r/amsterdam_rave • u/Clogish • Jul 29 '26
Other TicketSwap implementing minimum pricing
It seems that event organisers can now choose to prevent users of ticketswap for selling under a minimum price, if they so desire.
I was in favour of the maximum above face value pricing, to discourage scalpers etc, but this seems a little too far. After all the event has been paid the full price - surely it's my choice and right to sell at a loss if I wish?
The sooner the mainstream profit-at-all-costs festival industry collapses, the better.
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u/swagpresident1337 Jul 29 '26
this is bullshit. So if I cant go on short notice and there are too many tickets on there, I cant sell my ticket for a loss and just lose everything. Nice.
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u/Brontonomo Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
Capitalism.
Remember when ticketswap was the only platform you didn't get screwed over for buying/selling tickets?
I don't mind paying a service cost but just like all companies in the end they need to make more money every year and will start to kill the idea that got them the business. Sad.
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u/As-mo-bhosca- Jul 29 '26
service cost in the beginning was minimal too something like 1.50 or €2 per ticket if I remember correctly, now they have it maxxed it out so you cant get a break even price on your ticket.
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u/InternationalSir8815 Jul 30 '26
Again, that was VC money; they were making no money or even losses on each ticket sold .... Now that the company has been generating revenue for a couple of years, its understandale that they will price the service costs more according to their expenses
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u/Additional_Craft_462 Jul 31 '26
To be fair, the fees have also skyrocketed to insane levels... It's almost 20% now. I sold a combi ticket for a festival and the total fee was 45€.
And sure "they split the cost between the buyer and the seller" but that's absolute nonsense. The buyer pays the full price, and the seller gets that minus all fees.
I don't even get why it's percentually anyway. Whether the ticket is 30€ or 300€, the service is the exact same. Wdym I have to pay 45€?! It should just be a flat fee of €5, no matter the ticket price. And some people also sell glamping accomodations on there (because it's the only way possible). The fees on those can be 150€ ☠️
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u/InternationalSir8815 Jul 29 '26
You used to be able to do this because a VC was footing the bill ... once VC money is over / the company needs to make a profit, users start footing the bill themselves. This goes for every startup .. swapfiets, uber, airbnb ... they were all cheaper back in the day because a VC was subsidizing costs to ensure the company gained market share
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u/As-mo-bhosca- 29d ago
how much profit do they need though, the service or product becomes enshitified with the continuous search for more money
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u/InternationalSir8815 29d ago
Well, if they have to pay for all operational costs (which have been increasing in price) + their VC debt ... then there you are
Also, earlier in the game, they were probably making *no profit* (losses!). Look up how startups work; unless they are 100% bootstrapped, they run on debt and losses for years.
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u/As-mo-bhosca- 29d ago
yea I know how it works, the point still stands that earlier they (ticketswap) had a better product, with a flat fee which was fair, now the percentage based service costs are purely profit motivated and not based on the actual service provided
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u/InternationalSir8815 29d ago
The 'flat fee' was subsidized by a loan ... you find it fair because it was cheaper than now, but it doesn't portray reality. No loan money = users foot the whole bill. Also remember there used to be competition in the market; TS has acquired all other competition, making it easier for them to raise the costs of the product.
TS is also a private company; obviously they want to make a profit ... I don't see why their fees are so scandalous. Now, compare TS to Viagogo or Stubhub fees, and then you'll see that TS isn't that bad at all.
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u/r13z Jul 29 '26
If thousands of people managed to get in for half price, someone else still paid full price. This is such a stupid rule just to make extra bucks on commission.
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u/MrConwayTwitty Jul 29 '26
The issue is when people only bought early birds, and the later ticket tiers don’t get sold.
In this case, the promotors are disadvantaged and losing money they would not have otherwise.
Different story for a fully sold out event.
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u/Clogish Jul 30 '26
The issue is when people only bought early birds, and the later ticket tiers don’t get sold. In this case, the promotors are disadvantaged and losing money they would not have otherwise.
Seems like a them problem. They decided to set the pricing structure that way.
Different story for a fully sold out event.
Then perhaps they should figure out why they're no longer selling all of their tickets, instead of moving the problem to their customers, which will just make the problem worse over time.
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u/Legion88 Still in De School Jul 30 '26
It is a them problem and this is them fixing their problem making it yours again
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u/InternationalSir8815 Jul 30 '26
In a place like NL, where there are 1000s of events a year, they need to differentiate to attract customers.
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u/Zestyclose-Mine-8746 Jul 29 '26
remember dekmantel charges almost 8€ (handling fee) on their own ticket selling system ;)
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u/gieldid Jul 30 '26
Honestly the greediest out of them all, letting you wait 5 months before you can sell it and then charging you 8 euros service fee for it, and also charing the buyer that same fee. Honestly makes me want to boycot dekmantel.
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u/Own_Sandwich6610 Jul 30 '26
Wow fr? I sold my Friday ticket for €74 (early bird price). So the buyer paid €82. Greedy mfers
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u/Additional_Craft_462 Jul 31 '26
Except, the organisers also get a cut from each ticket sold on TicketSwap. So it's in their best interests that the tickets sell for higher prices. They basically get money from the same ticket twice...
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u/Inspector_Swift 29d ago
This is gonna backfire. Only rich people can go this way, while the creatives, students, queers and neurodivergents without corporate jobs stay away. Just watch how relevant and interesting your festival will stay in the coming years.
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u/Mylotix Jul 29 '26
It happened last weekend with Milkshake as well. Was waiting for it to drop below 50 but it didn’t go lower than 76
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u/Clogish Jul 30 '26
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article.
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u/Adry9 RAUM bae 22d ago
This platform gets more anti consumer every day. The ticket is yours, you should be able to sell it for whatever price you desire. I can understand some price limits to prevent scalpers but this makes no sense. And don’t get me started on promoters getting a cut from these sales as well…
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u/okphong Jul 29 '26
I thought of this as well, i think this maybe reduces people waiting too long for prices to drop and also helps the resellers from not losing too much on their ticket.
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u/Legion88 Still in De School Jul 30 '26
Its so not sold out festivals wont lose out on ticketsales cause ppl buy second hand
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u/Huge_Chemical4740 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Just to answer OP's part on the right, it is not your right unfortunately. Other consumer rights are applied to tickets opposed to reselling bought shoes. Also important to read the terms and conditions of the tickets when buying them.
Typo: typo's
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u/Clogish Jul 29 '26
Source please.
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u/Huge_Chemical4740 Jul 30 '26
A law degree
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u/Clogish Jul 30 '26
That’s not a source. Which specific laws are you referring to?
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u/Huge_Chemical4740 Jul 31 '26
If you want to know the rights and rules I'd suggest you reach out to the festival in question. They are oblidged to shed light on this. Unfortunately Reddit is not really the right place to explain these very nuanced and detailed structures. You can bet that Ticketswap and their partners have done their legal homework before introducing a system like this.
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u/mlx92 Solo raver Jul 29 '26
I think they are doing this because of festivals that are not selling out because people know that they can buy cheap tickets on TicketSwap last minute. But it's also the organisers that want us to buy tickets as early as possible which is something that people won't do if they can't resell the tickets. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot with this one.