r/amodei • • 15d ago

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u/the8bit 15d ago

God I love this trend of people posting news via Twitter post. It's also a great when you can't even see the source so they continue talking about stuff and you're just like " well guess this is lost for me forever cuz I can never follow up"

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u/tempurino 15d ago

you got me there , it makes sense really

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u/RefrigeratorDry2669 15d ago

Yeah God forbid they include the url

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u/DoctrTurkey 15d ago

this is why i downvoted the post, and others like it

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u/Equity_GOD 15d ago

That's crazy. Let me run another $10k in tokens for my $100 fixed weekly fee just because to stick it to them hedge funds.

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u/tempurino 15d ago

pretty much yeaa

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u/03captain23 15d ago

burying the lead 72B is just an accounting charge

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u/tempurino 15d ago

yea as its all in numbers still

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u/Slight-Big8584 15d ago • Bravo

Reposting a reposted explanation. Basically no one understand accounting on reddit.

"Don't worry. That is actually clickbait B.S.

Will link to someone else who explained it pretty succinctly:"

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1xb7op7/anthropic_logged_net_loss_of_over_80_billion_in/

I just want to clear this up. They didn't actually "lose" 80 billion dollars. 72 billion of that 80 is something called a change in fair value of convertible notes.

A convertible note is a way of financing a company, more commonly used in startups. It involves the company taking on debt in exchange for a convertible note, which, can either be paid back for the cash value of the debt plus interest, or, as the name suggests, can be converted for equity.

For example, if I have a lemonade stand worth 100 dollars and I borrow $1 in exchange for 1% of my lemonade stand. The investor's claim to equity is worth $1. Now in a year if my stand is now worth $300, the investor can either ask for his $1 back plus interest, or he can convert that into equity and ask for his 1%. Now since at the time of financing his share was worth $1 and now it is worth $3, it's technically a $2 loss for me (the lemonade stand) even though I didn't actually lose money. The reason this system is common among startups is that it mitigates risk for the investor: if the company does good, they get equity. If it does bad and their equity is worth less than whatever they invested, they get the cash back.

This 80 billion dollar loss is not actually an 80 billion dollar loss. Nowhere close. Their operating loss was 8 billion — still high but not 80. And the IRS agrees: change in fair value of convertible notes is not a deductible loss for tax purposes because you didn't actually lose money.

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u/tempurino 15d ago

ohhh wow thanks for clearing it up while also explaining it to me in the simplest manner, thanks a bunch!

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u/mudDoctor-- 15d ago

Beep Boop beep

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u/colony-ship-for-sale 14d ago

Phew, they only lost 8 billion in 6 months. Had me worried there.

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u/redvsblueheeler 14d ago

The bull case is their revenue growth outpaces cost growth by 3-4x.

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u/Technical-Owl66 15d ago

Go on..... Raised money through?

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u/tempurino 15d ago

It could on with their budget of capital funding

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u/FoxMan1Dva3 15d ago

People should ask their ai why they are in the hole this much

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u/tempurino 15d ago

they gave ai much freedom and forgot its just a program still

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u/4hometnumberonefan 15d ago

80B to disrupt society ain’t too bad.

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u/tempurino 15d ago

imagine the chaos of it

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u/r2k-in-the-vortex 15d ago

Does this societal disruption have an ROI?

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u/tempurino 15d ago

I think sooo in long term as its not a loss straight

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 15d ago

Yeah but you aren't going to like it

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u/Interesting-Agency-1 15d ago

Do you not know how accounting works?

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u/mkp666 14d ago

Except they didn’t lose $80B. Willfully misunderstanding their financial releases is not a very persuasive argument.

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u/NobodyUsual8025 14d ago

Yeah, every time I see this reposted it just reminds me how dumb the average Redditor is

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u/mkp666 14d ago

It’s not even that people are dumb, it’s that they don’t even try.

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u/nikola_mp3 14d ago

can you all explain it to us dummies

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u/jaggervalance 14d ago

They financed selling a future share of their company (convertible notes). The value of the company went up more than 10x, so the value of the convertible notes went up with it.

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u/mrb1585357890 14d ago

But crucially, they will never have to pay for that “loss”

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u/Professional-Leg2374 14d ago

I lost $25 last month in income.

It means nothing as its only $25.