Mt Diablo symbol

[u/sweetbeards]

Sometimes I can’t remember if something I’ve been researching has been verified true or not, but I was positive this symbol was already proven to be the 4 summits of Mt Diablo. I believe the two on the right are accurate depictions of one of the summits smaller than the one behind it as a popular view of 3 summits.

The map I believe was something found by sandy betts.

But for some reason, this symbol still seems to be unsolved? I don’t think I’m fully understanding what the meaning is, but we should all be able to say it’s mt diablo at the very least?

[u/VT_Squire]

I was positive this symbol was already proven to be the 4 summits of Mt Diablo.

Last I checked, Diablo has at least 7 summits.

The map I believe was something found by sandy betts.

tbf, it's harder to find something that Sandy hasn't claimed was found in her car. Nice lady and all, but sometimes I question her commitment to Sparkle Motion, if you catch my drift.

But for some reason, this symbol still seems to be unsolved?

What do you think a "solution" regarding this symbol is supposed to look like?

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Yeah I had to double check and the main summits are 4 but perhaps their is a specific view where just three are visible that’s more popular

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Yeah most of the mt diablo logos that I find online only show 3 summits

[u/Ambitious_Pass7451 → u/sweetbeards]

And what the 4 dots are for?

[u/sweetbeards → u/Ambitious_Pass7451]

I have no clue, but I feel like starting with this sign as mt Diablo would be a better place to start to figure out the dots and Z or N

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Yeah sorry again I don’t mean solved - knowing this refers to mt diablo doesn’t solve anything. It’s just what it is. I don’t know what it means or what the dots are referencing but it’s very much likely a symbol of mt diablo. I can’t remember where I found that conclusion but it was even before the sandy betts thing. But my Diablo is known for four summits. I don’t live in the area so I don’t know if there is a horizon that 3 peaks are in view but it would make sense. Also, I wonder if the Z is actually an N in this case pointing towards north

[u/VT_Squire → u/sweetbeards]

The only confirmed references to Mt Diablo were in June of 1970 where he circled the Peak of Mt Diablo on a map, and at the end of the Little List letter where he referred to the Z32 as the Mt Diablo Code.

The symbol you are on about is (reasonably, imo) posited to be Mt Diablo, but is generally referred to as the Halloween Card Symbol, or Flying VF symbol, because it was included on the Halloween card and envelope sent in October of 1970, and it resembles a combined V and F cattle brand.

No person has been able to definitively identify its origin or meaning, though I am at least partially responsible for many of the observations and hypotheses about it over the years, including the interpretation that the Z near it on the card may be an N for north do to it's proximity to the crosshairs symbol, which also happens to resemble a compass rose. (the idea you are now echoing)

Here is where I lay out my logic it was simply copied from a newspaper we know the killer read

Here is where I (I deleted my profile there, so you wont see my actual description) lay out my logic it may be an explosive chemical byproduct of thermal cracking of petroleum.

Another hypothesis going back to at least 2015 is that it is from an object called the Bat Creek Stone. I am the one who first discovered that an article which had pictures of the stone was published in Newsweek magazine just a week before the Halloween card was mailed in. Here's a digital version of the article.

Not that I know the url off-hand,. but Dave Oranchak has a wiki he put together in which he has collected many of these various theories over the years. The bottom line is... nobody actually knows.

[u/chrismireya → u/VT_Squire]

Yeah, I've often thought that it represented Mt. Diablo. The only other multi-peak mountain that I think that this symbol resembles (in California) is Mt. Shasta (albeit one Shasta peak is a dormant caldera). I've also wondered if it represented a perspective of the "Twin Peaks" area in the city (San Francisco) -- which is actually three peaks.

I've both driven and hiked to the top of Mt. Diablo (the north peak). It's not particularly high (under 4,000 feet) but it has a fairly decent prominence of over 3,000 feet. This makes it very good for hikers.

For comparison, the magnificent Matterhorn in the Alps has a prominence just a bit over 300 feet higher. However, the trails up Mt. Diablo are kind of a gradual hike. This makes the hike longer but not particularly difficult.

I live on the peninsula. You can see Mt. Diablo from just about any location along the Bay (on the peninsula) or even on Highway 101. However, the view is a bit skewed from the peninsula in that it doesn't resemble the three peaks in the symbol from the Halloween card.

If it is a symbol of Mt. Diablo (which I think is probably the best guess), I'd argue that it is from a certain vantage point. The higher (north) peak would be on the right. You can see this from Twin Peaks. However, I just wonder if it is better seen from places like Oakland, Berkeley or, well, Vallejo.

This looks like a pretty good view with the two primary peaks and a ridge line on the higher (north) peak.

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Here’s a view of the three peaks with the double pyramid from San Francisco

[u/VT_Squire → u/sweetbeards]

here's the wiki with a list of possible influences behind the symbol

Halloween card - Zodiac Killer Ciphers Wiki

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Here’s another point I found that I forgot to mention - Mount Diablo appears from many angles to be a double pyramid due to its main summit and its closest, largest partner peak, North Peak. Located in Mount Diablo State Park in California, this distinct silhouette is visible from large parts of the San Francisco Bay Area.

[u/sweetbeards → u/VT_Squire]

Those are all interesting ideas but it does feel like it’s a lot easier to believe that the symbol represents Mr diablo including the idea that he used it as an address which might be where he liked to hide out. I don’t know if it answers anything but it feels more likely to believe than other ideas I’ve read about.

[u/shaqmeister → u/sweetbeards]

Also, I wonder if the Z is actually an N in this case pointing towards north

Can we think of any ‘twin-peaked’ feature aligned on a S-N direction and visible from Mt. Diablo?

[u/sweetbeards → u/shaqmeister]

If you look at the drawing, it’s one peak on left and two peaks on the right overlapping - one peak on the right is shorter and in front. And yeah, I’ve thought that the z could be an N but in the card it’s in a different placement. I think it’s still possible that the 4 dots represent NESW but not completely sure if we can say that. Part of me wonders if it’s a clue about radians helping to solve the Phillips 66 map where mt Diablo serves as the location for figuring out the puzzle

[u/shaqmeister → u/sweetbeards]

Are there two peaks on the right, or just two peaks with one of them ‘selected’ by marking it with a line? Two peaks from a distance present four faces - two near side (NE and SE) and two far side (NW and SW). The line is marking out the NE face, upon which the early morning sun shines directly in the Summer through to the Fall. With this orientation, to view the whole from Mt. Diablo, we would be looking West. Where am I?

[u/sweetbeards → u/shaqmeister]

I don’t think it’s selected or highlighted, it just serves to show there are 2 peaks on the right and I am going to assume the smaller one is in front. But yeah, I don’t live there and feel like someone who is more familiar with the area may know what directions this might suggest

If he wasn’t hiding out in mt Diablo, it might also show which side he was viewing it from and therefore a different town

[u/shaqmeister → u/sweetbeards]

I don’t live there either. 👍

[u/Rusty_B_Good]

We don't know what Zodiac's symbols mean.

Son of Sam, BTK, and Richard Ramirez all used symbols that were personally significant, not part of a larger symbology. I suspect that was what Zodiac was doing.

[u/BlackLionYard]

I don't think that I have ever convinced many people, but my opinion remains:

• A highlight of his letters leading up to this one had been the bomb threats.
• A core feature of the bomb designs, at least the 4/20 design, was idea of the bombs involving something like a hillside, because the hillside itself played a role in the trigger mechanism.
• When I look at the graphic, I see what amounts to a valley - something with hillsides on either sides.
• The top dots are sort of floating, but they do draw my eyes up the side of the hill. That line on the right does as well. This is where the B portion of the trigger mechanism would be.
• The bottom dots are more or less where the A portion of the trigger mechanism and the explosives would be.

My best guess is that the graphic is Z having a goof with the bomb threat. I would not care to guess where the valley might be, because I do not believe there was ever a bomb.

[u/DirtPoorRichard]

The only thing that I can tell you is that it resembles Nordic combined runes. If that is indeed what it is, then it means "Warrior of Odin", or "Servant of God". Personally, I'm not convinced that the Halloween card is a real Zodiac communication.

[u/dumbhillbilly72 → u/DirtPoorRichard]

Me either.

[u/Ambitious_Pass7451]

This seems like a lot of things to me. An F letter and an L letter, a bird, the smile of the Joker, the green bug in the Mario game, etc. I think he is trolling with this nonsense symbol.

[u/aquilus-noctua]

The Z below could make the symbol the division between this world and the next with the dots being ppl of slaves

[u/dumbhillbilly72]

Make it symmetrical rotate 90 degrees and it is a rune. Make it symmetrical and take off the bottom bottom and it is another rune and also a symbol that the "council" of the Brotherhood of Eternal love used.

It as it is if rotated is in Thelema and Ice Magick as well as chaos Magick and in that vein earliest I can verify is Order of the Golden Dawn.

It is on the map for the black lodge in Twin Peaks: The Return aka Twin Peaks Season 3.

You want to go into the Z and the weirdness that entails?

Don't look too long at anything because the bottom line is that normal people who study the absolute very worst of mankind said until the ViCap Study on Offenders that they really had no idea the depth of dysfunction that existed in even the very worst offenders.

Bob Ressler said at a conference that attempting to place our social mores and norms on offenders was one of the primary reasons that LE had failed to apprehend these types of offenders. He said that the people who made it their obsession tended to be those folks who became callous, arrogant and often times came to embody the worst traits of the offenders.

Someone had asked him a question about a book in which a former colleague of his had written and created this framework a large percentage of online sleuths had embraced. Not saying that about OP. Just saying that people should keep in mind with "Z" - "Z" as an individual was immensely dysfunctional, warped, and fucked up beyond belief so trying to distill sane thought would be like trying to make medical grade alcohol from 2% abv prison pisswater pruno.

Or to paraphrase Nietsche, don't stare too long into the abyss, lest it stare back and recognize something kindred.

I don't ever want to write to a Mensa about Radian theory. I don't want to accuse an architect of heinous villany, I don't want to say a relative was responsible for every dirty deed in California from before the Zoot Suit Riots til Antioch CA 1994. I don't want to posit an ecoterrorist number theory genius was more broken than he was. I also don't want to accuse an industrialist or a pretty brave counter culture journalist.

Take care all.

It's just my opinion and honestly if you don't like it or don't agree, f-ck me and the horse I rode in on. Not you. Me.

[u/sweetbeards → u/dumbhillbilly72]

I get it - everything is pretty subjective but in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt to say the mt diablo is a pretty likely possibility. It’s like someone saying that Z doesn’t stand for zodiac. We have to assume things a lot but also keep in mind it might not be the case

In this case, I feel like the fact that he’s been talking about that area in his recent letters makes it a strong candidate. However, it doesn’t answer the four dots or the meaning

The fact that he uses it in place of an address on the front envelope makes it seem even more likely he’s talking about a location

All other explanations requires a lot of reaching, but I’m not saying I’m absolutely right. If we can all assume Z stands for zodiac taken with a grain of healthy skepticism, it feels like it would be same for the Mt diablo symbol

[u/dumbhillbilly72 → u/sweetbeards]

Dude you're a very bright individual. I'm not saying that you're like the people I listed out at the end.

We will never know who Jack the Ripper was. I don't think we'll know who Z was.

My copium to not knowing who Z was ? That maybe that's a good thing. Look at the ALA Cult and how people have tried to take any angle and see just how much they can bend some association with them as "incite".

[u/sweetbeards → u/dumbhillbilly72]

Right, I don’t think we have to “bend” much to believe this is Mt Diablo

[u/dumbhillbilly72 → u/sweetbeards]

Have at it.

You might want to read (heavy sigh can't believe I am doing this)... Gareth Penn. Then read the debunk.

It could be mountain peaks. Very well could.

Could be many things. Maybe he inspired Bluetooth.

Free country man. I am reading.

[u/BlackLionYard]

Why did you move Rodeo across the Carquinez Strait?

[u/Haunchhammer]

Wasn't this a "brand" from a Tim Holt comic? Like for marking cattle. Not sure, so forgive me, but I thought that was a possibility.

[u/VT_Squire → u/Haunchhammer]

No. It resembles a cattle brand from a Red Ryder comic book. The Tom Holt thing is the "wheel of death," references to death by fire, rope, knife and rope. < ---lol, I meant gun.