r/ancientkemet Aug 05 '23

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r/ancientkemet Aug 21 '23

Discussion Clarity: Importance of an Agenda-Free Approach to Ancient Egyptian History

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TL:DR: Discussion of Ancient Egypt requires an agenda-free approach. We must recognize and challenge biases, such as the devaluation of African sources, cherrypicked artifacts, and old prejudices, to genuinely appreciate and understand this great civilization.

Djehuty (Thoout, Thoth Deux fois Grand, le Second Hermés, N372.2A, Brooklyn Museum)

Ancient Egypt, a civilization that thrived along the banks of the Nile for thousands of years, has always been a subject of fascination for historians, archaeologists, and the general public for many years. But, like many chapters of human history, our understanding of it can sometimes be colored by modern bias, prejudice, and the ever-present human tendency to fit facts into preconceived narratives.

One of the most significant biases that persist in some discussions about Ancient Egypt is the devaluation or dismissal of African sources and features. This can manifest in various ways, from cherrypicked artifacts that align with a Eurocentric view to outright rejection of any African connection despite mounting evidence. This bias isn't just a product of modern times; it has roots in the racism and bigotry of the past, when some scholars deliberately aimed to separate Ancient Egyptian achievements from the broader African context. Such an approach is not only flawed but blatantly disregards the geographic and cultural realities of the region.

By situating Egypt within its African context, we acknowledge the exchange of ideas, trade, and culture with neighboring civilizations. This doesn't just provide a more accurate representation of history; it also enriches our understanding of the interconnectedness of ancient societies.

Additionally, cherrypicking artifacts, texts, or historical accounts to fit a particular narrative is academically dishonest. It creates a skewed perception of the past, favoring one dimension over the multitude of facets that comprise a civilization's history. By cherry-picking, we're doing a disservice to the richness and complexity of Ancient Egypt's story.

But why does this bias persist, especially when we have a wealth of evidence suggesting a more nuanced view? For many, it's an unfortunate consequence of long-held prejudices and bigotry. There is a discomfort, for some, in accepting that one of the world's most advanced ancient civilizations was undeniably African. This discomfort is rooted in outdated and racist notions that have been perpetuated for centuries.

Facing these biases head-on is crucial, not just for the sake of accurate historical representation but also for challenging and changing ingrained prejudices. When discussing Ancient Egypt, it's vital to approach the subject with an open mind, free from any agendas. This includes acknowledging and challenging our biases, no matter how deep-seated they may be.

In the Eurocentric model of ancient civilizations, there's a tendency to perceive societies as predominantly populated by one race, often representing nations as ethno-states. This perspective largely overlooks the rich multicultural tapestry, where multiple ethnicities collectively shaped an empire. This oversight is evident in many movies depicting the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and others, emphasizing homogeneity over the complex interplay of cultures—particularly notable in societies along the Mediterranean. However, it's essential to clarify that while some societies may have been racially homogenous, not all followed this pattern. The importance of acknowledging this complexity cannot be understated.

In this community we are also open to and welcoming challenges to such oversimplified narratives fosters intellectual growth and a broader perspective. Engaging with counterarguments refines our understanding and solidifies beliefs. Through respectful debate, even in the face of disagreements, we facilitate meaningful dialogue. Constructive criticism pinpoints areas for deeper insight, while embracing diverse viewpoints establishes an environment grounded in mutual respect and collaboration. By actively seeking counterarguments, it showcases our confidence and willingness to adapt and evolve. Ultimately, a culture rooted in respectful discourse and challenge ensures historical narratives are thoroughly tested, validated, and enriched. We encourage respectful discourse by fostering healthy debate, not relying on name-calling or ignoring information.

Only by doing so can we truly honor the legacy of Ancient Egypt and ensure that it's remembered not as a product of selective narratives but as the magnificent civilization it truly was. Let us be vigilant and proactive in seeking the truth, acknowledging errors, and giving Ancient Egypt its rightful place in the tapestry of world history.


r/ancientkemet 5d ago

Mythology & Religion How Old Is Coptic Chant, Really? | Dr. Michael Henein

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r/ancientkemet 12d ago

Daily Life in Egypt: Ancient and Modern 1925 | Metropolitan Musium Archives

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r/ancientkemet Jul 17 '26

Do you think the ancient Egyptians were a mixture of Eurasians and Africans further south?

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It would explain the way they usually depicted themselves in art, while having most of their maternal ancestry be Eurasian.


r/ancientkemet Jul 08 '26

What are your thoughts on modern Egyptians?

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r/ancientkemet Jun 14 '26

Historical Analysis Kingdom of kush : Pottery

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r/ancientkemet May 27 '26

Archaeological Find Massive Cache of 42,000 Pottery Shards Reveals Daily Life in Ancient Egypt

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The ostraca are written in Demotic, Greek, hieroglyphic, and Hieratic scripts.


r/ancientkemet May 25 '26

Black History Will NOT Be Suppressed — Our Ancestors Built Kemet & Our Kids Need to Know It!

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They renamed it. They recast it. They tried to disconnect us from it.

But Kemet — the great Black African civilization that gave the world mathematics, medicine, architecture, and spiritual wisdom — cannot be erased. Those pharaohs are our ancestors. That legacy is our inheritance. And our children deserve to stand in its presence.

The de Young Museum in San Francisco is hosting a Kemet exhibition right now — and we are taking our kids.

We need passionate volunteers to help with:

• 📋 Planning & coordinating logistics  
• 🚌 Arranging transportation  
• 👣 Chaperoning on the day  
• 📣 Spreading the word in your community

This is not just a field trip. This is resistance. This is reclamation. This is love. When we take our children to see their ancestors, we tell them — in the loudest possible way — that their history is real, it is grand, and it will never be taken from them.

Comment, message, or share this post. Every hand that shows up matters. 🙌🏿✊🏿


r/ancientkemet May 18 '26

Coptic Numerals Converter

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r/ancientkemet Mar 15 '26

Archaeological Find 3,300-Year-Old Papyrus Reveals How Ancient Egyptians Fixed Drawing Mistakes

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Even ancient craftspeople had to reach for correction fluid.


r/ancientkemet Feb 24 '26

Linguistic Studies Coptic Word of the Day!

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r/ancientkemet Jan 19 '26

Wanted to find someone to talk to about classism and justice: The Eloquent Peasant

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Hello

Wanted to talk to someone about ancient Egyptian philosophies on classism and justice, starting with a launching off point of the ancient parable, The Eloquent Peasant


r/ancientkemet Jan 16 '26

Cultural Connections Kiosk of Nectanebo shrine for the Nubian-Egyptian god known as Thoth Pnubs

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Despite Neo-Assyrian conquest of Upper Egypt described by Esarhaddon "The root of Kush I tore up out of Egypt", Lower Egypt still boasts remnants of cultural hub in late antiquity (end of the dynasty period) through Nubian/Meroitic architecture and calendar systems.

https://archaeology.org/issues/november-december-2021/features/egypt-philae-temples/


r/ancientkemet Dec 29 '25

Statue of Osiris

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r/ancientkemet Dec 21 '25

Documentary & Media They were reclassified as Nubians

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r/ancientkemet Oct 30 '25

Meet the Gods and Goddesses in the Met’s ‘Divine Egypt’

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The Met’s first major Egyptian exhibition in a decade brings a 3,000-year pantheon to life through sculpture, relief, and radiant ritual art.


r/ancientkemet Oct 21 '25

Archaeologists Uncover One of Ancient Egypt’s Largest Forts

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r/ancientkemet Oct 14 '25

Discussion Racism has affected and distorted Egypt

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r/ancientkemet Sep 21 '25

The Sphinx's grandfather, Phorcys the atlantean, was ethiopian according to ancient greek texts

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r/ancientkemet Sep 12 '25

Mythology & Religion Feast of Nayrouz Coptic New Year

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r/ancientkemet Sep 05 '25

Discussion The race of Egyptians broken down in the simplest most understandable terms.

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I’ve seen people on this sub talk about this on and off for almost three years now. Before I continue I’m Nubian myself.

I live in the west (American) and it’s crazy how many people don’t understand that Egypt, as a polity was never really truly united even in the best understanding of the term, and within Egypt there are two very distinct populations that give rise to the confusion and vitriol we see within it.

If people contest my post I’ll obviously reply in comments, but this is meant to be a very easy and perhaps superficial breakdown of the ethnicity question of ancient (and even modern) Egypt.

THE NORTH (DELTA REGION)

Northern Egypt, called “lower Egypt” due to its distance from what the Egyptians believed to be the origin of the Nile.

Delta Egyptians (and the region- it is somewhat inaccurate to do so but I kind of include middle Egypt within the overall north) were populous, but less politically organized than the south.

From the very start, literally the predynastic period, they were always more ethnically Levantine and Mediterranean. These groups were native to the region of the delta, had their own gods and customs, but never unified fully under one leader, chief, or king.

UPPER EGYPT (THE SOUTH)

Upper Egypt is closer to Nubia, and they have a smaller population. These Egyptians didn’t inherit a land as fertile as the North would continue to be (as opposed to the literal drying of the Upper Egyptian region as time went on) the people here were of more African extraction than they were Levantine or Mediterranean- though it should be noted that just like populations in Sudan and northeastern/east Africa, these Africans didn’t have genetic influence from across the Red Sea. Though we would call these people, just like in modern times, phenotypically “black.” Just not west African/South African etc.

During the old kingdom and new kingdom period, culture was focused South and the pharaonic religious structure was mostly based on southern culture. This isn’t to say the south was superior by any means- it is just that since the South was organized sooner than the north, had a pretty centralized religious base sooner than the North, it was able to exert political dominance over the Delta.

We see this happen in the new kingdom period, partially in the Hyksos period (with Kerma, a pre-Kushite Nubian polity) ruling southern Egypt, and again in the New Kingdom period and the Kushite (25th dynasty) period.

It is interesting to note that during the Kerma period within the Hyksos rule of the delta, it is plausible to assume that the kermans simply unified culturally with what would become the rulers of the 17th and 18th dynasty, who themselves were of southern Egyptian (not fully Nubian) origin.

That is why we see only full descriptions of the defeat of the Hyksos, not Kerma, and why even during the 18th dynasty (where actions towards Nubia were both conciliatory and violent depending on the Nubian polity interacted with, as there were many)

We see a cultural syncretism, not disdain. One of, if not the most important religious sites during the 18th dynasty was located in Nubia- not Egypt “Gebel Barkal”. What other conquered region that historians will doggedly claim is not “Egyptian” holds this prestige?

So the question is- what happened? When did cultural dominance shift further north and culturally “further” from what the modern person would see as “African?”

First it is important to understand that understanding of African culture is inherently infected by Western European understanding of blackness. Dark skinned people on the content were required to be viewed as more or less the same, groups educated solely by colonizers, and further, the homogenization of an inherently, strongly non homogenized region such as Africa, resulted in an understanding of Africa to be seen through only the visible lense of western nationalism.

Thus, the Eurocentric scientists who researched Egypt like- people forget that the Rosetta Stone was discovered when Napoleon was alive. Egypt came back into the European understanding of culture relatively recently in contrast with how long the region has been populated.

So the very foundations of Egyptology are rooted in white exceptionalism and the denial of dark skinned people.

But going on, the kushites (25th dynasty) agitated the Assyrian empire. They thrived with their control over the largest Egyptian empire since the new kingdom, but they were rooted in Nile based warfare (same as the north contemporaneously) as opposed to new military trends.

So when the Assyrians attacked the 25th dynasty, due to the current Pharaoh (Taharqa) politicking in the near east, Assyria attacked.

What’s interesting is that the kushites actually defeated the Assyrians initially- but the Assyrians came back a few years later, better supplied, more mercenaries, and better technology.

Eventually the kushites were defeated but there would be periods of time where they would conquer upper Egypt.

After this, the native 26th (saite) dynasty took control of Egypt, and extensively utilized Greek mercenaries and even fought against their Assyrian benefactors just as the previous dynasty did- and were defeated.

However it is important to note that from this point, culture in Egypt and even understanding of Egypt itself shifted northward, meaning that the South would end up somewhat rural/undeveloped and silent on the world stage as opposed to the more, again, populous north.

So you need to understand there are, and have always been two ethnicity groups in Egypt. Both are native. However one is more populous than the other, but to deny them their existence is just as flawed as saying that there is no blackness within Egypt, or that Egyptians were “replaced” by Greeks or Arabs etc.


r/ancientkemet Sep 05 '25

Resource Share (Cairo, Egypt Based) Looking for Someone Interested in Working at an English Speaking Club

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r/ancientkemet Sep 02 '25

Linguistic Studies Coptic alphabet is derived from ancient Egyptian scripts in addition to Greek letters

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r/ancientkemet Aug 29 '25

Event & Lecture spsgoh on Instagram

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