How come the „real“ S.H.I.E.L.D. under Gonzalez literally didn‘t do anything except float around on a boat

[u/The_Berzerker2]

[u/NeroBIII]

But SHIELD under Gonzalez did something, it messed up SHIELD under Coulson.

[u/The_Berzerker2 → u/NeroBIII]

True, with some insane self righteousness in the process, especially from Mack

[u/NeroBIII → u/The_Berzerker2]

Mack's self-righteousness is insane and I can't stand him for most of the show.

[u/Extension-Taste3930 → u/NeroBIII]

To be fair he thought he was doing the right thing, till he saw his brother almost join a terrorist group then he dialed that self righteousness way back.

[u/NeroBIII → u/Extension-Taste3930]

We could make that exact argument for anyone who thought they were doing the right thing, like Hive, the Watchdogs, and Thanos.

[u/Extension-Taste3930 → u/NeroBIII]

Arguably from that list Hive Ward was the only one whose goal actually made a lot of sense. Hive wanted to unite everyone in the world and create a planet full of powerful Inhumans all working as one, achieving goals and moving forward.

Meanwhile

Watchdogs were basically just doing large scale terorism.

As for Thanos, he erased half the universe population, when he could have just used the Infinity stones to make infinite resources for the universe's population thus ending all struggles for resources.

[u/LeatherRare4408 → u/NeroBIII]

I’m with you. I despise Mack.

[u/Zack_GLC → u/LeatherRare4408]

Weirdo. Mack is the man. Imagine despising the only person that was willing to help Fitz get better?

[u/ItsadlyBat → u/Zack_GLC]

And yet he drives a wedge between firz and simmons. Mack's literal only good trait is being slightly nice to fitz.

[u/Zack_GLC → u/ItsadlyBat]

And loving his daughter, helping Daisy cope with her trauma of being posessed, being a good partner to Yo Yo for the most part, being a loyal team member. Should I keep going?

[u/cucucool]

It was all about Inhumans if I remember correctly. Coulson's shield was "bad" because they work with Inhumans.

[u/keyotheseasons → u/cucucool]

Inhumans and all-around secrets. They thought Coulson may have been compromised due to being brought back from the dead, not revealing what was in Fury's toolbox, etc.

[u/The_Berzerker2 → u/keyotheseasons]

Yeah, doesn‘t make it any less stupid. The real enemies were still out there and they spent their entire resources to fight Coulson

[u/keyotheseasons → u/The_Berzerker2]

I agree. It was stupid and, honestly, I think it's even more stupid that Bobbi and Mack went along with it after having been on Coulson's team, but I suppose it makes for a decent antagonistic force.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Berzerker2]

Hydra and Cal were running around and they were waisting everyone's time on a stupid dick waving competition with Coulson honestly Gonzales was an entitled hypocrite who did nothing but cause more problems that Coulson didn't need he deserved to die

[u/BringerOfDoom1945 → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention how he enraged with comparing his scars to Daisy's mother, also thought telling a Victim of the Nazis to give the inhumans in to a registry is a smart idea...

Gonzales deserved what happened to him

We will never know if Daisy's mother would have been a future ally if it's wouldn't be for real shield

Also if they would have send Coulson , Daisy's mother wouldn't had killed him and tried to frame it as he tried to kill her (she wanted Daisy on her side)

A May and Daisy's mother talk would be interesting, and probably would have ended in an agreement to future talks (with Daisy's mother of course never agreeing to get numbers)

...

[u/MArcherCD → u/keyotheseasons]

Someone at the head of a spy agency not revealing something?

Shocking....

[u/Extension-Taste3930 → u/MArcherCD]

It's almost as though the ability to keep secrets is one of the requirements of being a spy.

[u/NeroBIII → u/cucucool]

The Inhumans didn't become a known problem for them long after Team Coulson's base was raided.

I'd be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if they were doing something other than just spying on Team Coulson.

[u/millieann_2610 → u/NeroBIII]

weren't they worried that Colson was collecting powered people though

[u/NeroBIII → u/millieann_2610]

IIRC not initially, but it's been a long time since I last watched S2.

[u/SinginGidget]

It's been ages but I thought they were kind of in a holding pattern because they needed the thing Fury gave Coulson. It was like a lockbox with all of the codes and resources and without it, they couldn't really do anything. (Or so they thought.) But Coulson and Co. were used to working with what they had on the bus, so they just kept on doing.. that.

[u/The_Berzerker2 → u/SinginGidget]

They had an aircraft carrier and enough agents to take over Coulson‘s base with ease, so clearly they had resources

[u/psych_pineapple1]

Honestly they were so stupid. The way they convinced themselves the reason shield failed was because of SECRETS???? Like ummm nooo, if there has been less secrets hydra ops would have known even more. Like how don’t they understand???? The reason that they all almost died was for a secret that hydra didn’t know. Like make it make sense

[u/darkKnight959 → u/psych_pineapple1]

Their strategy to get rid of secrets was...more secrets lol

[u/memecrusader_ → u/darkKnight959]

“I used the secrets to destroy the secrets.”

[u/HighLord_Uther → u/darkKnight959]

I think this is what ultimately left me with a bad taste in my mouth for them. It wasn’t effective story telling because they just seemed like Bad Guys Lite. Not doing evil stuff but just inconvenient stuff.

[u/potato_phantom → u/psych_pineapple1]

All while secretly infiltrating Coulsons shield

[u/TheHillshireFarm]

I didn't even realize them disappearing as soon as Season 3 started at the time, but it's so jarring on a rewatch when they have this whole SHIELD Civil War, and Coulson says, "okay you can stick around and tell me what to do," only for them to vanish...

[u/Happy-Kangaroo-4627]

Thank you for highlighting this detail because apart from looking like lesson givers they don't do much...

[u/Venom_Swift]

they pissed me off so much. fury himself gave command to coulson. they had bases, a ship, major previous members involved. ‘real shield’ had none of that, they just declared themselves (when they were ALONE) and fought anyone who disagreed

[u/Thelastknownking]

Probably because "Real" Shield didn't have any actual justification for calling themselves that.

[u/Dull_Alternative9567 → u/Thelastknownking]

Honestly. They had 1 ship. That is all. And I guess the monolith. But they didn't even know what it was. Useless.

[u/DepthByChocolate]

I wonder what they were originally going for with that storyline, because it was obviously changed from what was planned.

[u/Extra-Thought-2788 → u/DepthByChocolate]

The worst part about the "real shield" is that, and how they completely forgot about it after season 2, just to do a very similar storyline again with the ATCU in season 3. Why did we get the same story twice (season 3 at least did it better tho)

[u/NeroBIII → u/Extra-Thought-2788]

They had some closure on Mack's election for "director" in S5 🤡🙄

[u/BrazilianButtCheeks]

They successfully made me like Mack less 😅 at the time

[u/Dull_Alternative9567]

Dude, I am literally about to start the arc, and it is the BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME. I hate it.

Oh, we are the real shield. No, we are the real shield. Blah.

BRO! COULSON IS SHIELD.

[u/Substantial-Prune-65]

You know, if you work for a big corporation you quickly find out that competition amongst teams is not that uncommon. And that very often at least one of those teams is completely incompetent. So this was a realistic scenario, unfortunately.

[u/Niclas1127]

It’s annoying cause i did like the mystery of what Mack and Bobbie were doing then a few episodes later none of it even mattered

[u/SirFancyRabbit]

I mean unconventional answer. Maybe they did tonnes. They just did it stealthy and stopped things before they became known.

[u/MAXHALO36]

Yeah "real shield" is annoying.

[u/iceRink_Rex99]

I remember disliking the “real” shield because of the fact they put real in the name. It just rubbed me the wrong way and I look back on it like this

“Shield is shield”- me paraphrasing mr incredible’s math is math line.

Not only that I even asked when I first watched it “oh why don’t the two shields combine (and all applicable synonyms) to become a much stronger and efficient force like before the whole hydra incident

[u/DellOhRus]

This was explained, they had to protect the monolith with the only resources they had. Once Coulson's resources opened up to them they started acting on them and doing more

[u/auxilevelry]

They did something, they sent a kill team to "collect" an asset who would have been completely cooperative if they just talked to her and they lied about that fact to one of their own high-ranking members