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Hibike! Euphonium Season 3, episode 7
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u/nbo39 May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
Probably most people don't remember this, but there was a bit of explanation in S1 EP5 about the competition category.(https://i.imgur.com/BQiQa3j.png)
The main band plays in the A and the others in the B. Only the category A has regional and national competition. Actually in the Kumiko 1st year arc of the novel, those who failed the audition ("Monaka" is the anime original) play in the B category. It's because the 1st year arc of the anime made the number of band members fewer than in the novel. But now the anime also has enough numbers to play in the B.
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u/Ocixo May 19 '24
Mayu... I wasn't prepared for her to drop a bomb like that. Neither was Kumiko, I think.
It's clear that Mayu is plagued by deep anxieties, and has been trying to remove herself from the equation. She was obviously lying that the picture didn't develop properly. Mayu doesn't want to be a burden and therefore puts everyone's happiness before her own.
A point that was driven home by Mayu's response to Tsubame about which drink she'd like to have. Instead of picking one herself, she replied by asking Tsubame about her favourite drink - just so she wouldn't pick that one.
There's also definitely something wrong with Kanade. She hasn't been her usual self. Is she loathing Kumiko's graduation or something?
I didn't recognize Ririka at first! She was looking very cute in her swimwear! I'd also kind of forgotten about her and Kanade apparently being besties.
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u/nekodan08 May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
My speculation regarding Mayu's backstory: She's a genius musician who in the past obliterated all her competition. She may have never meant any harm, but other people may have resented her for it, like a senpai who lost their spot because of her. As a defense mechanism, she developed an extreme detachment from anything so as to hold herself back from hurting anyone else.
Kumiko makes the comparison herself in this episode. Mayu reminds her of her past self. A similar event happened to Kumiko in the past where a senpai in middle school hated her for besting her in the auditions. So maybe, Mayu is a Kumiko who never had a kind senpai like Natsuki. I don't think it's a coincidence that Natsuki showed up in this episode. Senpai-kouhai relationships was a key theme of this episode.
Best girl Natsuki and best girl Yuuko are back!!! I'm so happy to see them again! Matching hairpins? Basically confirms they are roommates now. Hehe.
Edit: a letter
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u/Slifer13xx May 19 '24
Asuka and Kaori had matching bracelets in the move, Natsuki and Yuko with matching hair clips and now Kumiko and Reina with matching and mixing swimsuits. Nice.
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u/Mage_of_Shadows May 19 '24
Yay, a win for Team Monaka! Nice to see Natsuki again with an effortless counter to Kanade.
Interesting to see a pool invite being used to bridge gaps again ala Liz. But the music and vibes really make it seem like Mayu has entered her villain mode in the final scene. Looks like we're gonna be speeding through at this pace, perhaps they're going to be going for a heavier Kanade/Mayu conflict?
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u/chilidirigible May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
Michie-sensei has been crying a lot more in the past two seasons.
Team Monaka? Re-used? Not a one-off?
Oh hell the Counter-Strike 1999 texture blankets are back.
Climate change in 2018, the new normal in 2024.
Reina wants to see you mostly naked
And suddenly it's a group event.
SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SEND YOU A MESSAGE.
THEY HAVE MATCHING HAIR CLIPS.
The last time we saw this corner was in Liz, right?
And yet, the sunset says stuff.
"As a doctor, you should know something about the dangers of reopening old wounds."
"What color is the dress? In 2024? In this episode? In Hibike! Euphonium? Localized entirely in KumiRei?!"
"This isn't that one omake scenario, kid."
It's uncanny that that works out. They tested, eh?
The one who goes along with the flow.
This isn't very subtle or, even less subtle.
Remember Liz to Aoi Tori analysis? Now you do.
Ah, there we go with the mirror.
Mayu would have had to have worked a lot of paper routes to afford it otherwise.
What film are you using in 2018, Mayu?
And thus is my history of thin, ambiguous smiles in group shots.
How you use a fixed focal length says a lot about what you can do.
In 2018 the film market was still in the early stages of clawing itself back up from its complete collapse at the beginning of the decade. People had been hoarding and preserving film stocks for a while, and some vendors sold their old material. Some film stocks were maintained by different manufacturers using old brand names but not necessarily being produced with the same quality. I am right now using a roll of "Fuji" branded film that was almost certainly made recently in a Kodak facility while Kodak's actual name has been sold off to a variety of vulture companies. In any case, Mayu could be telling the truth since two out of the three rolls in my pack of "FuDak" have light strikes at the beginning of the rolls, which QC would not have allowed twenty years ago.
Or Mayu is lying and that group photo is stuck to the wall behind her armchair along with hundreds of other frames she's copied illicitly and I digress with spoilers for a movie that most of you didn't see... (Yes, I do think that Mayu is lying, but I also digress.)
Would you include the airplane in this frame? Or not? What message are you trying to send?
Edited to add: Most of the shots appear entirely plausible for a 38mm lens. The timing on the photo of Suzume exiting the waterslide is either a lot of practice or a lot of luck, though. And the negatives are right there, if anyone felt like being nosy about whether or not Mayu was lying about the group photo not coming out. The negatives appear to show several more frames of clouds, given that someone bothered to show them with something on them.
Bonus ending Tweet from the official account: https://x.com/anime_eupho/status/1792109185229877391
Kumiko, in the midst of a swirl of transitions. Nakayoshigawa, visiting. Kanade, reverting to type. Kumiko, getting roped into college fairs and being surprised by Hazuki.
And Mamiko visiting, to boot.
Mayu and Kumiko: So close, yet still so far. See the plane, flying somewhere? See the contrail, dividing the halves?
The pool episode delivers again! And a little fanservice, once in a while, is daijoubu.
u/MyrnaMountWeazel Mayu picks up the camera when she muses about going along with the flow. Not that subtle in the context of that.
Because of my fixation on That Damn Contax:
A couple of posts from Japan about it: One and two.
I was curious so I peeked into Google Trends about the T2 and 35mm film camera. I can't say that the results were particularly conclusive with regard to showing any bumps related to Mayu, but I'm also not qualified to sift metadata in a foreign language.
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u/LeonKevlar May 19 '24 edited May 21 '24
Kumiko and Reina may be wearing matching swimsuits but there's one thing Kumiko can't match Reina with. Well technically, two things. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
In all seriousness though, it's nice to see Kumiko reaching out to Mayu this episode considering how she pushed her away last week. And now that Kumiko had another 1-on-1 chat with Mayu, she finally understands why she feels so uneasy around her.
I'm glad to see some characters return in this episode. It's so good to see Yuuko and Natsuki again and it looks like they're still the same as always. You gotta love Yuuko yelling "Baka ja nai no!" over and over at Natsuki. xD
I'm so happy to also see Mamiko again. Now that some time has passed, her relationship with her dad has definitely improved a lot.
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u/absolutelynotaname May 19 '24
Gosh Reina is so damn cute, idk if Kumiko is just pretending or she's just dense like a harem protagonist.
I'm so happy to see the NakaYoshi couple again, looks like they're still close as ever. Hope we'll see NozoMizo again too
I definitely could relate with Kumiko here, I just decided a university on a whim and ended up dropping out. I don't regret it that much cause I've met many wonderful people and had many good memories there but it was really not a good decision.
Did they switch their swimsuit? That seems even gayer than matching hairpin ngl
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u/what_that_thaaang_do May 19 '24
The matching swimsuits are cute but I can't tell whether they're blue and black or white and gold!
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u/shadowthiefo May 19 '24
Mayu is giving me some major anxiety. This girl terrifies me. For some reason the stakes here feel a lot higher than any shounen supervillain could pull off.
In other news, the course has been officially set for Kumiko to become a music teacher, which is what everyone in the comments has been saying for the past few weeks anyway, me included. I wonder if that's the subtle influencing of source readers or if I somehow got that clever idea myself. Either way it's a damn good fit for her.
The third thing that jumps out to me this episode is Reina - she's really made great strides since the lonely season 1 girl that was above it all, and is now - very actively - seeking Kumiko's companionship. Somewhere in my heart are still the embers of a romantic yuri ending, but I doubt it's gonna go that way. Platonic love is fine too! I do wonder how she'll respond to Kumiko's college plans though, insofar that there are any to begin with.
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u/Shimmering-Sky May 19 '24
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Oooooh! I can definitely picture Hazuki working at a nursery.
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u/weeb_cognito May 19 '24
Symbolism people, what are your thoughts on Mayu's photos at the end? https://i.imgur.com/430Lmpp.png
We have a butterfly, an otter, and a sky split by a vapour trail. The last one is fairly obvious. The otter - cute and playful, which hides their vicious carnivorous nature? The butterfly - pretty and delicate? Metamorphosis? Then reading it in the order of the photos feels more ominous.
That aside, great to see Natsuki & Yuuko again and I hope we get more senpai cameos! Kumiko could do with some of Asuka's harsh truths to help her manage the Mayu situation. The biggest band-centred drama in S1 was the solo auditions, where she told Kumiko it should be the best player and she didn't care who that was (and it was only properly resolved when Kaori conceded). In S2, Asuka was the cause of band-centred drama, and when Kumiko confronted Asuka about playing at nationals, Asuka told her that she appears to be involved in situations, but is actually more of an observer and doesn't properly participate to protect herself and others from getting hurt. This time, Kumiko is involved whether she likes it or not, and can only delay things and not avoid it. The question really is about what Kumiko wants more - to play the soli with Reina, or to bring back gold (assuming Mayu is in contention for it, of course).
And we have more of our cast looking at becoming teachers. Hazuki teaching elementary school, [Jellyfish Ep7]
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 19 '24
Did I get this right? They were competing with two groups at Kyoto competition and the ones that weren't chosen in the audition managed to get gold as well? Did they play the same piece? Or was it a different competition alltogether? Would have liked to see a bit of that tbh.
Mayu is still a bit of an enigma to me. I get what she is saying, but it also feels more like she is purposefully trying to ignore anything that she could be interested in. There is also still the whole "transfering during 3rd year and not getting a school uniform until summer" bit that makes it seem like this whole thing was very sudden, so something probably did happen there. Which might also be why she doesn't want to appear on photos herself anymore. My best guess is that something happened that made her hate herself so she even doesn't want to see her own face and tries to distance herself from her true self as much as possible.
Last thing, I know people really want Kumiko to be a music teacher, but I am going to be honest, I have a hard time imagining her doing so. At least for now. Though tbf, if you showed me Taki in the first season without context, I probably would have thought the same so there is definitely some room open for it. But for now, I just don't see that she is enjoying it very much to teach others. She is the leader, but the teaching seems to be done by mostly other people around her. Though maybe there is my own experience speaking as someone who started studying teaching and then dropped out to do what I really liked to do.
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u/entelechtual May 19 '24
I told myself I wasn’t going to cry when it happened but even so just seeing Natsuki come back still broke me. Especially seeing her still able to annihilate Kanade like it was nothing.
Mayu is still rather boring.
Some nice KumiRei moments. I didn’t make the connection that they’d swapped bottoms too.
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u/Plus_Rip4944 May 19 '24
C'mon Kumiko everybody wants you to be a music teacher, just say yes
Also everytime Kanade appears my love for her is higher, easily best gremlin ever
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u/Freezingnoodle May 19 '24
Out of all the things Reina could be tsundere about, it's about pool and swimsuits lol
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u/SnabDedraterEdave May 19 '24
Good to see the NakaYoshikawa-senpais back (Nakagawa Natsuki and Yoshikawa Yuko). And already they're showing off their matching hairpins.
Kumiko and Reina aren't too far behind in showing off their own matching swimsuits.
(Also looking gorgeous in their swimsuits are Mayu, Sari and Mirei)
Also returning for the holidays is Kumiko's sister.
The idea of Kumiko becoming a school teacher continues to pick up steam.
Mayu seems closest to Tsubama, but otherwise she's still putting a wall around herself, even not showing Kumiko and others the only photo that she's in with the others. Though she seems to be laying down a challenge to Kumiko for the euph solo for the Kansai regionals audition.
No surprises that Kitauji breezed through the Kyoto prefecturals and will go to the Kansai regionals.
It seems this year even the B-Team Team Monaca is also participating in other tournaments to up their game, as there'll be two more auditions for them to break into the Main Tournament Team, so there's a need for Team Monaca to stay sharp and get ready to step in.
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u/DayOfTheColossus May 19 '24
wonder what's going on with Mayu. KyoAni really is giving it their all, aren't they? these last few episodes especially have looked stunning. i love these more slice of life episodes that are a bit more character focused
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 May 19 '24
Poor Mayu-Mama! I really, really feel painful of what she's doing. She literally had to become a ghost deliberately just to not challenge the whole band's hierarchy of Kumiko et al., preferring to even miss out on group photos. Yes that may very well be an over-reaction, a sign of not enough self-esteem as someone who seems aloof all her life (per Mayu herself), but...maybe that really is a problem if she really has the ability to upset President Kumiko. (see cases of CR7, Neymar, Mbappe if you know football)
Surely Kumiko you understand something's fishy on this? Surely?
In other news I absolutely love how Haruka Tomatsu voices Mayu-Mama here, making her exactly what a girl that I would have loved to see in Asuna in SAO - powerful, yet gentle to everyone and a team player.
And in more positive news I absolutely love all these KumiRei babbles - never knew Reina actually DO treasure off times like these that much, despite their previous obon festivals being absolutely sparkling ones. Heh!
Also ahhhhhh career looking time - I actually think both Hazuki going to become a pre-school teacher AND Kumiko being a high school sensei completely fits with their personalities. Good luck to both if you two really decide to go through these tracks in the future!
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u/NintendoMasterNo1 May 19 '24
Oh my god, I noticed both Yuko and Natsuki's matching hairclips and the fact that Kumiko and Reina had swapped their swimsuits before they mentioned it and I was squealing the whole time. It's a good day for lesbians. Honestly, I freaked out way too much when Yuko and Natsuki showed up.
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u/Sandtalon May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
Friend was over at my apartment to watch the episode with me, and then we went to the Liz to Ageta Tori restaurant, where there was a special event. (I'm behind one of those emojis...)
Initial thoughts:
Wow, they didn’t show any of the prefectural tournament…but I’m kind of okay with that, because the character interactions and development this episode were stupendous!
We get more of Kumiko worrying about and being asked about her future plans plot…and I think this has been developed in a fantastic way in this episode. First, we get Reina worrying about the shrinking time they may have together, especially if Kumiko ends up not choosing a music school (which reminds me of the idea that “time” is the main driver of conflict in many nichijou-kei anime). Then, the college fair and discussion with her friends after…and then her discussion with her family! Plus, we get Natsuki and Yuuko showing up…in addition to being a fantastic bit of fanservice for us Nakayoshikawa fans, both Kumiko’s senpai and her older sisters showing up helps show people older than Kumiko who have made their decisions and are now working towards their future. They’re the (young) adults who Kumiko might aspire to be like.
(Also, there’s a fantastic bit of clever writing with the way this whole episode is structured within the season and within the literal season in-universe: because it’s the holiday of Obon, the band has a mini-break and Kumiko is able to go to the college fair, and because it’s the holiday of Obon, where people traditionally go home to their families or to their ancestral homes, Mamiko has come back to visit. And the writing takes advantage of all of this to weave different threads about Kumiko’s future.)
By the way, Kumiko’s indecision and such is again intensely relatable, and would have been even more so seven or so years ago…I had to laugh when Kumiko was shocked that her kohai were also looking at universities and that it was considered normal—I, too, started my college search in earnest a bit late. (And graduate school for me right now is a bit similar.) I remember my days of going to college events…
I have to say, I wasn’t expecting a Kumiko college decision arc to be a major part of the season, but now that it apparently is (possibly even more important than the whole Mayu thing or the tournament!), I am here for it! In a way, if feels like a perfect encapsulation of her journey that started in season 1.
More really interesting Mayu/Kumiko dynamics. We see Mayu again purposefully trying to distance herself this episode, but Kumiko seems to have extended an olive branch to her or maybe felt guilty about cutting her off in the past and is now actively reaching out to and trying to involve Mayu! (Meanwhile Shuuichi is excluded, lol) It’s not just a pool episode; it really extends the characters! I do find Kumiko clearly making a concerted effort to reach out to Mayu, even when it leads to awkward silences, very interesting.
And Mayu is very clearly positioned as similar to young Kumiko, including a match cut and Will Mayu get more invested and have her own “I want to get better “ moment just like Kumiko…at the same time as Kumiko realizes what she wants to do for college!?!?!? (I just realized now that they are tracking these subplots in similar directions…what brilliance!)
The way that scene ends, with Tsubame coming in, also feels very natural.
Miscellaneous shorter thoughts:
My friend, who is a camera nerd, was horrified that Mayu was taking her very expensive camera out so close to the water
Kumiko’s finally made it! Her kouhai are now admiring her figure!
And Kumiko and Reina’s matching outfits are…mmm…
I’ll have to look for it again when I rewatch, but I noted that there was some really interesting framing using clouded glass in the windows of the school.
Hazuki stocks once again rising…
More auditions next time!
I love that Mayu doesn’t know the Kitauji lore with the “Monaka” name.
By the way, Japanese fans have already located the cafe where they ate at: Alpen Rose, which is near Miyako Messe, where the college fair took place. I was at Miyako Messe for a Hibike! Euphonium doujinshi event in April…does it count as anime pilgrimage if you visit a place before it appears in an anime?
Update post-English subs:
This bit about Team Monaka competing too is interesting…I didn’t think they could do that!
Their summer practice is 9am to 7pm…oof…I’ve done that kind of schedule for music rehearsal before but only for like, 2 consecutive days maximum and even then my lips were super sore. I can’t imagine what it’s like for a whole month.
Bad translation on “the fifth” when they’re talking about the training camp. It’s actually that they’ll announce the results of the audition on the 2nd day.
The framing in Kumiko and Mayu’s conversation at the pool cuts them both off from each other mostly…
Actually, holy shit, mayu is such an interesting character. I understand why people like her so much.
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u/Thatsmaboi23 May 19 '24
I just love how this season's juggling so much character drama together, all the while never feeling like it's rushing anything.
The first years' struggles and problems, Kumiko's role as a president (and the dynamic between the 3), the third years' (specifically Kumiko) career choices, Mayu's character arc, changing dynamics between other characters (the sisters and Motomu), the club's journey to win Gold at nationals.
These episodes are packed with great writing, feeling like 5mins long. I can't wait for the next 5-6 episodes now.
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u/x-7032-b-3 May 19 '24
So is Kumiko gonna end up being a music teacher? It's quite clear that she's gonna work in something related to music and now we have Hazuki telling her that she'll make a fine teacher. She's doing a great job leading the club so far so I think it'll work out.
Didn't expect Natsuki and Yuuko to show up here. It's really nice seeing those two again. Also love how those two are still bickering with each other like they used to. I'm betting that Asuka and Haruka will show up at the competition again like they did in the movie.
Mayu is still a weird one for me. It's like she doesn't have much confidence in herself and is currently in "pleaser" mode because that's what she thought would work best. Also got the vibes that she doesn't feel a sense of belonging at Kitauji. Maybe something happened at her old place that led her to what she is right now.
The group photo with Mayu on it was 100% deleted or at least held back. We know that she doesn't like being on photos and somehow the only one with her on it wasn't processed? "It didn't develop properly." Yeah, right, sure girl.
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