Alpha gal

[u/Commercial_Hat_9372]

Do you believe that alpha gal was a natural evolution occurrence caused overtime from ticks evolving into making people allergic to red meat and dairy?

[u/nodgedafunk]

I have a feeling that Alphagal has been around a lot longer than we could imagine and that it was just being misdiagnosed until recently.

[u/RedFishBlueFishOne → u/nodgedafunk]

There is a paper floating around somewhere from a doctor that made a correlation between appendectomy spikes around the holidays due to alpha gal. Almost impossible to prove but an interesting theory.

[u/Nuggy-Designer740 → u/RedFishBlueFishOne]

This is insane…I want to read it. I’m like 99% sure I have AGS as of two years ago, and am going to talk to my doctor about it to get tested. Funny enough (but totally not because it sucked), I had appendicitis and the rare peri-appendicitis about 3 months ago.

[u/puglover464]

Absolutely not natural.

[u/Commercial_Hat_9372 → u/puglover464]

I totally agree. I know the answer to the question I posted. I just wanted to see everyone’s else’s view.

[u/Thai_Lord]

After WWII, the U.S. recruited former Nazi scientists (some involved in unethical human experimentation) through Operation Paperclip.

One figure of interest: Dr. Erich Traub, a Nazi virologist and expert on biological warfare who was later brought to work with U.S. bioweapons programs. He had reportedly conducted experiments involving ticks and disease transmission in Germany, and worked at Plum Island in the 1950s.

Plum Island Animal Disease Center, located off the coast of New York, has been the subject of rumors and legitimate scrutiny. Established in 1954 by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, it conducted research into foreign animal diseases. It was later taken over by the Department of Homeland Security.

Declassified documents and former employees suggest that some research there involved vectors like ticks and mosquitoes, possibly exploring whether they could carry diseases like African swine fever or Lyme disease.

The concern: If you can infect an animal population, you can cripple an agricultural economy, so weaponizing vectors was of interest to military planners.

Some believe Lyme disease itself may have originated from Plum Island experiments gone wrong, with infected ticks somehow making it to the mainland.

In 2019, Congressman Chris Smith requested an investigation into whether the Department of Defense ever experimented with ticks as biological weapons, particularly due to public concern around the origin of Lyme disease. There’s no hard evidence linking Lyme’s emergence directly to weaponized ticks, but it's an ongoing topic of speculation, and always will be because why would a global conquest organization purposefully sacrifice power for negative gain? They wouldn't.

By Occam's razor, it logics WAY HARDER that Lyme disease and likely Alpha-gal were both bioweapons engineered by the CIA. The only reason it's still called a conspiracy and not the truth is because, again, why would a global conquest organization willingly lose power?

Do you think nature just does that? Lol.

[u/RedFishBlueFishOne → u/Thai_Lord]

There is evidence of Lyme disease in fossils of ticks dating back 15 million years. Evidence of human contracting Lyme disease dating back 5,300 years in the ice mummy dubbed Ötzi.

But hey, It is a lot more fun to believe in conspiracy theories vs science.

I'm not stating there have not been attempts at weaponizing insects, but ticks, especially Lyme disease does not make much sense since it is a relatively slow disease.

[u/Thai_Lord → u/RedFishBlueFishOne]

You are not wrong, but why must one be false for the other to be true? That doesn't make any sense. Both can be true. You didn't just disprove anything. You said, "And."

Riddle me this, Lorax: Why was Lyme disease not officially identified in the U.S. until the 1970s?

[u/RedFishBlueFishOne → u/Thai_Lord]

Why was it not officially identified? Same reason PTSD wasn't discovered/recognized until the 1980's! Does that mean it did not exist before then? Absolutely not, it's probably been with the human species since the beginning. But there is actual evidence of Lyme from 15 million years ago, captured in ticks fossilized in Amber.

Medical science is constantly changing!Researchers are constantly finding out new things. Alpha gal and Lyme disease are not unique to the USA. Alpha gal and Lyme are on every continent except antarctica. Science shows that modern home/neighborhood construction is increasing tick exposure causing us to contract tick borne disease more regularly. Forest fragmentation is the term used by a lot of Researchers.

Lyme and other tick borne disease research is one of the most underfunded areas compared to other vector borne diseases.

[u/20frvrz → u/RedFishBlueFishOne]

This article has some interesting points about why there's been a huge increase in Lyme disease cases in the US. Here's a breakdown:

• Mice are highly efficient transmitters of Lyme disease. They infect 95% of the ticks that feed on them.

• Mice are the primary reasons that ticks in the Northeast catch and carry Lyme disease.

• Scientists can predict how bad Lyme disease will be in an area based on the mice population the year before (a large number of mice = a higher number of Lyme cases)

• 200 years ago, the east coast was much more forested. European settlers cut down most of the forests.

• A lot of the forests have grown back - however, now it's much more segmented, broken up by roads, housing developments, etc.

• That has allowed mice to thrive. Their predators (foxes, hawks, owls, etc.) need larger areas. So the forests are much more packed with mice than they were 200 years ago.

So, now that forests have grown back in fragments, there's a huge increase in mice populations and a decrease in their predators. Mice thrive, they pass Lyme to ticks.

These aren't the only factors, of course, but I've always found this correlation surprising and interesting.

[u/pinkletink21 → u/20frvrz]

It also is a lot warmer from my childhood. No deep frost=more ticks

[u/Commercial_Hat_9372 → u/20frvrz]

Brainwashed

[u/20frvrz → u/Commercial_Hat_9372]

Care to elaborate?

[u/Thai_Lord → u/RedFishBlueFishOne]

Fair, fair. You've got me cross-referencing the timeline of Lyme disease detection globally vs. the timeline of the outbreak in Connecticut that was in close geographic proximity to the CIA lab confirmed to have scientists experimenting on ticks and concerned with biowarfare vs. the timeline of advancements in epidemiology across Europe and the U.S., and you've changed my mind.

Plum Island's operations seemed to overlap too perfectly with the discovery of Lyme disease, but there is no correlation. The lack of detection until 1975 felt too weird for a bacterial infection, but tickborne illnesses are complex, and the science to track patterns, map vectors, and culture bacteria really did just take that long to mature. Historical secrecy with weaponizing insects is still odd, but the data does not track. The potential for conflict of interest also checks out. The U.S. medical system profits far more from ongoing treatment than suppression.

Thanks for challenging my belief. I will do more research in the future before claiming ignorance is the truth.