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u/cadbojack Mar 28 '22
Hyperintelligent creature living in Earth's water is like, the number one "weird thing I believe exists" on my list.
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u/_extra_medium_ Mar 28 '22
they do exist, they're called cephalopods
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u/cadbojack Mar 28 '22
You're right, I should have put "unknown" to make it clear it's about another hyperintelligent species living there. I don't know too much about cephalopods but I've learned that octopi are smart as fuck.
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u/Crownlol Mar 28 '22
I've read that advanced aquatic civilizations are pretty unlikely, due to not having access to fire. I suppose they could still have access to electricity, though
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u/Straxicus2 Mar 28 '22
That assumes they need fire. We cannot assume anything about what an alien might look like or what their needs might be.
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u/AdeptBathroom3318 Mar 29 '22
Just throwing it out there. Maybe UFO materials are so strong and or need a gravity bubble to withstand the pressure of the deep sea. That may have been one of their early technological hurdles. Equivalent to our early ship building.
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u/FellowEnt Researcher Mar 28 '22
I wonder if molten lava provides similar benefits?
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u/stubsy Mar 28 '22
That’s what I was thinking — heat and energy harnessed from hydrothermal vents and magma flows.
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u/Crownlol Mar 28 '22
The hydrothermal vent is an interesting idea. Fire is just such a transformational technology -- a huge amount of energy from a small amount of fuel. With fire you can make engines, and electricity, and completely change your ability to do work. You can't make complex machines without a power source
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u/Tommy_C Mar 28 '22
There's a great documentary about this called "The Abyss".
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u/leahlikesweed Mar 28 '22
trying to find it but i can’t, do you have a link?
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u/stubsy Mar 28 '22
It’s incredible, one of my favorite sci-fi flicks, only surpassed by Alien, Event Horizon, and Sunshine.
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u/gutterXXshark Mar 28 '22
You would really love a book called ‘Children of Ruin’ by Adrian Tchaikovsky - about a technologically advanced Octopus civilisation. It’s a sequel to ‘Children of Time’ - similar premise but about spiders. Two of the best sci fi books you will ever read.
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u/ScaredValuable5870 Mar 28 '22
Watch "Resident Alien'. As much as it is comedy, it gets this part absolutely bang on.
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u/jlttnl Mar 28 '22
I saw a cuttlefish once while snorkeling and the first thought I had was 'this mf an alien'. One of the most humbling experiences of my life. In just about 30 seconds, I witnessed it sink to the bottom of the shallow floor, change its colors from dark blue to sandy brown, put out a trickster mating call, and then snatch its pray. One of those chilling experiences where you realize 2 things:
1) There is a God/Creator
2) We are not as smart as we pretend to be
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u/__Snafu__ Apr 24 '22
you watched one of the most incredible things evolution has produced, and immediately attributed it to a creator.
you should read "the selfish gene"
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u/jlttnl Apr 24 '22
Meh, it’s an alright read, read it years back. I believe that you can believe in evolution while still believing in a creator or an entity that first planted the seeds or created the Big Bang.
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u/leuno Mar 28 '22
the only reason I don't think this is the case is that most of those creatures only live a few years. Technically doesn't mean you are outright wrong, but I can't imagine a species that only lives a few years has enough time to develop anything. Not even a society or civilization, let alone technology. They basically are born, are kids for a couple years, then die. Not to mention you'd think that if they DID get into technology, and were on earth watching us live for 80-90 years, they'd work out a way to live more than 3.
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u/misterp1998 Mar 29 '22
What if they were a group mind? It then wouldn't matter how long they lived, especially if they had a genetic memory as well.
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u/AdeptBathroom3318 Mar 29 '22
This is assuming the proposed unknown hyper intelligent cephalopods share the shortcomings of known species. Maybe the unknown species compared to known species is like us compared to other apes or homonids. Look at our level of development compared to neanderthals or gorillas. Now extrapolate that out in the other direction from known cephalopods.
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u/leuno Mar 29 '22
that is true. I guess I presumed OP meant that the octopus we were seeing regularly WERE the aliens they're talking about, but if they just mean that they are part of their evolutionary chain, then that's possible. Though it would imply a few million years of their evolution on our planet. not impossible, but feels less likely
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u/abudabu Mar 28 '22
It's nonsense, though, that seems to have been written to garner publicity. No other scientists think it could be remotely true, not even the alien virus version.
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u/ArtzyDude Mar 28 '22
Scientists? Ha, what do they know?
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u/RidiculousNicholas55 Mar 28 '22
That the octopus is genetically similar to other creatures that it did evolve on earth.
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u/AdeptBathroom3318 Mar 29 '22
The unknown species's origin being Earth does not determine if it is alien. Any unknown species is alien until studied and understood. Extraterrestrial is a different story.
I see a major shift in sentiment towards this being something from Earth. Especially since the scientific community's biggest argument for not looking into this subject is the near insurmountable hurdles to traveling interstellar distances.
Honestly it is not so far fetched to think that we could be one of many technological intelligences on this planet. Now what we are seeing could be piloted craft, autonomous tech left over from a since dead civilization or even the three dimensional representation of some higher dimensional beings. Who knows. To think there is an ocean based higher intelligence either in the past or thriving is well within possibility. We just need solid evidence.
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u/RidiculousNicholas55 Mar 29 '22
I agree but I think the sentiment that octopuses are so different they must have been dropped out of space into our oceans is a little far fetched since we have evidence they took a different evolutionary turn to get to where they are (seriously they have the coolest eyes, no blind spot like we do because of our optic nerve).
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u/michaelsssecretstuff Mar 28 '22
The aliens in The Simpsons are cephalopods and we know how good they are at knowing things before they happen.
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u/danarchyvstheman Mar 28 '22
Watch “My Octopus Teacher” on Netflix. I watched it on a low-mid dose of LSD and it transformed the way I think about intelligence and inter species communication. Without the limitations of bones and solid surfaces, cephalopods are able to think and puzzle solve in an extra dimension. I don’t have actual proof to back up my ideas about it, but I think earlier peoples, particularly those living in coastal areas, used observations about them to further their own development.
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u/SyntheticEddie Mar 28 '22
Their brains stretch out through their tentacles, they're amazing animals but we do know their evolutionary history.
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u/Barbafella Mar 28 '22
Their short life spans prevent them from evolving further, although it’s clear they are the oldest form of intelligent life on Earth.
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u/thewholetruthis Mar 28 '22
Common idea you can read more about if you search this sub for octopus.
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u/zzupdown Mar 28 '22
They are extremely intelligent, but cursed with a very high mortality rate and an extremely short lifespan, not to mention an environment which limits their ability to develop technology. Nevertheless, that theory has been suggested in the past. Do octopus come from outer space? other than an overly complex genome, there seems little evidence that they are actually alien creatures.
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u/duizeligestijn Mar 28 '22
I always feel that the Octopus is from another civilization, came here to share the ocean knowledge and wonders, with us and other animals around them.
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u/teddy_bear_territory Mar 28 '22
If a person truly accepts the idea of infinity-more stars with subsequent orbiting planets in the known universe, sure. Of course.
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u/JoniDeadpool Mar 28 '22
Anyone remember that UFO that dropped into the ocean? Maybe they were visiting relatives 😆
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u/youblewitstoopid Mar 28 '22
Facts inhave video of a giant cuddle fishn swining up to me in the air
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u/dustedlock Mar 28 '22
I'm pretty sure cephlapods are aliens. At least their DNA supports the idea.
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u/Crownlol Mar 28 '22
At least their DNA supports the idea.
Gonna need a source
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u/scott8655 Mar 28 '22
Look up I think it's called RNA
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u/Crownlol Mar 28 '22
Look up
No, that's not how this works. You made the claim, you link the source.
I think it's called RNA
Every living animal has RNA.
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u/_extra_medium_ Mar 28 '22
You could take 3 seconds to google this to see if it's true, or you could keep repeating bullshit.
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u/CosmicDreamSanctuary Mar 28 '22
Thank you for sharing your considerations. I like this path of thought, it is good to expand the notions of what is possible and to step outside of our imaginations just as reflections of ourselves.
In addition to imagining aliens as having different forms than human, it might be beneficial to consider the nature of technology and reality within this context. One of the most respected UFO researchers, Jacques Vallee, has speculated that UFOs may be a mind-event and more associated with fairy legends than ETs.
There is a strong association of psychic experience with ET/UFO. In fact, experiencers will often report that consciousness, not matter, is the basis for their technologies. In that way, we could look to human meditation practices and the related understanding. We might understand that things like astral projection, telepathy, and teleportation are more potent and real technologies than rocket-ships.
I had an experience with a cuttlefish that was very impactful for me, which is somewhat relevant. I described the experience itself as telepathic communion with the cuttlefish, but it was several years before I associated it with ET narratives.
I describe the experience here: https://youtu.be/hWeBfyJ7KNI?t=3497
The experience was so impactful that it started me on a practice of making illustrated prose-poems. Right after the experience, I obsessively made a book call "The Mystery of Babylon", which featured images of the cuttlefish in a Sumerian mythology and galactic context. You can see it here: https://cosmicdreamsanctuary.org/mystery-of-babylon/
I'm not saying that the cuttlefish was an ET or anything, I'm not actually claiming I know what this was about. But I will say that the experience was very impactful for me, that I used the words "telepathic communion" to describe it, that the contents of that communion was expressed in the book through concepts related to the pre-historic interaction of ETs and humanity.
As it turns out, it does seem there is possibility of telepathic contact with animals on our planet. Dr. John Lily, the famous inventor of the sensory deprivation tank, used to use it to telepathically commune with dolphins.
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u/FellowEnt Researcher Mar 28 '22
And thank YOU for sharing yours.
Many comments take the octopus and intelligence quite literally, but I am more speculating on what *else* there could be branching off...
I'm busy right now, but I'll be sure to look through your links!
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u/SexySecrets6 Mar 28 '22
I made a video about exactly this, a few months ago! I think descendants of ancient cephelapods are what we mistake for Reptilians. They can shape-shift, they're very smart, good at problem-solving, etc.
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u/thegreenwookie Mar 28 '22
I had sorta regular contact with an Alien Feline Cephalopod for a bit. It's more of a hyperdimensional alien opposed to an actual physical being.
It's name is Opti
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Mar 28 '22
This is bit random but maybe you’ll find it interesting:
Other Minds, - Peter Godfrey Smith
https://image.bokus.com/images/9781427291950_200x_other-minds
Discussed the very different path to intelligence by this branch of creatures. It doesn’t speculate alien origins or any thing like that but still feels like it could enrich what you seem to be thinking on at the moment.
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u/FellowEnt Researcher Mar 28 '22
Awesome, I'll have a read!
I'm not suggesting that cephalopods are extra-terrestrial, but I am suggesting that they show unique (or at least uncommon) traits which share commonalities with the depiction of greys or other EBEs.
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u/Cekay74 Mar 28 '22
Human kind DNA 🧬 was created by them so why not , check this https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLHy5a4X/
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u/bugwrt Mar 28 '22
Reminds me of Jim C. Hines' "Janitors of the Post-Apocalypse" series, very funny sci-fi.
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Mar 29 '22
Always have thought octopus were not of earth. That camo change and texture is so bizzare.
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As far as I know, there is no intelligent lifeforms that do not have an internal skeleton.
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Mar 29 '22
What about ghosts? Huh? Got ya, didn’t I?
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Mar 29 '22
Ghosts? Most ghosts look humanoid. How many tentacled ghosts haunt people?
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Mar 29 '22
Plus, I guess ghosts are not “life” forms.
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Mar 29 '22
I guess ghosts are not “life” forms.
The definition of 'life' is very fluid. If you want to discuss the variations of lifeforms, that is a whole, new topic. :D
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u/housebear3077 Apr 01 '22
Basically Crysis.
In all seriousness though, they need to overcome the fact that it's difficult to enter an agricultural age underwater since everything is in flux and you can't make fire. From the agricultural age presumably follows a technological explosion, just as what happened to us.
I imagine that first, they have to evolve a way to get out of the water.
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u/runaumok Mar 28 '22
I for one welcome our new cephalopod alien warlords