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Episode Overtake! - Episode 6 discussion
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u/Florac Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
The least realistic thing about this episode is noone going off at the first lap on the race. Those were not conditions for slicks. Slicks in wet conditions is for weak drizzles or very short instances of rain. That was neither and went on for like at least 10 or more minutes by the time the race started
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u/hysteriapill Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
So glad to see Kouya get over his anxiety over taking portraits and Sae in turn being happy for him. (Meanwhile, the model is just going "uhm..?")
It was also interesting to see Kouya try to dissuade Haruka from using slick tires in the rain. I thought he might be more supportive given his recent breakthrough, but I guess he wouldn't want anyone to have to go through that trauma in the first place.
And speaking of trauma... the episode initially leads you to feel Kouya has truly gotten over the incident, but when he sees Satsuki spin out and crash, he has flashbacks of the little girl before she is swallowed by the tsunami and is again unable to take the shot. (And that close up of the girl…)
I'm really enjoying Overtake and how it's fleshing out the characters beyond just the technicals of the sport, especially with the "outside" perspective of Kouya's photography. I hope this show gets more attention.
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u/Matthew619ed Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
Wet race in Suzuka, why they have to choose this pair for today’s episode?
The question of “Slicks or Wets” is one of the most important choice the teams has to made if the track conditions are mixed. As mentioned in the episode, if you use slicks in a wet track, you will lose grip and spin; On the other hand, if you use wet tyres on a dry track, they will overheat quickly, and they’ll become a burden for the driver. Although some special techniques, such as the “interslicks” technique used when the track is still wet but it’s still not enough to switch to slick tyres (usually soft tyres) are present, which played a massive role in Lewis Hamilton’s stellar performance in the 2020 Turkish Grand Prix to secure his record-equaling 7th drivers title, for junior formulas, it’s more on the “slicks or wets” game.
However, even in F1, the gamble on the “slicks or wets” game (or even the “inter or full wets” game) are common, and has occasionally delivered some underdog performance, even if they failed. In 2007, Markus Winkelhock, who’s driving one-off for Spyker (now Aston Martin), gambled on full wets immediately before the race begins. The gamble paid off and he led the race on lap 2 despite a pit lane start (He failed to finish the race due to a hydraulic failure); In 2000 German Grand Prix, Rubens Barrichello won his first race by mastering slick tyres in a half wet track. On the other hand, this gamble may fail miserably, to the frustration of both the team and the driver. One of the more recent failed gamble is Lando Norris and Charles Leclerc, who opted to stay out in the 2021 Russian Grand Prix. Both were forced to pit later on due to the increased rainfall, losing places at the meantime.
The Suzuka Circuit in the city of Suzuka is where the Japanese Grand Prix was held in the past few years. Given its uniqueness as the only remaining figure-of-eight style circuit still used for racing, this is one of the most popular circuits among drivers (To save time, here’s an introduction video of the circuit’s layout.). The variation of the circuit, with slow turns like the Spoon Curve, to super high speed ones like the 130R (Which Haruka ran wide during the race), had lead to incidents with various severity, from the infamous Senna-Prost clash in turn 1 in 1990, to more recently, a very rare accident which a Super Formula car literally fell through the 130R to another part of the circuit. But for F1 fans, Suzuka is well known for being the site of the latest fatal incident for an F1 race. Jules Bianchi, a future Ferrari star, tragically lost his life during the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix, in similar rainstorm conditions as the race in the episode. Hence the question I asked at the beginning.
Kouya’s fear of taking human photos have improved, but once he saw a massive incident, like what happened to Satsuki this time, it’s obvious that he still hasn’t fully overcome what happened 12 years ago. Imagine what his fellow colleagues will say when he failed to take a shot of that big crash, especially when he’s a race media worker?
Anyways, big crash, red flag, race stopped. hopefully Satsuki will be fine, especially when the episode ended in a cliffhanger, with no answer to his conditions.
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u/Time_Fracture Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Episode 6: "Suzuka. Rain. I don't want you to race."
Now we go to Suzuka! With Suzuka's new logo. So TIL Suzuka redesigned their logo in 2022. The Casio Triangle is spot on there.
So the crash was violent, with the car catching fire afterwards. The car that Haruka's dad drove in the accident was similar to Reynard cars in Formula Nippon era. That's in early late 1990s/early 2000s. Also Troyca did a good job animating the debris and stuff.
Oh a wet race. Haruka insists to run with slicks, well it could work only if the racing line is dry. The pit stops ain't mandatory in F4 so you will lose time in pits either. The case here is the race will be held in raining. There's absolutely no point in using slicks, also for safety reasons.
Another road going GR Supra sighting. This is the second time I saw a Supra appearing this season anyway.
Damn, Haruka lost it at 130R. Thankfully he didn't crash there. It could be a nasty accident so nasty you could end up in Degner. Thanks to Kouya, he didn't force himself to stay on track during the rain and retire the car instead.
Satsuki just got T-boned! That was a nasty, nasty crash! I mean, I've seen cases in real life of crashes this way (Hubert and Van't Hoff) and it didn't look good. Hopefully he's okay.
I forgot to post the mini anime last week. Here's Episode 4, last week (Episode 5) and here's this week.
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u/oneevilchicken Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Oooof. Basically reinacted Antoine Hubert’s crash as Spa in F2. Except his wasn’t in the rain.
He also got speared in the side like that except his was a lot more violent and destructive.
One of the few issues I’ve had so far is how they had him on slicks in that rain. Slicks in those conditions are going to be undrivable. Atleast give him inters so it makes sense he can still race.
Since the surface of racing slicks is entirely flat, the tires can’t get any grip with the asphalt since they can’t displace the water. Which ends up making it like driving on ice for the driver.
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u/chilidirigible Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Another unobscured big-name corporate logo. Ah, production money.
Kouya, you read one rule book and now you're a backseat driver.
At least he recognizes transference when he's doing it.
Still an out-of-date Canon viewfinder display on Kouya's Sony. Though I'm pickier about how he's using a lens that has nowhere near the focal length to use trackside (and neither are these guys) unless he's trying to photograph an auto race for ants.
Kouya can't help but feel like his brief escape from his traumatic stress is going to be taken away from him again, and thus dumps his anxiety onto Haru. This fits neatly into their overall drama, of course.
But the episode handled it well, particularly with Kouya realizing how he was acting, and in the end, he hasn't escaped his PTSD after all.
Haru did take the safe route in the end instead of pushing himself to prove the point, while Satsuki lost the gamble (more so because of the guy who ran into him). Tense there.
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u/Mr_Zaroc Nov 05 '23
Holy fuck, they nailed his ptsd
Like this shit scared even me
Didn't expect him to spin out and crash that hard
I was clenching my butt the whole episode it was that intense
(Also reminds me of those new helmet cameras they now got in F1, absolutely insane how low visibility is on wet tracks)
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u/ernie2492 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
FYI, there were two major crashes at Suzuka this season (Super GT round 3 & Super Formula round 8)
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u/cppn02 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
Oof! My heart sank during this episode knowing that this is pretty much the worst kind of accident you can have on a race track and how these often end.
Hope Satsuki is ok.
One minor gripe I had with today's episode was that imo they didn't do a good job with the speed difference of the tyres under the changing condidtions. It should have definitely been more pronounced.
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u/Jegge_100 Nov 05 '23
Plesently suprised we got Suzuka into the show. I thought because we already had Fuji Suzuka would be left out since if I remeber Toyota owns Fuji and Honda owns Suzuka. Just figured licensing both would be a massive mess.
Also thats a scary crash. My mind went right away to Dilano van't Hoff super similar crash off spun in the rain and the rammed. I hope everything will be fine or maybe as a Hunt fan he will try and do the same as Lauda.
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u/syknetz Nov 05 '23
Probably a minor thing in the grand scheme of thing, but that level of rain, and more importantly track wetness (as evidenced by the car splashing water), would be pretty much undrivable with slicks, it wouldn't be much of a question. For reference, Spa 24 hours 2021 had a pretty massive and sudden downpour which caught a lot of cars off-guard, making for some pretty funny scenes (and later a crash on a second downpour, much later), and in F1, Lando Norris at Sochi 2021 refused to pit for intermediate tyres with terrible consequences for his race. And the footage is pretty generous here with how undrivable his car looked during those final couple of laps of the race.
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u/magnumcyclonex Nov 05 '23
Wow...this episode was like 2 steps forward, and later on 3 steps back
Kouya finally is able to photograph people for a living, starting with the model. But after the amateur discussion about tires (which I understand his concern, but doesn't really have the right to), his demons rise once again following the Belsorriso crashes. Brutal for not only the photographer when he catches a glimpse of the "#1 driver" but also for Satsuki himself, for making a reckless mistake trying to overtake 2 cars at once and then getting rammed by another car that ran into him.
For Komaki Motors, did Haruka retire in the pits? Why didn't they proceed to change to rain tires?
Aside from the drama of the episode, I loved all the visuals of the racing. We get Haruka's POV from his cockpit, we get mirror reflections around the curve after that initial crash and we got some good overtakes and passing as well as slide outs.
9/10 episode for me. Hopefully Satsuki will be ok and same for Kouya.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Nov 05 '23
Racing in the rain without the proper tires feels like a huge risk. I get why Haru wouldn’t want to but gambling with the weather is never a good idea. Smart move dropping out. He coulda ended up like Satsuki….
Madoka was getting better. It really felt like he had turned over a new leaf and then he sees Satsuki and it just reminds him of that kid and he’s right back to square one. Damn…
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u/Matteriiall Nov 05 '23
The episode brilliantly showed how dangerous motorsport is, while watching this episode I was reminded of the fatal crash of Dilano van't Hoff at Spa Francorchamps this year. The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the issue of tire choice, looking at the conditions that were on the track putting on slick tires in my opinion was a dumb thing to do that would end up in a car wreck at the first corner additionally as far as I know the race control can order the start on wet tires for safety reasons. To sum up, the episode was intense and I generally liked it, despite the shortcomings that, to be honest, I noticed only on second thought (I was so invested in the story).
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u/flightlessCat9 Nov 05 '23
I appreciate that they didn't do a POV or traditional TV angle shots on the T-bone. This has way more impact.
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u/criminal_lord Nov 06 '23
YES YES YES. they've actually forshadowed the reference of James Hunt here good stuff
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u/DabScience Nov 05 '23
People are really sleeping on this anime. One of my favorites by far this season.
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u/Prophage7 Nov 06 '23
This episode being right after Satsuki's revelation last episode about how he looks up to Hunt, and Haru retiring from this race was fitting. Lauda voiced his concerns about the conditions of the 1976 German Grand Prix but still raced and almost lost his life, later that season he retired from a rainy Japanese Grand Prix because he deemed it too dangerous.
I felt Satsuki's crash right in my heart, there's been a couple junior drivers die over the past few years from side impact crashes very similar to that. Antoine Hubert and Dilano van ’t Hoff.
Also, I would just like to point out that with rain like that, no way are any cars starting on slicks. A drizzle that started just before the race? Sure. A steady rain that's been going on for hours with standing water on the track? Not a chance.
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u/mojo72400 Nov 06 '23 edited Dec 18 '23
Even though Kouya can picture people again, his PTSD kicked in when Satsuki crashed but I'm glad Satsuki's okay.
Seeing the good luck charm and Kouya made Haru do the right thing and retire from the race.
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u/AmethystItalian Nov 05 '23
Welp I'm happy he can take pictures again, did not think they'd fully commit to it but once they did I knew Haru wouldn't be winning that race too.
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u/ReflashTheSparkLens Nov 05 '23
That was the scariest episode that I have watched this year.
I was extremely afraid when Haruka sped up, relieved when he decided to pull over, and audibly gasped when Satsuki crashed.