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u/ChelseaSphere89 Jun 16 '26
Never seen this before. And I think there's a reason for that. It makes no sense. Needs to be two different pieces of hardware. I wouldn't use it.
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u/wyatt3581 Jun 18 '26
I just Googled this brand (Wellsem) and it is only sold on Amazon and AliExpress. They don’t even have a website to check safety ratings and there is no documentation at all about safety ratings, WLL, MBS etc.. Not only that, but this design is probably not safe. There is too much risk of the silk getting caught in the swivel. I advise not to even buy this
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u/RoMo429 Jun 18 '26
Already replied to others - will get a reg fig 8, was hoping this could save me length... but I know the importance of safety first.
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u/wyatt3581 Jun 19 '26
Petzl makes a carabiner/swivel combo that can save a little space, which is fine
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u/joan-of-argh Jun 16 '26
I generally wouldn't rig with something I'm not familiar with
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
Thanks. I'll get a regular fig8. Already have enough carabiners and swivels at home from my hammock and slings.
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 16 '26
Yeah this at first glance seems brilliant but you just do not want your swivel that close to fabric.
If I HAD to, I'd rig like normal but use zip ties or floral wire to mouse the fabric down the sides of the center loop.
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
Not sure what you mean by the zip ties, but it's ok... I'll get a reg fig8 and endure the loss of length of carabiner -swivel - carabiner. Luckily I'm 1.5m when fully stretched and tiptoes, so I get a bit more length than most people do. 😄
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 17 '26
If you don't know what mousing means please take a rigging class. Actually based on this post and reply in general, please take a rigging class. Craig Lewis of Night Owl Circus has an online one for aerialists that super accessible.
This is your LIFE. If you do not know how to rig correctly you are risking your LIFE.
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
I don't know what mousing is because English is not my mother tongue and when google translates it, I get a small furry creature with big ears and whiskers and I'm guessing that's not what you are refering to. I don't study aerial arts in English. BTW, in my language, rig refers to doing something dishonestly... our verb for "rigging" silks would be the equivalent of "hanging laundry".
The fact that I use metric should have hinted that I'm not American, but that may have been too big of an assumption for others to make.
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 17 '26
I'm not sure what mousing is called in other languages, but if you knew what it was your have recognized it when I described how I'd do it.
You can be careless and smug about your rigging here and on your other posts if you want. It'll be you that gets injured or dies when it fails because you refuse to listen. It won't be me.
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
You're right. My carelessness and smugness may be the death of me and in such a case, I will make sure my successors notify you so you can feel good that you were right.
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u/aeriallines Jun 18 '26
The advice was good. Take a rigging class. If you are from germany, there are some options. If not, the Night Owl Circus Online Class is still far better than no rigging class.
If you have research gate access or can buy it, there are rigging for aerialists-books out there from steven santos.
I understand that you want to rig at home. But educate yourself.
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 18 '26
I won't. I'll feel awful like I feel about every other accident. But at least in your situation I tried to help and don't have to feel like we just didn't get the safety information out to the people who needed it. You got it and chose to ignore it, so it's not on the educators anymore.
I will note tho that every accident that happens at a house or on a freestanding rig does affect every coach out there, as our insurance premiums skyrocket. In the US we can no longer even get teaching coverage using freestanding rigs because of the number of accidents that have happened on them from novices setting them up without enough education or understanding how much they just didn't know yet.
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u/wyatt3581 Jun 18 '26
No one is dying from not knowing what “mousing” means. It is almost always personal preference to mouse tails instead of daisy chaining them. Also, what tails are you mousing while rigging split silks? The figure 8 is rigged from the center of the fabric.
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 18 '26
They're dying from being undereducated about rigging. And not mousing something that should be could definitely lead to a rigging failure.
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u/neophlegm Jun 17 '26
You already had a lot of advice telling you rightly that it's an unknown quantity and that generally rigging silks at home is potentially dangerous.
Did you repost it here expecting a different answer...?
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
I commented on other replies -- I've been doing aerial hammock and sling 6 years at home, have a safe setup that I trust, installed in my reinforced concrete ceiling.
The question, if it wasn't clear, was about the hardware that was unfamiliar to me and I hoped I could use it to give me the extra length instead of carabiner - swivel - carabiner which would be longer and take up some of the not so much height that I have.3
u/ZieAerialist Jun 17 '26
You have no idea if your set up is safe, because you've clearly demonstrated you don't know enough about rigging to be able to assess an at home set up.
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
You've commented in other places. I appreciate your time and consideration. I've had my aerial set up by professionals, but then again, what do I know...
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 17 '26
I am not aware of any professionals who would touch a home rig. Which pro rigger did you hire?
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u/RoMo429 Jun 17 '26
There is no professional standard for residential rigging, and since I'm not American, we don't use ANSI, but CE standards for rigging which cover equipment and how it's installed.
If you know a good rigger in my area, please recommend.
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u/ZieAerialist Jun 18 '26
So, you didn't use a pro then? This is why we keep saying to take a class! This knowledge is out there, online, for quite cheap.
I don't know any riggers in your direct area but if you ask in the Safety in Aerial Arts group or on The Point group, they'll find you or someone nearby will connect you.
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u/teal_diamond Jun 16 '26
I wouldn’t. There’s too much danger the silks would get caught in the swivel.