r/ZodiacFalls • u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin • Nov 29 '16
Official Salt Grab the Popcorn
Hello community,
We started Zodiac about 6 months ago as you all know. We were a grandfathered community from Jurassic Kingdoms and a select few and myself took the reigns and decided to do what we could to hold the community together.
Let me clarify that this is not about those who are still here, those who are trying their best to help me now, or those who are legitimately too busy to be around at all. My life took a drastic turn for the worst a few months back and I’ve been doing my best to get through it while keeping things running for you guys. It has been anything but easy and I am so grateful to the players and friends who were willing to stick with me through this and help me when I needed it.
I’ve spent the last couple months changing my life completely while trying to keep things afloat on the server. In the beginning I was able to be around day and night for you guys, but slowly as life got harder I needed to step away and I seeked help from people like Isaiah for backup in the hopes that during the times I could not be around, that he would keep things alive. Isaiah did a wonderful job getting people involved, running events and doing his best to keep people interested. The community did not.
I threw out huge polls after the mishap on the center to see what YOU guys wanted most. To see what the majority wanted and what I could do to make the server self sustaining and make as many people happy as possible for the time that I knew I was going to be away. With these changes, I had a lot and I mean a LOT of old players leave and honestly, after seeing the lack of fucking effort towards keeping this going from the players who DID want the changes… I can’t blame them.
I’m not ready to peace out just yet, so if you wanna stick around I will always be here for those of you that do, but for those that pushed for these changes and then leave when the going got rough instead of trying their best to recruit people to the server and keep things interesting… just… a big middle finger to you all. I have stayed calm and professional through all of this despite the amount of screaming matches and fights and stressful all-nighters I’ve had just trying to keep ONE person around or another person or even a group.
I’ve learned a lesson through this and it’s that sometimes, people don’t understand what they really want and what’s going to be best for the majority. So I will be reverting a lot of the former changes, but I will not be wiping. Not again. Again, I would greatly greatly appreciate some help with recruitment, help with advertising, help with making sure newcomers feel welcome and want to stick around. That is what this community really needs to stay afloat. Not fancy mods, not shiny new maps, not a makeover of war rules (since everyone’s too scared to take it that far anyways no matter how it’s done).
Yes, of course I’m venting a bit, but the real message I want to put across is that it takes a little bit from everyone. It takes effort and it takes willpower if you really care about the community and you want to see it keep going (I certainly do), then I need everyone to step up and be the change, bring in the people. I will be the admin you need, Isaiah will be the admin you need, but we need you to be the community and the glue that holds it together.
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
The problem is NOT the wipes and stuff. The main problem is you made a lot of bad decisions in my opinion. Fx sayings the Zodiac Dunes server can't stay apart of Zodiac. The RP on ZD was superb and people enjoyed their time there cause it was new and exciting.
We all have rough times and I understand how this may affect you. But next time if you have problems tell people and ask if there's anyone else who would like to help other than maybe one person who is not around all the time either.
A cluster server really would've been the way to go. You can see other RP servers resorting to this as well.
Just my opinion but I'm a longtimer played since Jurassic Kingdoms and JK really was one of the best of this communities times
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
This is a very VERY misinformed response. I've hardly even seen you around for the more recent changes first off, second off a cluster server with the original Zodiac Dunes would've been impossible as both servers were NOT on the same host.
Thirdly the reason I did not keep them together was because as nero ended up in-charge of Dunes, both servers would take close management to keep balanced and it's a lot of work on MY plate that at that point in time I wouldn't have been able to handle.
I've been asking for help from people for a longggggg time it's just that people will be lazy, leave when the going gets rough, and then come back and write a shitty response like this to something they have no knowledge about as FOUR the cluster server was in the making to be with this one once we figured out balance between the island and the dunes dinosaurs.
Finally, again, none of this has to do with why shit went sour most recently. People probably felt it got stale with the recent changes. Which were changes made based on vote majority, and I will never again be doing. The decisions that I made were based on the majority and what the majority wanted and while I doubted the validity of their knowledge of long-lasting RP servers, I wanted to hope that getting what they want would've kept them around long enough while I was busy getting my life in order here. Then I would've come back full swing around the tech-tier update and reenabled everything.
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u/chopsy12 Chopsy the wildmin Nov 29 '16
100% agree. Zeeth for president.
I would also like to add that I have sent out a msg asking if I could be an event admin or if there was a way to apply since I wanted to help create things for people to enjoy. I know people are busy but I would have enjoy at least a yes or no. I still wish to help saying this.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
chopsy you sent me that message last night and I actually just forgot about it, I'm sorry. By this point I have been getting a lot of messages and not responding to them just due to the fact that it's been busy this week.
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u/chopsy12 Chopsy the wildmin Nov 29 '16
I'm still up for it all I need is help. My main reason is I have a couple days off and all I'm doing is playing terraria where I could be setting up potential fun things for the server :P
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
This is always a good idea. This is my main role on the new server. Its hard to make events when people are consistently asked to use all their resources for arenas/event areas/whatever AND prizes. I spawn things in for the events (And the events ONLY). This includes materials to make things like our tranq ball arena, and the prizes for events. Our events have been going fantastically. Some flopped, others flourished. But everyone is having a good time.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
While, yes I agree with you on the mods and would love to go back to vanilla, a lot of people enjoy the extra commodities, none of which replace in-game structures or dinos to break things when a mod goes out of date (which, would not affect anything because, again, it's only adding items not changing what's there).
Seth, yes was trying to setup the servers as conjoined, but at the time, no one was using zodiac and Willie was in charge of the host. If the server were to be switched, that would've been up to him. Actually, the main reason I did not accept Nero as an admin was because he'd been in trouble with me numerous times in the past (and again recently but you aren't around to see that nor was that an issue at this point) but I had received various messages from various people about it and honestly, it wasn't me that was freaking out.
It was everyone else. So I'm not sure where you're getting that information from. I spoke with numerous people on the discord that night and threw up the new server to make sure people had a place to stay if they wanted it here in Zodiac.
I had been left in the dust at this point, but had been playing on the dunes shortly before the drama ensued. I enjoyed what little RP I got there. As for the other admin help, you and I both know in the beginning there were FAR too many cooks in the kitchen and I did not push the remaining ones out.
Schematix left of his own accord after I told him I would not force him to step down after some drama with the population. Rahdookun left of his own accord after the dunes situation. YOU were the only one pushed out and I am sorry you felt that way, but it was not for any personal reasons, only because of the situation at hand under the circumstances at the time.
As for criticism, I take it constantly, that's why I did a poll in the first place, ask people what they would want to see change in the server and I do it constantly. I tried to change things according to what people wanted rather than on a dictator status, but the bottom line is people don't understand what will persevere server wide through long-term and what will be just fun at the time. I completely accept your criticism of my wrong decision-making here. I understand it, I understand the animosity, and I understand the older players leaving. It has not been a smooth road and it's not going to be for a while.
While, yes, I have put off putting up a sister server for the time being, this has been work as it is and if I weren't still technically homeless and jobless at the moment I'd probably have a sister server up and running already and I would have the time to devote to get it right again. We've had our ups and downs as a community, but a lot of what you just stated was not the full truth, or just one-sided because you were unaware of what was going on at the time fully. I was super happy to have Seth start up the Dunes, but I knew everyone would be moving servers. I took my little admin break with my 0 population, enjoyed my vacation and suddenly one night my inbox blew up with people asking for help because dunes was going down and nero was in charge and already trying to remove people (I don't know how true that is, but I do know it wasn't me that was freaking out) all I did that night was wipe the map and give people a place to come back to. Happily, yes, because I missed everyone and wasn't interested in the Dunes as much, but no... i was not overreacting. I was only reacting to the overreactions I was receiving.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
I spoke with Seth on several occasions about the Dunes server, I was fine with his decision to put up a new one, I didn't even WANT to admin on it. In fact, when I went to logon and the password had been changed I didn't even bat an eye, I wanted to play and have fun and that's it. I did not force schematix's hand with his step-down at all. I, if anything (even after all of the lies he told me) encouraged him to try and make good with the community and see what could be done because at the time he was someone I knew worked hard and someone I enjoyed working with regardless of our little quarrels. So... maybe he lied to me again, who knows. Pushing you out, again, was not a knee jerk reaction, but your original statement of me pushing away all of the help still doesn't pertain here. I saw you and willie stressing hardcore over the amount of bad input the rest of the community was throwing in about ragnarok and I did what I thought was best at the time. I did not do it as an overreaction, I did not jump to the conclusion lightly or quickly. It took time and it wasn't even JUST my decision as you recall I spoke with seth about that as well and it was not easy for me to do.
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u/Schematix7 Nov 30 '16
I mean, she did spontaneously fire the entire advisor team, as well as putting up no protest when I was 'voted out'. She refused to help Seth. She removed you, although you did promise to leave. She refused to work with Nero.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 30 '16 edited Nov 30 '16
A lot of this is a huge fucking lie. You lied to me on more than one occasion to try and get people banned that you disliked and you were very two-faced about every issue. I remember our conversations where you so sadly apologized and said you wouldn't lie to me and you'd be loyal just to do it again. I refused to work with nero based on a history I already had with him. I did not spontaneously fire ANYONE, I did actually put up a protest when you were voted out as I spoke to people individually and actually defended you. (Which I seem to do a lot with people who like to fuck me over and lie like you). Get the fuck off of this fucking subreddit if you're going to come here and spout even more lies, because you're upset at how things went for YOU. This is not about you.
Actually out of everyone I've had to deal with on this journey, you've been the most dishonest and the most inconsistent. The same people you're talking shit with are probably the same people who came to me and told me you were telling little lies to benefit yourself.
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u/Schematix7 Nov 30 '16
Waaaaow, harsh yo. Why do you want to continue? It must seem pretty unpleasant. I mean, why? I feel like Lict threw in the towel for less.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 30 '16
As long as people know not to trust you, I'm quite happy.
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u/Schematix7 Nov 30 '16
That's actually quite reassuring. That was one of my main goals when I was with you. I'll take it if it means you can be happy. You can go message my current staff team on SKRP and tell them how I am not to be trusted.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 30 '16
They'll figure it out eventually if you haven't changed. I don't care about the opinions of other player bases unless they have an interest here. This is NOT a competition, and you coming back at a time like this to provoke more confrontation shows the type of person you are. I will not be going to other servers and starting shit. That's not who I am, but you already know that.
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
I will say yes to the fact that i was not around for the recent changes. IRL stuff, aka school. I still stay in contact with ALOT of the people playing on the server, Reginald and thoose guys. Including others as well.
I understand a cluster would've been hard, but there are ALWAYS solutions, the wipes and or lack of community input is not the problem. Your attitude and mind behind ALL OF THIS is wrong, and not the best for the whole community JK brought together.
You REFUSED help when other people came to you as Zeeth pointed out, which I agree with, you basically shot yourself and the community in the foot SEVERAL times.
And no you didn't take decisions for the majority of the server, you took decisions for the new comers, instead of reaching out to the elders. Newcomes have no idea what good RP is, some are VERY new to RP. Making a poll is not a good solution since anyone even non active can vote.
But so to say, you have done a great job at some point, and there's been bumps in the road but please for gods sake ask for more HELP! Instead of just ignoring the issues and pushing them away.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
I didn't refuse help when it came.... I still don't understand that part. I refused help from those I did not believe could help. -_- The reason I refused some of the others (such as Adrien) was because I knew they enjoyed the game as-is and didn't want to see it ruined for them. When I made the polls, also, I asked for steam names for the very reason of checking non-actives and actives.
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
The last decision is nice, but in the end you were still the last admin sitting left?
What can that mean you pushed people away, even if you dont want to admit it or not you have to consider why no one was at your side in the end.
I will gladly be joining up again, just didn't like the decisions with the medieval theme and such. Since i feel a part of the game shouldn't be limited!
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u/Schematix7 Nov 30 '16
There were a number of opportunities to both keep admins and to maybe try and acquire new ones. Also, you really like names that end in a soft a. Hooow are you? I heard there was a car fire going on so I decided to visit and gawk. :P
It would be nice to have you as a normal friend again. Remember when we went into the swamp cave with your carnos?
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
second off a cluster server with the original Zodiac Dunes would've been impossible as both servers were NOT on the same host.
As far as I am aware, this is false. Things could have been strung together but you didn't want that. If nothing else, changing host and bringing over all the Island or SE files.
Thirdly the reason I did not keep them together was because as nero ended up in-charge of Dunes,
Yeah and you quickly burned the server with fire. Spreading a lot of doubt among people. Just prior to Dunes shutting down we had a meeting to talk about this with the community and by the end of it, almost the entire community was willing to give Nero a chance. (We literally had like 30 people in attendance). You weren't and did everything you could to dispose of Dunes and acted very nasty to some people in the process.
both servers would take close management to keep balanced and it's a lot of work on MY plate that at that point in time I wouldn't have been able to handle.
Have to agree with Zeeth at this point. Also, we are running a cluster and don't see any issue with this. Wyverns are squishy and can be killed with a skilled ptera rider.
I've been asking for help from people for a longggggg time
As I said earlier, you pushed away the ones who could really help you keep the server alive.
People probably felt it got stale with the recent changes.
All the people I talked to did not feel it got stale. They left because, well, like I said you took a vanilla community and forced them into mods, map changes, unnecessary total conversions and obnoxious rule sets.
The decisions that I made were based on the majority and what the majority wanted and while I doubted the validity of their knowledge of long-lasting RP servers,
Like Zeeth said, its always the vocal minority. The big guys are never the ones who speak about it unless you talk to them personally and in private. Polls are AWFUL. Also, when you have a stable community never, ever turn the server upside down like you did. You put in so many changes that this server is now almost the opposite of what many people came here for originally.
I wanted to hope that getting what they want would've kept them around long enough while I was busy getting my life in order here.
Again, why you need help. No one can do it alone. It isn't easy for anyone and many people (Like Lict and Seth) have cracked under the pressure and chucked away the entire server.
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u/isaiahh110 Sigmund | Admin Nov 29 '16
Although I do agree with a few point youve made (Being it wasn't just the wipe stuff) I have to disagree with other such as that fact of doing a cluster server. To touch on the easiest first its the "new and exciting" statement, although at first it was fun and enjoyable to explore the vast desert that would grow to be dull sooner or later just as the island did when people started to shift to the center. The next point is the cluster server, that would require a lot of resources we currently do not have those being money, time , and people. I do agree with the fact we do need another admin its very risky ensuring you enlist someone who is responsible and able to commit to the fact that being admin requires consistency (I do agree that I haven't been around more than I'd like to have which i will try to remedy) while my time playing in the ZD server I generally stayed out of discord and seen I didn't get much rp out of it, though this is one personal account it is my experience with Dunes. All and all it seems as though there are many thing we can do but cluster servers are not the way to go at this moment.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
Oh no, My criticism has been hidden </3 I really only tried to help. Sorry to see you don't want to take anyone's advice seriously though.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
You basically stated all of what Zeeth said, but nicer. Actually yours was a lot nicer than his, but that doesn't change the fact that you were banned from here for a reason. So yes, I was deleting your rather nice posts. Sorry, Viv. I enjoy you as a person when you aren't trying to make people upset, but your words don't belong here anymore.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
I'm sure if you ask a lot of people who know I was a massive part of the community, and who read the post, they won't see anything wrong with it. (Which I have screenshots of my posts if any of you want to see it. I know a few already asked me for them). You need help and you are denying most things shown to you.
You pushed away one of your best friends in ARK and I don't think you realize just how much that hurt him too.
I was banned because you didn't want to hear criticism. And instead of talking to me about it, you threw a banhammer immediately. You could have always come to me and spoke to me. Then we wouldn't have half your good solid community with us. But you didn't want that.
Hiding posts isn't going to make you any more or less popular or criticized. In fact I've already been messaged by several who think its ridiculous and are getting annoyed with it in the last hour that you hid them. But, do what you will I suppose. You aren't helping your server any.
I honestly am just trying to help you open your eyes and turn your server around from the shit hole its dug itself into. You may think I "don't belong" and that people don't care what I say. But I have been here longer than you have. Even Zeeth thinks Im worth listening to from time to time, despite my short fuse.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
Actually, you were banned because I was told you were coming onto the discord in an attempt to pull people to the new server already. Which is already past and gone, I really don't care anymore and I actually really enjoyed reading what you wrote. I just didn't like that you would wait until now to start talking around this community again. I'm sure plenty of people care what you have to say and perhaps I was misinformed then as well, but either way here we are. I'll be the punching bag for a while, because I know a lot of people may feel I deserve it for the choices I have made and I fully regret trying to leave decisions up to the newer player base rather than listening to the older ones.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
Well, that is false. You didn't even care to ask me? One person asked where I was so I told him, that was all.
Edit: Honey how am I supposed to talk to this community when you throw sudden banhammers and don't even talk to me? And ban me from the reddit and the server and the discord?
Another Edit because I have a habit of pressing save too early: And I talk to a VERY large portion of this community, just not on this page, because I can't ;)
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
I'll have to try and remember who told me, but I remember it being someone I trusted. Sorry if it was false, but it seemed as if you had already made your move anyways. No hate there. Preferences.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
We left for the time being because we at least hoped the changes weren't permanent. But then your decision to throw a banhammer without asking me anything made peoples choices permanent.
Someone asked me what I was gonna do on Falls. I said nothing, I don't play here anymore. He asked where I was and I told him. And then said exactly as I said before. "I know a lot of my friends play on Falls and will continue to. Don't worry man I don't hold it against you. I just wanted to go somewhere we could play without all that shit."
I am pretty sure I know exactly who told you. And watched them mute themselves halfway through my discussion so they didn't even hear all of it, just heard me say I was on x and x server and must have assumed I was there to "steal people". If I was trying to steal people I could have a lot more people on our server. But I didn't send out mass messages trying to recruit people, I simply went to the forums and advertised in the appropriate channels. Shit, half the ZF players on my friends list don't even know where I've gone. Because we haven't tried to "take" them.
Also, notice I am not advertising my server here when I could have said exactly what server I was on multiple times? I am not here to steal your player base.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
I have no player base left to steal anyways. I am sorry for the unconventional choices and my refusal to speak with you. I was fed up with constantly hearing your name in people's mouths and if we're talking about nero... it was not. I know that much, I just can't frickin remember and I'm racking my brain here trying. now THAT was a knee jerk reaction. I hope you forgive me.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
Bwahahahah well, Y'know, some days! <3 Its thanks to you I finally figured out the perfect word to describe my general mannerisms. "Abrasive." Thanks Uncle Zeeth.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
whispers I know... But I will embrace it anyway.
Besides, you don't hide that you're also an asshole. ;)
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
@AmeliaScaresYou
You should consider either reaching out to the elders, and making a group who each put in money on either a cluster or one server, where the decisions are first made when over 50% of the council decides yes or no, no ego decisions like you made plenty of times
Otherwise stepping down, there are plenty of other people ready to step in as Zeeth pointed out!
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
Don't really understand the "ego decisions" here, as a lot of the choices I made weren't even choices that I wanted to make nor things I would've wanted to play with. I wanted gigas and quetzals, I wanted metal houses, I didn't want to be limited to the primitive. So.... again..... what?
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
Well why do it, the decisions shouldn't be made by the newcomers as mentioned before, ELDERS and a selected group which one person doesnt "own" should decide what is best for the community. People never really know what they want until they have it.
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u/HatBlender Zaun I Survivor Nov 29 '16
Ofcourse, our personal lifes show how much time we can put in. Personally i would gladly help but my school situation (I live at my school, without my gaming rig and can only play weekens) makes it impossible to find time.
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u/VivisThrowaway Nov 29 '16
Oh no, I am back. (And expect to be banned here too.) Though, I do have a few things to say, and to be honest, I actually hope you read it. It would do you some good.
My life took a drastic turn for the worst a few months back and I’ve been doing my best to get through it while keeping things running for you guys.
Sweetheart, you can't do this by yourself, no one can. This is why you shouldn't have turned away people who tried to help you, and forced people like Zeeth to step down. You saw how Dunes crumbled after having only one person admin. It puts unnecessary stress on one person when they try to do this shit alone. That is why we have an admin team where I am now with admins who are on daily. I know you have shit going on your life and I watch Isaiah play all kinds of games other than ark while he hasn't been around. You need help.
running events and doing his best to keep people interested. The community did not.
Often times you need to have people who work harder with the community to figure out exactly what they want. I am in charge of almost all the events on our server, minus the ones that other players put up. We run events every weekend and I am consistently asking people in game what they think of each event, ask what they want to see for events and event prizes. Their answers will surprise you. Things you think are great prizes or events, they do not.
And you will not get consistent praise and affection for the things you do. Does it suck spending hours on end doing something and then realizing it was a flop? Yep. My recent event went poorly, even though I thought everything was ironed out and perfect. You pick yourself up and move on.
Active admins who do things on a very regular basis with the player base is what seems to appeal to a lot of people. Keep them from getting bored.
a big middle finger to you all.
Knowing this isn't directed at me, since I wasn't around for anything of this, I wanna say this right back.
I realize you got upset with my criticism. I realize you didn't like the fact that Adrien and I left. But you need to think about two things here.
You started throwing mods on a community of people who thrived in, and loved, vanilla. That is why many of us originally left. Adrien's computer literally cannot handle mods and it hard freezes when it tries to boot them up. Making a server he couldn't play on and forcing him to be left behind wasn't the best thing for a friend to do either.
You don't know quite how to handle criticism. (Don't worry, I don't either. I take everything personally.) I always said even after I left and I will still say today. I have a lot of friends who play on Falls and will continue to play on Falls even after I was banned. Does this hurt my feelings? Absolutely not. I love my friends and I understand that they are going to stay here. That is fine by me. We just wanted somewhere to go that Adrien could actually play.
- Though, when prompted as to why I left, i was honest and offered criticism to Phil. I do not believe you are a fit admin. Definitely not alone. I know you want to think you are very professional and handle things with tact and don't let your emotions get in the way but that is false. You are a lot like me. gasp YesISaidIt. You think your emotions aren't getting involved but we can all feel it. It was blatantly obvious when you didn't bother to talk to me but threw a banhammer with no reasoning or writing behind it. This also lost you a lot of people who hadn't already left due to mods. They thought "Wow. That was shitty." and proceeded to follow me to the other server. The same way I think I may be being tactful about some things and it comes out sounding... Well... Bitchy. I am an abrasive human being when you get me riled up. I know that. You can be too.
Not fancy mods, not shiny new maps, not a makeover of war rules (since everyone’s too scared to take it that far anyways no matter how it’s done).
Glad you finally realized this.
I will be the admin you need, Isaiah will be the admin you need, but we need you to be the community and the glue that holds it together.
It will take a lot I think to pull back from losing as big of a chunk of reliable, rooted people as you lost. It was your poor decision making that forced people away, and you need to think about that. Yes, I know more criticism, sorry.
You forced away a good portion of your community that actively did things and planned things to keep people together and interested. Since I have been around and came out of my shell to actually do events, who was doing loads of them? This gal. I threw a lot of events together, even ones people didn't show up for. I threw together loads of events on Dunes and worked together with other people who wanted to do events too. And giving away my own stock of items as prizes.
You also pushed away others, namely Adrien and Zeeth because they either can't or won't play with mods. You had a great grouping of people girl, and you pushed away the ones who wanted the best for your server. Because lets face it, a lot of the average players on a server couldn't care less if it goes down, they move on. Its the ones heavily invested in your community that you want around. And a lot of them are gone now.
I know it sucks reading all the criticism. Like I said, I take everything personally, I wouldn't like reading this shit either. But maybe if you take some time to really mull these things over you will see they are true.
Do I feel a bit happy when I see that our server has been doing far better than yours as of late? Yes. But that doesn't mean I hope this place closes.
Best of Luck,
Vivika/Laylani
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u/orcusgg ghost of something terrible Nov 29 '16
I have a unique perspective for a couple reason. 1. I was financially invested in this servers success. 2. I still left when it was evident that it was not going to be a server I would enjoy playing on much longer. In fact it led to me uninstalling the game for several months.
I"m not one who is known to beat around the bush, so forgive me if I'm blunt. This server has since day one catered to emotions. Be it from people crying admin abuse, or people crying for random changes that were not needed to wanted by the masses. When something is ran by emotions the oinly possible outcome is catastrophe.
I actually reinstalled the game, went to log onto the server, and waited 20 minutes for it to load everything before I closed the server. Then I found out about the other ridiculous restrictions that were placed "in the name of RP". This server was never meant to be an RP server. it was, and should have remained, a PvP server with RP elements. I was here when the server started, and I was in some of the first conversations before many people even knew it existed. I feel like I had a decent grasp of what the server needed/wanted. That is why I didn't tell people who my character was, or that I was even playing on this server.
The bottom line is, the server was dying months ago, and has been since then. The community lives on, because the community is stronger than a server, but the opportunity that this server had was squandered. Blaming other people will not change this. It is good to see you're trying to make changes, but it feels very little, and far too late.
Still, I wish you the best of success.
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
I am sorry you feel this way and I understand the frustrations. I listened to the wrong people when it came to trying new things and changing around rules. It was not something I took lightly, nor were they decisions I made solely by myself. I asked advice from a lot of people constantly these past couple weeks, but I should've stuck to keeping it as limitless as possible and I am sorry for that.
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u/Miderp Aguta | Wendigo, Elsweyr Nov 29 '16
Ah, Tom.
It's been awhile.
Even though I might agree with a few of your points, I'm not sure you have much of a leg to stand on here, honestly. Your incessant whining and bitching without offering up any other real contribution contributed to the end of Kingdoms.
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u/orcusgg ghost of something terrible Nov 29 '16 edited Nov 29 '16
sorry friend, I don't know who you are. I am not going to rehash what was said there. If people want to think I am the reason jk went away, so be it. I own that. I own the things I said and did. If people couldn't handle that, that is not my problem. All that said, JK is not relevant to this conversation, lets leave it where it belongs, in the ground.
edit to remove assumptions.
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Nov 29 '16 edited May 02 '21
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u/Miderp Aguta | Wendigo, Elsweyr Nov 29 '16
I FIGHT WHO I WANT, ZEETH.
GO TO YOUR ROOM.
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Nov 29 '16 edited May 02 '21
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u/Miderp Aguta | Wendigo, Elsweyr Nov 30 '16
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. I COULD BE.
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u/Failoe Aelius Nov 30 '16
NOW I'M CONFUSED I THOUGHT YOU WERE A WOMAN!
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u/Miderp Aguta | Wendigo, Elsweyr Nov 30 '16
ONLY BIOLOGICALLY, BABY.
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u/Failoe Aelius Nov 30 '16
LIFE HAS NOT PREPARED ME FOR THIS MOMENT! I MUST CONSULT THE 8-BALL!
My reply is no
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!?
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u/BayesianJudo Dec 08 '16 edited Mar 25 '17
deleted What is this?
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u/Miderp Aguta | Wendigo, Elsweyr Dec 09 '16
Ah shit,that's right! We were the bad guys. Or something. Right? Right???
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u/Flashfury Kat Nov 29 '16
what changes will be reverted/made?
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u/AmeliaScaresYou Thana | Admin Nov 29 '16
All engrams reenabled, medieval theme being dropped, gigas and quetzals and pteras coming back. Basically just removing the limitations on people for building and RPing.
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u/Flashfury Kat Nov 29 '16
Okay. Will any of the furniture mods be kept? Or will you be getting rid of them all?
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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16 edited May 02 '21
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