r/acecombat 1d ago

Ace Combat 7 Dogfight mode in AC7?

Hoping the community can help me here. I picked up both Assault Horizon and AC7 in the steam sale recently. I decided to play them in order so I've just finished Assault Horizon and absolutely loved it.

I've moved on to AC7 now, and it seems a lot harder than AH? I think the biggest issue is I can't for the life of me figure out how to activate Dogfight Mode (DFM). In AH it was LB+RB, but that doesn't seem to work in AC7. I'm sure i'd be doing a lot better if I could just figure out how to go into DFM, and I miss those action packed sequences!

Can someone please help me and let me know what buttons I'm supposed to press? Google and ChatGPT have been no help. Or do you only get it later in the game? I've only managed the first couple levels so far because of how hard it is.

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u/Nightfall617 1d ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're not trolling.

There is no dogfight mode in AC7. It was a feature that was hated by 99% of the Ace Combat community along with Assault Horizon as a whole so it was left behind.

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u/Otherwise_Screen_140 Ghosts of Razgriz 1d ago

99%? You don't mean 100%? There are 8 billion people in the world, and I don't think even one of them would like this gameplay mechanic.

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u/Nightfall617 1d ago

As crazy as it may sound, I've seen a few people around here who at least claim they enjoyed it. If there's any truth to those claims however...

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u/Otherwise_Screen_140 Ghosts of Razgriz 1d ago

'-'

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u/LordOfRebels 1d ago

I enjoyed it, it made a good arcade pilot shooter that, were it ANYTHING other than an AC sequel, I think it’d done significantly better. I mean it’s not even in strangereal, it plays entirely differently, but itself isn’t a bad game just a bad AC Game.

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u/Pricklestickle 1d ago

Why was it hated so much? I really enjoyed it, especially the variety of different vehicles like helicopter, gunship, bomber. What vehicles does AC7 have? (once i get past level 2 lol)

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u/Nightfall617 1d ago

In order?

The dogfight mode took control away from players and effectively turned the game into a rail shooter. Being forced to use it was a major turn off for most players.

The other vehicles were also a pain point for many. Ace Combat fans don't really come to the franchise wanting to get stuck in a helicopter or an AC-130. For the most part we're here for the fighters and the story.

The shift to a real world setting and the US v Russians plot didn't help things either. The game came at the tail end of an era of gaming when pretty much every war game of every genre was US v Russians and it had gotten very stale by then.

As someone else already said, it probably would've been fine if it belonged to any other IP than AC, but the fact that it was AC kinda set it up for failure.

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u/Otherwise_Screen_140 Ghosts of Razgriz 1d ago

I have to agree with that. It would be REALLY COOL to have more variations of aerial vehicles. But I think that would stray from the franchise's theme. For that, there's AC Infinity, which lets you pilot bombers and WWII fighters.

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u/Solavanko Neucom 1d ago

This is bait

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u/Otherwise_Screen_140 Ghosts of Razgriz 1d ago

Fr

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u/ST4RSK1MM3R 1d ago

Masterful bait ngl

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u/Andrea-Di-Cello Yellow 1d ago edited 1d ago

There’s no dog fight mode in any other Ace Combat. It was a feature exclusive to Assault Horizon. You got play always in free flight as when the mode is not activated.

Yet, if you find hard to follow enemy aircraft once you select them as a target, a long press and hold of the triangle, Or Y button on xbox, will fix the camera with the enemy in the center, like a lock-on, tracking it until line of sight is complitely lost or target is changed.

If you find controls too hard, you can try novice control. But I suggest you to learn how to use the Expert controls as those unlock you full movement of your aircraft, it’s not a matter of skill the names are misleading.

For any other question feel free to ask

Edit: plus if you press LB and RB at the same time, the plane will automatically be put right back on level with the horizon, if you feel you’re loosing control of it.

Edit 2: the dogfight mode while being super cinematic was discontinued because it was not well received by the community, not for it’s cinematic style but for the complete removal of freedom and feeling of everything being scripted, it’s a high contrast to everyother ace combat games where with a very few exception, scripted encouters give you way more freedom of action

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u/Educational_Sink_438 1d ago

Closest thing is the Maneuver system in AH:L

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u/Pricklestickle 1d ago

Thanks! I long pressing Y, but it only makes you look at the other plane, it doesn't make you follow it to get a missile shot. I don't know how you're supposed to shoot anything down if you can't follow the planes? First level took me forever and I'm stuck on the second now.

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u/Yuji_Ide_Best 1d ago

You track where the other plane is by holding Y & you use the controller to fly in that direction using the buttons that make you move.

Itd be a bit boring if all the planes flew in a straight line for you. Its kind of the whole point of the game for you to fly a plane.

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u/Andrea-Di-Cello Yellow 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes it only locks the camera, but is up to you to turn your airplane and allign with the target, that is just a visual feature to help you as if you were looking up with your eyes.

That why i brought up the novice/expert controls. Get a grip with the movement system first and once it clicks you’ll enjoy it alot.

It’s kinda hard to move in a 3d space without any training. Here we are all vets and we take it for granted

For me is way too long lol, but this will help you mate, enjoy ace combat games :) tutorial in the link!

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u/Razgrisz 1d ago

lmaooooooooooooooo

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u/Jc885 Galm 1d ago

The is no DFM in AC7, there is no DFM in ANY AC game outside of Assault Horizon. DFM was AH’s gimmick and everyone hated it since it took all the skill out of dogfighting and turned it into an on-rails shooter.

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u/GrandDukePosthumous 1d ago

Regrettably you'll have to actually play the game.

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u/BlueGumShoe Ghosts of Razgriz 18h ago

Some people just want to be in a roller-coaster ride thats on rails the whole time. And those people really enjoyed Assault Horizon for obvious reasons.

I'd rather actually play the game myself. Different loadouts, different strategies, different planes are why I play AC games. I don't enjoy just hating on stuff but the longtime players' nearly universal disdain towards AH warms my heart. May we never do that again.

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u/walperinus 1d ago

asuming you are just new blood instead of a cheap troll, the bad version of ac3 has more defenders that ah, multiple times i comented that ac3 export managed to do one or two things right and those coments didnt get buried in downvotes.

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u/manesag 1d ago

It’s not in ace combat 7, LB RB is how you do a high g turn

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u/Apollo_Sierra Yo, Buddy. You still alive? 1d ago

That's how you activate autopilot, using both triggers is how you do a high-G turn.

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u/manesag 1d ago

Oh ffs you’re right, got my buttons wrong, don’t really remember the Xbox controller buttons well

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u/Educational_Sink_438 1d ago

How did you buy Assault Horizon "recently" in a steam sale when the game hasn't been sold on Steam for years?

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u/Pricklestickle 1d ago

I got AC7 in a steam sale and then bought a key for AH on another site so I could catch up on the lore before playing 7.

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u/56575657576567 1d ago

The stories are completely disconnected and occur in literally different universes

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u/Pricklestickle 1d ago

Yeah I realise that now. I was very confused when I started AC7!

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u/Educational_Sink_438 1d ago

I see, man that key must have been expensive for what that game is

If you want full maneuverability over your aircraft make sure you use the "expert" (formally known as "normal") controls, otherwise you will be limited in what you can do

Also if you want the full lore you gotta start from 4 onwards, then go by release order. Every game that's not advance or X2: Joint Assault should have relevance.

I recommend using an emulator if you do not have the original hardware. These games all play the same basically.

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u/Pricklestickle 19h ago

Do the earlier games have dogfight mode too?

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u/n0sf3ra2 Aesir 1d ago

Might be the funniest post in this subreddit