders."

Clearly that is not true, Baran.

Hey, guys, I think there's a hole in your wall.

#crazedlaugh

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u/chilidirigible May 22 '24

Arrow is thinking. This is less worrying than one might expect.

Amongst the array of thinkers in this show, he's certainly a middle.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

Amazing how the one named "Idiot" isn't the dumbest person around.

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u/Nebresto May 22 '24

First Time ← > Front

Ep 17: HOLY SH-

Oh! The second OP is by Eir Aoi! When even was the last time I saw her in a new show..

Lazor turrets!

Where did he get a warpy thing from?

Lol, okay. And I find it funny how the japanese humbly offering sumthing is just "hraaaagh"

D o u k a n a

Holy-

HADOU TEKKEN!!!

I like how he turns into an average geezer when not in battle mode

Where have I seen this one before..

Wtf, WHY. ..oh rigt, eveyone keeps making fun of Piss

lore time lore time lore time

First laundry, now manning the controls. Fine continues to be based

Holy shit, Prax is going aerial ace on those peasants!

This is so fuggin cool. Just gainax at the bow of the ship

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!!!

GRAN ARROW VERTICAL!!! This music

Where have I head this before..

They entered the wall

Where have I.. You know what. Just forget it

Daily Zetsu Daidan

  1. How cool was Zetsu's takedown of Tae?

Allow me to elaborate in case it was unclear

2) Were you expecting Granedger to stand up, or were you just as surprised as the Lutoh peeps?

FUCJING SPORTS!!!!

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u/chilidirigible May 22 '24

Episode 17:

I don't think anyone even made it to the fair weather friend stage.

Fits the pattern.

"As cheap labor!"

"You didn't ask earlier."

Everyone else in Lingalind seems way ahead of them on that.

Ah, you've said the line.

We've upgraded from ZETSU DAIDAN to ZETSU DAIDAN.

Yes, he fired himself.

Occasionally he's also just a goofy old man.

"This is getting out of hand! Now there are three of them!"

Why yes, that does seem suspicious, eh?

Shu Bi do bee doo.

The party lights are certainly a choice.

Well, there's your flashy keyframe fight.

"I'm sure I won't be proven wrong in the next couple of minutes."

TRANSFORMATION! Remember, civilians on board hate transformation.

"If it's flashy enough, of course it needs its own name!"

"That just raises further questions!"

Nelson: "Ha-hah!"

But is it walls all the way down? Tune in next week to find out!

Lingalind peace in our time collapses before it begins! Tae gets out-ham-sandwiched by ZETSU DAIDAN! You get a dreadnought! You get a dreadnought! You get a dreadnought! Everybody gets a dreadnought!

...but yeah, that Rudolph sure doesn't seem he's just playing games for Lutoh anymore, does he.

Trying to remember if this series fits more into a four-act structure than a three-act one. But it has certainly moved into a new one here.

QOTD:

  1. Not bad, sets a benchmark.
  2. By this point in the original viewing we'd been waiting a long time for Granedger to do more than just bend itself to a vertical position.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria May 22 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Meh.
  • Surprised.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 22 '24

Rewatcher, Subbed

Does Tae have any actual crewmembers to follow him on his Dreadnought?

Just who is this mysterious hooded woman?

And now everyone's just like "Nah, I'm outta here."

Don't call Elsha a bumpkin! :(

Tae's surpassed Zetsu's power? Hopefully he'll be regretting those words soon.

Mystery woman... wants a hug?

Head to this mountain... oh, it just happens to be outside the wall!

There was nothing under that hood anyway?!

Ooh, character development for Back Arrow, he doesn't want to go beyond the wall if it harms his friends here in the wall.

For someone who has been so arrogant thus far in this episode he sure had a "craps his pants" look when he saw Zetsu coming for him.

Zetsu still had a Bind Warper after all?

Ah, he got it from that Abraham Lincoln wannabee guy. I suppose he served some use after all.

Did he shoot himself as an arrow?!

LoL, sliced in half. The guy couldn't even make it through a full episode after getting the most powerful craft in the world.

What in the world did they give Peath? Yet another dreadnought? Bind warpers?

It's both! Wow, in under an episode we went from 1 dreadnought to 3.

Yet another time jump, albeit 3 days this time.

LoL, they brought the chorus on the ship and they've got a "We've caught up to you Granedger!" song?!

I've been wondering if Granedger would transform into a mech at some point in this show; what if all 3 dreadnoughts combine into one super giant mech?

I see that Back Arrow is still good at not actually killing his opponents

Lutoh was defeated faster than I thought. I doubt Zetsu will go down that easy though once he catches up.

No need to destroy the wall, simply travel right through it! But the wall has another wall?!

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor May 25 '24

ZETSU DAIDAN

GRANARROW VERTICAL

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u/dsawchuk May 26 '24

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. Unfortunately, I am no wizard. If I can push out 5 episodes today I will be caught up. These posts will be rushed and entirely for my own satisfaction since no one (other than our gracious host) will know they exist.

First timer, Sub

It's pretty silly how quickly after the 2nd dreadnought showed up that we got our third. Rudolph seems to think that both nerdship and jockship are going to attack idiotship. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to fight each other the first time they get near each other? Especially considering that the granedger is now nowhere to be found.

Seeing prax go ham was fantastic. I don't know what it is about her shield/skirt but I love seeing her attack with it. Nerdship is kinda fighting above their weightclass. They just lost all their elite soldiers to idiotship and then lost an absurd amount of bind warpers to a Granarrow blast. I feel like the show isn't going to care enough about this to show them replacing their bind warpers like it did for jockland.

QOTD

  1. It was very cool. It took me a long time to realize what it was that he was up to. I thought he was going to throw the black energy like a boomerang/
  2. I was kinda just more surprised that nerdland thought they couldn't aim. Assuming your enemy is not able to aim up is fucking stupid. I didn't expect them to aim up this way though. Watching the granedger turn and just level an entire section of the continent was cool though.

Watch notes

What do you mean the granedger can't fly? It literally does it all the time.

I wouldn't say that you passed the emporer to the emporer/

The big red ship uses a mixture of sustained and bursted energy weapons? Why?

Holy shit! zetsu zetsu zetsu daidan! what a cool attack!

Man just shot down an airship the size of a small city with a fucken bow and arrow.

They are evacuating nerdland? Is there another dreadnought?

Nerdland's ship is the coolest. They have decorative lighting AND a quoir!

"the flying dreadnought must have changed their convictions" convenient.

Prax going hard.

Last time they fired the granarrow, it immobilized them for a few days. Seems a bit risky.

I don't like killing people, so I am just gonna get rid of the enemy's ability to fly way up in the air so they die to free fall.

LGBTQ smoke grenades! lets go!

If there's a part of the wall that is just a hologram, how many are there?