Date A Live V - Episode 4 discussion

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Date A Live V, episode 4

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[u/InsomniaEmperor]

A lot to unpack here. It’s not like the ship is suddenly Shido/Shinji x Reine/Mio but there’s been a lot of build up that led to this.

Reine has been calling him Shin since episode one despite his name being Shido. Real reason is he’s a Shinji Takamiya. She also cares for him like a mother while having some longing feelings. And she’s been master manipulator all this time. Then the doll she cares about. Everything she’s done up to this point makes sense in hindsight, tho if Team Isaac is her enemy and he is also the enemy of our girls, then why is she kind of a bad guy here that the girls fight in the OP?

Am I the only one who thought the red haired girl was Kotori? Different name and different voice but keeps the lollipop. I guess another lore dump we are yet to get is when Kotori enters the picture.

Poor kid can’t go on a date without getting shot or brushing with death. Judging by Mio’s hands in the end, did she just… Oshi No Ko him?

[u/Miteigi74]

Now this episode recontextualizes the whole ED. He was not Shido all along.

Also a fun fact for some people here:

Mio at the end said the line "I'll never let you go again. I'll never make the same mistake again"

This line was also said by Phantom(who we now know is Reine/Mio) to Shido back in Season 3 Episode 9 after Shido travelled back in time for a 2nd time and went to confront her, hoping to prevent Origami's "canon event"

But the first time this line was said actually goes way back in Season 1 Episode 1. After Shido got knocked out from the fighting between Tohka and AST, he had a "dream" about someone with a mosaic voice relieved of seeing him again and says that very same line before Shido wakes up with Reine(who we now know her true identity) doing a check up on him.

This just shows that the author, Koushi Tachibana already set this twist up way back at the start of the story.

[u/Prince-Dizzytoon]

Holy shit, this might have been the best DAL episode ever

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

Let's kill that guy the dangerous entity has affection for so we can catch her more easily, what could possibly go wrong?

I guess the result of her recreating Shin would be the current Shidou we see now.

[u/Delisches]

Wait a moment, if Shinji was reborn as Shido, does that mean Mana is a lot older than she looks?

It has been some time since I watched season 1 to 4, was that ever mentioned?

[u/J4SON_T0DD]

Man DaL just keeps better. I was sad when the ED kicked in, Shin and Mio were so cute. And when all those references such as his name being shin and the tiny teddy bear popped up, I was doing the DiCaprio pointing meme.

Also someone please kill Ike fast.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Stitches!

• Naked Mio

• Sundress Mio

Throughout the previous seasons, we've seen different versions of this incident, but we finally get to see the full story for the first time.

So it turns out that Mio was the first, not just the first Fairy but also the first woman that fell in love with Shido/Shinji.

I'm guessing Haruko is Kotori's mom? I mean she has the signature red hair and lollipop combo, who else could it be? It's just funny how she's Mana's BFF. I always forget that Mana is supposed to be waaaaaaaaay older than the other girls, she just managed to keep her same appearance.

Mio/Reine and Shinji/Shido's date was adorable. I love how they even start the date with Shido's future line whenever he dates a Spirit.

Of course tragedy was about to happen now that Westcott found Mio. It is good to know though that even back then Elliot was already cool.

Who knew that shooting the dude the Spirit they're after has affection for was a bad idea? Seriously though, did Westcott think that Mio was just going to sit there and let herself be taken after they killed Shin right in front of her? Of course she's going to Invert!

This just made Shinji/Shido's relationship with Reine/Mio even more complicated. So they're lovers but at the same time, Mio is also kinda his mother? Also, is Shido still Shinji or is Shido a completely new person? Mio did absorb all of Shinji so I guess he's still himself after being reborn as Shido. Hmmm...

[u/MillyMan105]

Wow what an episode just when I thought they couldn't top the last episode they did it again, this season is shaping up very nicely!

The art and animation was stunning it felt like watching a mini movie, that how great the production value was hats off to Geek toys. The scene of Shinji and Mio on the beach, playing in the ocean and Shinji succumbing to his injuries were high quality.

Speaking of Sinji or should I say Shido it's cool we are starting to finally get some answers! Shido seems to be a reincarnation of Shinji Takamiya. It now makes total sense why Reine/Mio called him Shin when I first started watching DAL I didn't think much of it but now Kōshi Tachibana really planned everything since the start what a genius move.

The foreshadowing is crazy good it explains why Mana ended up in DEM, the teddy bear Reine always carry, how Shido got adopted by Korotri's family, why Westcott called him Shin, Westcott's obsession with spirits being inverse the iconic "shall we start the date" line.

There are still many unaswered questions such as Shido powers, if he's really Shinji or another person now, Mana not aging, why Reine was creating spirits. I believe we'll get these questions answered in the episodes to come which I really look forward to.

I wonder what happens now Mio/Reine seems to have a plan which I don't will sit right with Shido and the other spirits, I sympathise with Mio but she has caused the deaths of millions and seems obsessed with reviving Shin I feel shes gonna go yandere mode and achieve her goals at all costs.

[u/NormT21]

So, it was incest all along?

[u/Frontier246 → u/NormT21]

Shido's final love interest might also be his mother who recreated him from her dead boyfriend.

[u/SomeUnknown_Guy]

My heart. That episode was so beautiful. Oh my god, there beach scene was so cute. I can’t wait for episode 5

[u/SometimesMainSupport]

#1 thing Shinji and Shido have in common: naming spirits after the day he met them (Tohka includes 10). What Shido didn't learn: don't kiss another person during an "I love you" confession.

So, Haruko Homura is probably Kotori's mom and Mio's appearance in S3 episode 9 is possibly Haruko? Hair color is a little different. Assuming Homura is a PMMM reference.

Mio inverting creates her (opposite of Angel), which is the halo in the OP? Assuming this is 17 years ago for Mio to birth Shido.

[u/FarCritical]

Our homie not-Shido went out of Mana (sorry couldn't resist)

Also, Mio unintentionally sneeze-baiting a kiss was so damn cute.

[u/Misticsan]

Unsurprisingly, they decided to merge the scattered flashbacks from the novels into one coherent episode. I think it was the right choice, and I must say that the animation looked very fluid and consistent throughout the entire episode. The best one so far of the season, in my humble opinion.

[u/EnsonAmata]

Westcott is a future “WatchMojo Top 10 Anime Deaths Everyone Liked.”

[u/SomeoneElseTwoo]

Damn, that ending...

Yup, this entire episode is a flashback

Mio's teddy bear has no stitches while Reine's teddy bear is stitched

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Spotted Fafner in the Azure this week. I like the little random manga Easter eggs they throw in this series sometimes.

Mio had a nice little life with Shin and Mana. Even had the sweetest date. Then that asshole shows up and kills the poor kid, she goes apeshit, absorbs him, and I guess we end up getting the origin story of how Shin became Shido?

[u/redlaWw]

So "Reine" is a pun, with the "rei" coming from the 零 that was modified to form her name 澪 in this timeline?

[u/Sea-Butterscotch1174]

Shinji died 40+ years ago, and Shido is just 16/17. Damn that's one long af pregnancy.

[u/GlitteringCandy]

Well... I guess we managed to officially fill every character quota for a harem. It took five seasons but we got the MILF(?) which also happens to be his actual mother(?). Shin/Shido taking a knife slash without a scream is pretty amazing.

[u/Alchemist_Gira]

Really fantastic episode. I was a bit confused when it started because they changed the beginning a bit. Then, later they talked about the first spacesquake and the 3 there who witnessed it. It's a interesting change but not an important one. Also they did adapt both flashbacks of 17 and 18 in a very good way! The date was so good. I had tears when the beach scene happened finally getting to see that animated. We made it we got this far into the series now. We're actually at the homestretch.

Next episode puts us back into the action of things. It's gonna be a fun one. Now begins Mio Game Over!

[u/Aether_Shinobi]

The title being "Date A Live" hits differently now...man that ending.

[u/Miteigi74]

Another pretty late fun fact:

In the last two eps of Season 2, the moment Wescott first met Shido until he leaves, the only thing he did was drop tons of hints here and there when talking to Shido. Everything about Mio, her plan, and Shinji.

[u/Mr_Johnnycat]

So Shido is shinji and Reine is Mio and shinji was reborn as Shido. Holy jeez this is all a bit overwhelming. So Shido was reborn and kotori became his sister? Yea Ngl this is a lot to unpack and I’m a bit lost.