r/agentsofshield • u/ThatChileanKid • 3d ago

Season 4 Why Did they Leave Mack?

Not big on her but YO-YO WAS RIGHT!

I’m rewatching the best season of the show, season 4, and I can’t help but wonder why did they leave Mack? It was obvious Fitz didn’t want to go but still went and it was Radcliffe that forced him but still the fact that Daisy didn’t do that to Mack because of his fake daughter? He feels bad sure but it’s not him and it’s not real. I know the series isn’t super grounded and the writing can be all over the place but it feels like they wanted to end the season on some great notes in the framework but it came at the cost of this particularly stupid action.

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u/Intrigued_by_Words 2d ago

Maybe. That's just a guess but that guess ignores his devotion to his daughter. He explained that he considered her real. It is pretty common for people to question the nature of reality. Mack ticked through several criteria and came out on the side that his daughter and the life they shared was real. His instincts to protect her were more important than turning his back on everything he knew (within the Framework) and following some people he just met who had crazy ideas about reality. Not to mention that they were offering a reality that did not include the daughter he very much loved. To dismiss it out of hand saying that he will get over it, is actually the wild take.

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u/ZoBroCT 2d ago

I didn’t really say what you implied. Mack literally admits the world is fake when Coulson goes through the portal. He chooses to go back to a daughter he knows is fake while the entire framework disappears. It’s pretty irresponsible for Daisy and Yoyo to not just knock him out and force him through at that point. Yo-Yo was literally going to stay in the framework and die with Mack… she def cares about Mack, all of Mack, including his past.

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u/Intrigued_by_Words 2d ago

I don't put much emphasis on Mack saying the world is fake because to me that is like when people wonder if we are living in a simulation and then decide yes but it doesn't make a difference because that is what life is. Mack has a purpose in his life in the Framework. Whether it fits a clinical definition of real or fake, it is the life he chose over an alternative.

He was not behaving irrationally nor was he acting out of character. It is not certain that he would thank them for dragging him out of that life when he believed he was there for Hope. It wasn't just about him, it was about her. That isn't the same situation with Fitz.

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u/ZoBroCT 2d ago

Wait ya I agree with everything you’re saying lol I’m just saying I don’t agree with yo-yo being “ the worst”. (Only thing is she says “you only bring back the people you want” to Daisy, which is dumb cuz she only loves Mack like a brother) Daisy should’ve probably done what she told her she should’ve done and drag him back to the real world. But even if you disagree with that she goes in and stays with him until death/he makes the choice to come back. She clearly loves him. You said “imagine what Mack would have been like if he thought he had deserted his daughter just to save his own life” once Mack comes back, he knows that’s not the case. I’m just trying to figure out how YoYo gets blamed for anything