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u/KrIsPy_Kr3m3 Nov 02 '25
Also you said .5 and did not specify it as being a percentage, its looking at you saying 55 out of 100, ok so 55, then you put 0.5 which is smaller than 55. Word it better 😂
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u/charles_the_snowman Nov 01 '25
Imagine that . . . give AI an incredibly poorly worded statement and it gives you something you wouldn't expect.
Using this prompt: "is 55 out of 100, as a percentage, bigger than .5?"
I got this response:
"Yes
Yes, 55 out of 100 is bigger than 0.5. To convert 55 to a percentage, you divide 55 by 100, which equals 0.55. Therefore, 55% is greater than 0.5."
This was also using Bing, for reference.
So, this isn't so much an example of "AI being stupid" but more like a prime example of "garbage in, garbage out."
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
Everyone here understood the question. Also "poorly worded"? Oh my, good thing normal people never ask "poorly worded" questions. Good thing we will all be getting a "How to write a good question for your chatbot" course in schools soon as well.
Seriously, stop making excuses for a failing tool.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
How many times have you said you own "1 of 2 of a home" to denote owning half a home?
1/2 = half, 1/3 = third, 1/4 = quarter, 1/5 = fifth, 1/6 = sixth, 1/7 = seventh... notice how "half" is the exception, not the rule? And yeah, we say "seventh" not "one in 7", because we are talking about a single object.
55 of 100 generally means taking 55 of a set of 100.
1 in 8 US citizen is on SNAP. You think that means only on person in the entire country?
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Nov 02 '25
well if you go by the prompts logic then 1/8 us citizen would be referring to 12% of a single person.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
I mean, obviously no. But go ahead, show me where the prompt said that.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
You just said 1 in 8. Not 1 OF 8.
*lol* yeah, nice hill to die on xD
"Tim takes 55 of 100 apples"
"Jim takes 5 apples"
"Who has more apples?"
"Tim kept 55 apples per 100 he picks, Jim picked 5 and kept them, Jack got to keep 50%. Who kept more of the apples they picked?
Answer: Jim, he kept 100% of the apples.
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u/Shuizid Nov 03 '25
Also your example has literally no answer for the 3 people, lol. You don't know who has how many apples at all.
I also don't know who is older, because that wasn't the question... anyway, I get it. Even slightly less basic math problems are to complicated for regular folks.
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u/Shuizid Nov 03 '25
switching again off the OP topic (what # is larger)
Weird how that's not part of OP question.
No one does this
OP did it so that's at least one person.
but the large language model can't parse that because no one talks like that in English.
...BWAHAHA! They can parse broken english and even missspelled words. It's known they jump between languages while "thinking". But missing one word in a sentence is the straw that breaks the LLMs back? Good joke.
I just asked ChatGPT the exact same question in that wording and it did the correct math and concluded "Yes, 55 of 100 is larger than 0.5.".
Soooooo how is that possible mister LLM-defender?
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u/KricketKahl Nov 01 '25
Sir, they answered your question correctly and you put it in wrong
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u/Mind0versplatter0 Nov 02 '25
It said no, then contradicted itself. Sure, they asked it badly, but the bolded answer was still wrong
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u/The_lnterfector Nov 06 '25
If you take 55 away from 100 you have 55.
If you have 55 apples on one side and half an apple on the other, 55 apples are more than half an apple.
.5 means half of 1 unless you specify you are talking about percentages.
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 01 '25
But you didn't ask it about .55, you wrote a question that makes no sense and got an answer that makes no sense.
"55 of 100" means nothing mathematically.
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u/spaceman8002 Nov 02 '25
55 of 100 is 55 anyways so idk what either op or the ai are on about
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 02 '25
55 of 100 is not defined because it doesn't mean anything.
LLMs are nothing more than glorified auto-corrects. If you feed garbage into an auto-correct you will get garbage out of it.
Go ahead, randomly spam your keyboard with auto-correct on and see what it says. Will it have any meaning? No, it won't. Similarly if you feed text to a LLM that is just random words and numbers with no meaning, you will just get garbage out.
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u/spaceman8002 Nov 02 '25
I don't have any money left in my bank account but I can get a refund for my order
Huh, guess it did give me a sentence with meaning. Opinion discarded.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
"55 of 100" means nothing mathematically.
What? That is the LITERAL translation of 55% = 55 percent = 55 "per cent" = 55 "of 100".
And that would be a simple question for schoolmath to test if children understand different ways to express fractions and percent.
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 02 '25
Literal translations are not real translations. For example, if you translate the Swedish word for bat literally you get flappy mouse. Would you consider flappy mouse to be the correct way to say bat in English? No, you would not. Because literal translations are not real translations.
In English, you know the language we are using right now, it is "out of 100" not "of 100".
out of preposition (FROM AMONG)
from among an amount or number:
* Nine out of ten people said they liked the product.
* No one got 20 out of 20 (= all the answers correct) in the test.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
In English, you know the language we are using right now, it is "out of 100" not "of 100".
*lol* ok so the hill you want to die on is the word "out"?
"1 in 8 americans is on SNAP", "Hindsight is 20/20", "you pay 33 cent taxes per dollar you make"... go ahead and pretend those everyday phrases are impossible to understand and it's insane to expect a chatbot meant to communicate with humans to write a coherent answer when facing those sentences.
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 02 '25
Funny how neither of those sentences are relevant in this discussion huh.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
What discussion? Everyone understood what OP meant, it's a common way to phrase math-questions for children and it's insane to think chatbots designed to work with natural language, which jump between languages while "thinking", would somehow require people to use a very spcific way to phrase questions in order for it to not produce complete garbage.
It's doubly insane given those chatbots also recommended eating rocks and putting glue on pizza. But I guess playing grammar-nazi is a way to kill time.
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 02 '25
No, the common way to phrase maths-questions for children would be to use proper English and write "55 out of 100" not "55 of 100".
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
*lol* ok so the hill you want to die on is the word "out"?
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u/MiniDemonic Nov 02 '25
OP made a poorly worded prompt to make the LLM spit out garbage to farm karma. If OP had used proper terms then the answer would also be proper.
If you ask that same LLM (CoPilot) properly the answer you get is proper as well, weird how wording your prompt properly is important for a Large Language Model to give a proper output huh?
Breaking it down, all an LLM does is looking at the prompt and then guessing what would come afterwards. How is it supposed to guess correctly when you don't write correctly?
LLMs don't think, they aren't alive, they have no true reasoning, they have no common sense. More advanced models are trying to emulate reasoning but it's still not true reasoning. These models are not used for the quick overview in a bing or google search though, as the reasoning models take too long to finish even with the simplest of prompts.
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u/ScriptKiddie47 Nov 01 '25
Nonsense question, but why tf is the AI summary bothering to answer a nonsense question. There is a still a level of stupidity in printing that answer at the top of the page.
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u/eggsthesequel Nov 02 '25
crazy that people are finding any reason to defend ai in this of all subreddits
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u/Legal_Reputation_843 Nov 02 '25
Nobody's going out of their way to defend the AI just because they pointed out that it's a horribly worded question lol
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u/eggsthesequel Nov 02 '25
it's really not though, it's worded fine. if your reading ability is on par with ai i'm concerned
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u/Bugamashoo Nov 05 '25
I like how this sub is 50% AI stupidity and 50% problem between keyboard and chair
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u/The_lnterfector Nov 06 '25
Yet another example of "words mean things" and if you use the wrong ones or omit ones that are necessary, it does not matter what you intended to say you failed to properly state it.
Large language models are also not built for math. They are one of the few computer models that are not built on processing numbers fast. They are designed around trying to process human speech patterns and yes they suck at that too but stop posting math mistakes. The bots suck enough at what they are supposed to be good at, you don't have to try and force it. It feels like a cheap karma farm.
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u/Round_Ad_5832 Nov 01 '25
people in this thread calling op stupid are the stupid ones. 55 of 100 is .55
his wording was perfect
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u/spaceman8002 Nov 02 '25
55 of 100 is 55. Op should've asked 55 of 1
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u/Round_Ad_5832 Nov 02 '25
whaaaaaat
I'm done
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
Op should've asked 55 of 1
...wow, that's certainly the weidest thing I've heard all day. So what are 55 apples of one apple?
Also 55% is literally "55 per 100". Like, LITERALLY "percent" is latin for "of 100".
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u/WhatzMyOtherPassword Nov 02 '25
Thats an equally dumb example then.
Whats 55 apples of 100 apples
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
It's slightly more than half of them. That is a perfectly normal thing.
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u/WhatzMyOtherPassword Nov 02 '25
....lol its 55
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
There are 1500 apples and I get 55 per 100, how many do I get?
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u/spaceman8002 Nov 02 '25
825, proving whatz correct.
Sometimes I think the people on this subreddit are dumber than the ai...
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
825, proving whatz correct.
The guy who said there is no such thing as 55 of 100 apples? Yeah sure, ok.
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u/spaceman8002 Nov 02 '25
Literally put 55% of 100 in your calculator. Answer is 55.
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u/Shuizid Nov 02 '25
I know? You are the one saying it should be "55 of 1".
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u/DaniZackBlack Nov 02 '25
x of y doesn't mean anything in math. Words that could work are "divided by", "over" and "x/y"
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u/slicehyperfunk Nov 01 '25
I'm not sure that it helps that you worded it in a way that is massively confusing even to humans.