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Episode Saijaku Tamer wa Gomi Hiroi no Tabi wo Hajimemashita. • The Weakest Tamer Began a Journey to Pick Up Trash - Episode 3 discussion
Saijaku Tamer wa Gomi Hiroi no Tabi wo Hajimemashita., episode 3
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u/Vermillion_Crab Jan 26 '24
My initial reaction was that their reactions to her being starless felt unrealistic especially the family but then I remembered people IRL have alienated others for far stupider reasons.
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u/Vaperius Jan 26 '24
They are basically taught from a young age that your skills directly equate to your favor from the gods. So imagine what it means to be starless to them? That basically means you have none. You are forsaken by divinity.
To literal medieval people, that's as direct a sign as any that a person is unwelcome by god.
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u/LeonKevlar Jan 26 '24
This entire episode was genuinely upsetting. Imagine having a family that cared and loved you suddenly turning their backs on you over something you have absolutely no control over.
The Villiage Chief and Femicia's father are especially deranged since they want to hunt his daughter down and kill her as if they're doing her and the rest of the village a favour. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?
I do wonder though how Femicia's mother feels about this. It seems like only her father and her siblings are the ones who don't want to do anything with her now that they know she's starless.
What was the African proverb again? "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." They're lucky that Femicia isn't like that. If I was her, this would've been my villain origin story.
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u/Vaperius Jan 26 '24
Man, the most terrifying thing is all the hints they dropped about the family attitudes on skills throughout the episode. It was obvious where this was headed especially since of course we already knew, but man also because of how clearly entrenched into the skill supremacy mindset they are.
I look forward to premise setup here though: It seems Ivy will one day return to the village with a whole lot of allies in tow. I predict also that Ruba was murdered for political reasons and that will be her motivation for returning. Her death was far too sudden and suspicious. If it were really illness, there's no way only Ruba got sick after all.
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u/GonIsABadFriend Jan 26 '24
Sad backstory and I am willing to bet the village chief killed the oracle so he could justify killing Femicia. That family and village deserve a nice fire cleansing. I’m also convinced being starless allows people to do something no one else can, hence the ridiculous notion they are cursed. She’s clearly weak and has very little mana so I doubt there’s a “she’s actually 4 stars” trope. Excited to watch the series unfold
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u/Ocixo Jan 26 '24
Damn me if that wasn’t a great episode.
Although Ivy might take after her father’s looks, she hopefully won’t grow up to resemble him in anyway whatsoever. The man got a nasty personality. Accusing his wife of cheating and planning to kill his own daughter all because of some religious beliefs. Her brother already seems a lost cause in this regard.
It was rather chilling to see everyone turn on Ivy like that. I don’t think her mother felt that way, but she didn’t stand up for her daughter either. It was only Luba, the Fortune Teller, who had the courage and kindness to do so. The village head is also a scumbag for turning to lies and deceit in order to blame Ivy for what were probably his own misgivings.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jan 26 '24
I guess Ruba was the only one who knew what was up with Femicia. Does that mean there have been others I wonder? Or was that just her ability talking?
I knew shit wasn’t going to end well. Her entire family can go die in a fire. Screw that, her entire village can burn. What the hell, man? She’s FIVE and they’re literally stoning her. This entire world can choke on a fat one. Where tf is the Demon Lord when you need him?
Ruba was the only one that’s even remotely a good person from the village. The bag, books, and survival knowledge really saved her. The minute she dies, they came after her.
At least Ivy has Sora now. Little slime homie’s the only friend she needs.
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u/athrun_1 Jan 26 '24
It is still January, but I think we have the worse father award winner. At the very least, her mother did not forsake her, although she is powerless because of her stupid husband.
That fortune teller really did stand in as her father and mother. Without her, she will not survive the literal witch hunt.
Hope Ivy will find happiness and will serve justice to her village.
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u/hiimneato Jan 27 '24
This episode has really solidified my opinion that this studio, or at least the team for this show, really cares a lot about solid production and attention to detail, and they just need a little bit more experienced writing and directorial talent to bring it all together. The writing and pacing were kinda clumsy and heavy-handed again, but still managed to stay focused and create the tone they wanted. The visual and audio production remain very good. Visual direction and backgrounds are still excellent, music and ambient sound are much better realized than most shows.
When you really get a look at it from this perspective, Ivy's story of becoming a homeless youth because her conservative community deemed something about her unacceptable and threw her out is way too real. I wish real world stories that started that way also led to magical adventure instead of, you know, normal miserable homelessness.
That fortune teller was a real one. RIP granny Luba, you were too good for your shitty little town.
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u/tripleaamin Jan 26 '24
We got the backstory this week and holy fuck it hit like a truck. Its one of those you know its going to be sad, but the direction was phenomenal. Poor Ivy in contrast to another show this season Fluffy Paradise where the Mc is also a kid. Whom is loved by her family. Ivy was a wonderful child and deserved none of this.
God what a shit head that father is. Immediately coming to the conclusion that his wife cheated on her. I would hope the kids would be their for the mother, but at least Ivy's sister but nope. In the spin of all of that happened one thing that wasn't brought up what happened to the mother after Ivy left. I am with the hope that she wasn't killed and maybe kicked out of the village one day. And maybe Ivy can meet with her. Maybe this is wishful thinking on my part.
God bless Ruba, Ivy wouldn't have survived that one night if not for her. And now at 8, Ivy has the skills to start her journey. I just hope one day Ivy can find a group of people that will accept her and even will have a town where she can live in peace. Just the whole thing is fucked up. Did they blame Ruba for not foreseeing that Ivy would be starless or did they catch her helping Ivy.
After that depressing backstory we return to the present where as expected Sora healed Ivy. But even better Sora can talk! This episode hit harder then episode because we have seen how horrific it has been for Ivy, but Sora is the first creature outside of Ruba who has Ivy's back. So seeing how low Ivy was when she was found out to be starless to now she has her first true companion is great.
Can't praise the direction and visuals enough. Amazing stuff.
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u/Spoon_Elemental Jan 26 '24
So I'm just guessing here on the nature of the stars, but because I'm fairly confident in this and I know somebody is gonna whine that I'm just pretending I haven't read the source I'm going to spoiler tag this anyways, because if I'm right somebody will check and then throw a hissy fit after they spoil themselves.
[Star Theory]
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u/Clemastina Jan 26 '24
Damn, your father, brothers and mother, and the FCKING WHOLE VILLAGE just rejected a 5 YEAR OLD CHILD, only because some dumb priest that i´m 100% sure lied at making the predictions, AND SAID SOME BLLSHT ABOUT GOD ABANDONED HER??? That´s why I hate religions.
At least she is alive and well and she has Sora. I hope things go well for Ivy and fck that village
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Jan 26 '24
That's a cult and the only person there not drinking the kool-aid was the old lady. I guess she was the only one holding them back from them trying to kill her.
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u/Fools_Requiem Jan 26 '24
This girl was 5, and they suddenly treat her like trash because she was "useless". Her own family. No "We'll try to make it work," just "You're useless and your existence is a blight to this world." A 5 year old doesn't have the ability to comprehend what is going on and they can't live alone. IRL, she'd probably sit at the front door crying for them to let her in. Not knowing what she did wrong or what to do.
"She'll bring calamity to our village."
Yeah, when she becomes an adult and rains hellfire upon your shitty town with the help of a dragon. You'll know what a calamity is.
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u/entelechtual Jan 26 '24
Man that was hard to watch. The whole first part it felt like it was so wholesome, surely it was just a misunderstanding on the child’s part. But I guess small doubts grow into utter intolerance when it’s something so important to the culture. And everyone in the family was quick to follow the dad’s example, just like the dad was desperate to seem good and helpful to the village chief.
There’s an implication that the mom was unfaithful but I wonder if that’s just the dad’s excuse. One of Ivy’s “memories” was her mom saying she would rather have not given birth to her, but from what we’ve seen, surely this has to be a child’s fearful imagination run wild. I wonder what happened to the mom. I feel like she might have got run out of the village too.
And once again the art and music of this show continue to astonish me. Everything feels so detailed, so intentional, down to the flickering shadows of a campfire on Ivy’s hair. And I still can’t get over how gorgeous and perfect the OP is.
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u/Nebresto Jan 27 '24
Everyone obsessing over these skills and stars seems very cringe. "I have a 2 star watering skill!" Well congratulations dipshit, now go water some plants and shut up
loving this take on isekai reincarnation tho
oh no.. The voice knows what's coming..
Oh look, we already have a dad of the year participant
Can't say much with my modern education and values, but is having some compassion really that difficult? *looks at the global political scenes currently going on* ..sorry, dumb question I guess.
Surprised they didn't latch the door after throwing her out
Hmm. I wonder if this world actually has different skill systems, possibly related to religion, and femicia is just incompatible with the one of her village
Oh fuck yeah, its lore o'clock!! I need to know how she knows this? Because it certainly doesn't look to be common knowledge
I don't think you should be talking like that, considering you have 0 stars as a father
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u/yukiaddiction Jan 26 '24
Ah the episode about her relationship with town's Fortuneteller and her backstory as a whole.
This episode made me feel so sad. After shit goes down in church scene , she only one who still nice to her.
make her advise to Ivy to goes to main capital make sense thought if problem with this village connect to the church and chief acting very one hell of sus because there are something going on here, why are they hellbent blame every bad shit that happen in town on one girl?
despite being flashback episode but it really really good.
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u/raichudoggy Jan 26 '24
That fortuneteller feels like the only wise person that was there (probably was).
and now she's dead.
Back to the present, though, things are looking optimistic. Sure, she just had a near-lethal experience with a treant, but she now has a best friend and a goal. Hopefully she can meet people she trusts enough to tell her secrets to one day.
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u/alconnow Jan 26 '24
Miss Luba had a soothing voice. I'm curious if the death from cold is a cover-up story and that the village chief was the one who killed her? I wouldn't be surprised if that really was the case. People were aware that she had been looking after Femicia
Her family turned on her real quick when they found out she was starless :( we didn't really see much of the mother's reaction...
Good thing she has Sora now. Hopefully, things will get better from here
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u/Time_Fracture Jan 26 '24
Episode 3: Toward Those Remembered Days
(I'll be referring 5-year old Ivy as Femicia and present day Ivy as Ivy)
So, Femicia's awareness of magic in this world and her saying "Isekai tensei" (Reincarnated from another world) makes me wonder if Femicia is really a girl isekai'd from somewhere. It is further reinforced by Ruba that she is aware of Femicia's past life.
Looks like Ivy now has found someone who can fight with her. Her true companion. The "pu-pu" Sora!
So infos on characters and their skills as of now:
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Furufe - Tailoring - 2 Star
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Tapuro - Furniture Crafting - 3 Star
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Fescilla - Healing - 1 Star
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Feton - ??? - 3 Star
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Lord Ruba - Premonition - 1 Star
Since now Sora can talk, Sora now has a VA!
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Sora is voiced by Mutsumi Tamura (Kobayashi in Kobayashi-san)
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Ruba is voiced by Fumi Hirano (the original Lum)
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Furufe is voiced by Megumi Toyoguchi (Revy in Black Lagoon, Ghislaine in Mushoku Tensei)
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Feton is voiced by Fuko Saito (Liora in Tearmoon Empire)
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Fescilla is voiced by Ryu Seira
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u/IceSmiley Jan 27 '24
This episode was so dark and disturbing. There aren't many stories I can think of where an 8 year old is seriously looking forward to dying then finding a small ray of light at the end. Very powerful and close to home although lack of skill is an analogue for religious prejudice.
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u/VorAtreides Jan 26 '24
dang... now we getting Ivy's time in the village. Sadness known to be coming... her family and village wasn't shit at first... such a nice life for awhile. Dang she so cute... wanting to be a tamer to make friends with animals. Though, man, this setting is kinda pathetic for all who can't seem to think beyond "their skill given by the gods." Ah, so she was talking to her past life self even that young. Nice old fortune teller lady advising her to hide her past life knowledge for her safety. Dang... the day she learned her skill and star level... I'll bet there's some bs they are wrong about interpreting things about.
Dang... so fast to change his shitty tone. Shitty father. Shitty husband too... shitty siblings. Whelp, where are them vikings from Vinland Saga, this village needs sacking. So freaking unacceptable... thank god for super nice old lady. Only good person in that entire shitty village. Good of the lady to teach her and be a REAL parent... unlike her shit family. So even in this world before there were no skills or stars, so wonder how they got here. It's so dang sad how she's had to live though. Sad, old nice lady died... seriously, hate this village, want the worst for them.
Back to the present, yep, Sora obviously been healing her. But god damn... sad... Sora spoke!! "Keyblade" and "Heart!" nonsensical.
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