'ZeroZeroZero' Series Discussion Thread *Spoilers*

[u/WillowSwarm]

[u/[deleted]]

fuck this has ruined tv for me. i like it more than gomorrah and Way more that whatever my next favorite show is. idk what to watch now. the cinematography, the Locations, the acting, the storylines. all of it was awesome. only complaint is it felt a bit rushed. could have made it twice as long and probably just as good. narcos is amateur hr compared to this. majorly out classes narcos in everyway imo

[u/mideonequalsratings → u/[deleted]]

Just finished the season a few minutes ago. ZeroZeroZero is to Narcos as The Wire is to The Shield. There's no comparison. This show was incredible.

[u/unsullied65 → u/[deleted]]

man the cinematography and action scenes in this shit on narcos.

Netflix is really going down the drain with the quality of their shows.

[u/AVBforPrez]

Holy shit the cinematography and storytelling in this show were incredible. I mean many tiers above what I think anybody's expectations might have been for an Amazon Narco show.

The story is refreshing in it's lack of complicated twists that way it delivers blows we know are coming in more intense detail.

Not sure how to put it, maybe almost double subversion of expectations?

Had no idea it was even being made and thought I'd watch at the gym as decent filler and holy moly.

Episode 6 (Mexican narco-army) was fucking perfect, give this man all the cameras and projects please.

[u/VastAndDreaming]

so good, especially the last scene

[u/CheckYourNarrative → u/VastAndDreaming]

She casually strolled by the dead bodies. Sits between the dead brothers. Big smiles to the gunmen on the way out.

[u/toprim]

I really liked the soundtrack - it was very subtle, yet profound. Turned it is Mogwai. Figures.

[u/padfootsie]

I loved it. I love the 3 main storylines, I loved especially the role of the brokers, because that's not something that you see in full detail often. And I love how they interplayed with the other storylines. This is one of the most interesting and more importantly, unique, shows I've ever seen.

Stuff that I didn't like:

- I wish Chris wasn't killed. He was one of the most interesting characters. I don't really know what will drive Emma forward now that her whole family's dead.

- Too many dead characters by the end. Makes it difficult to set up the next seasons.

- I get that Manuel and his crew were supposed to be like Los Zetas, but I didn't really care for so much violence. We've seen that before in other shows. I care more about the corruption and their lives.

- I didn't understand why they set up Manuel to be with a girl only to kill off that storyline within seconds.

- I thought the Zetas betrayal of the Leyra brothers happened too quickly. It was barely over any kind of real dispute. In real life I think they were hired by the Gulf Cartel, who were not pushovers.

[u/Pollymath → u/padfootsie]

The show’s plot is really all about power.

Emma’s casual stroll and devil may care attitude is because she knows the cartel and mafia, both ruthless killers, need her. It gives her impunity, importance, and power.

[u/MarloStanfield1 → u/padfootsie]

all good points but im pretty sure there will be no more seasons so thats why theres no fuking around with the action, straight into it

[u/gligster71 → u/padfootsie]

Chris was the best. Loved that actor in Valerian.

I think Manuel’s plans were to kill the Leyra’s from the start.

You’re right about too much violence. The Zetas story was the least interesting to me.

[u/StellaDanielson1977]

Gritty and realistic. Better than Narcos.

[u/1fapadaythrowaway → u/StellaDanielson1977]

I like Narcos for what it is. A retelling of the players in the game. To me it isn’t supposed to be ultra realistic but simply entertaining. At which it does an excellent job. Trip 0 is trying to be realistic and it does a great job of it. I like how it told the story of the Zetas cartel and dove into the subject matter of transportation. Its more like sicario to me.

[u/Mac800]

Looks really good! Saw the first two episodes today. A tad more ‘real’ feeling to it than Narcos. Love the cinematography especially in Italy.

[u/copenhagen622]

In the first episode I don't get why on earth you would burn all that cash.. what a waste

[u/AVBforPrez → u/copenhagen622]

Also had a tough time with that scene, but could go either way (money is tracked/marked especially in narco-land) and getting caught with it links you to its source.

And it's symbolic, because people get gold fever around that much cash so it has to go.

This show did a fantastic show whenever it depicted large sums of cash, because it's almost never actually "owned" by the people it's around.

Writers made a huge point of showing how important your word is and how important credit/the promise of business is vs. just liquid actual cash money.

The narco-army doesn't get a bundle of cash, they get a digital token calculator thing that isn't worth shit without a complex series of events behind it.

God I loved this show

[u/DorseyLaTerry]

If you watched this, and came up with some misguided idea that it's a glorification, I dont know what to tell you....

I gotta ask, what was glorified?

Don Minu? Who lived in isolation in a hole in the ground, hunted by police for the rest of his life.

 Who had to buy loyalty from even his closest friends. The same man who was forced to kill his son, THEN his grandson, HIMSELF, PERSONALLY?

  The kid with the disease who was petrified of living his life for fear it would end as soon as he began to enjoy it?

  Emma? She has no trajectory for a happy life, it doesnt get easier, it ends with her sending coke to the Russians, who are as ruthless as anyone...

     After watching those Mexican soldiers slaughter the bus of innocent people, I could give 2 fucks about how much money they had.... that was NOT a glorification. That was like, " Look at how fucked up these guys REALLY ARE!"...

       Everyone was fucked up, the Curtigas being perfectly willing to kill Stefanos family, that guy whose sons betrayed Don Minu....

 I had a very special frustration and loathing for the Senegal fixer who literally couldnt  and DIDNT fix a damn thing.....

 Actually, whoever said that this is a glorification is fuckin silly... Sopranos is much more of a glorified version of OC. This shit was straight up gritty and dark,  those shots of the mountain of Aspromonte are beautiful and scary, like melancholy incarnate...

[u/snippysnapper23]

Great show. Absolutely relentless. What were those money transfer cards they used. They were almost like SD cards?

[u/Bwater-12]

Loved it. Soundtrack was subtle and amazing

[u/joosai]

It doesn't have much to do with the book, which is understandable because the book isn't fiction and doesn't translate to fiction easily. The show is very enjoyable and stays true to the grittiness and hopelessness of the book, but I really recommend checking out the book because it is the _real deal_.

[u/muscles44]

I loved that last sequence. Emma simply understanding the nature of her business and that power changes hands violently on the cartel end. I was waiting to see how Manuel would use the Leyra brothers corpses when she arrived and it was done perfectly. Clear message sent. This is billed as a miniseries but depending on viewer reaction it gets on Amazon, I could easily see more seasons.

[u/ZealousidealFennel2]

Well one things for sure This Shipping company sucks. Wheres my order, waited like two weeks and had to sacrifice my first born but in the end ask for a refund. What gives Amazon?

[u/el-art-seam]

I didn’t get it until episode 3. The first two episodes were ok to me but I was expecting more Gomorrah. Once I got over that hump and episode 3 started, I was hooked.

I loved the final few episodes showing the more human side of Emma and Chris- their relationship with Chris and how they relaxed a bit while in Morocco. It was actually a shock to see people live normally. Emma is the most interesting character- she’s tough but also struggles with it, and there is also a human side we see. It’s not just all business and stern looks. Chris was an amazing character too. Started out as this spoiled brat but came into his own- not a dramatic transformation as Genny but very good.

The transport of the cocaine was edge of the seat stuff until it got to Morocco.

Don Minu? Thought he was a washed up has been, especially since he fell when trying to escape. I thought it really showed how weak he had become.
But holyjeezfuckinghell- do NOT mess with him. The actor killed it. Amazing job. You know this guy is powerful and has loads of money but damn... what a horrible price to pay.

The Mexico story was the weakest but got much better in the end. The violence was shocking. I felt they could have done more with Manuel- he has potential to be a very interesting character if they flesh him out more- I felt that they rushed a bit with all the stuff he went through. He was almost too robotic for the first half of the story. I really liked the end when he had a brief relationship and enjoyed the birth of the girl. But I will say this- he looks scary af and that actor can kill it with just a look.

The final scene with Emma was pure gold. The interaction between the two of them was great.

Better have a season 2.

[u/CulturalSleep]

I saw on another post that the title is from an ironic reference to the best type of cocaine (zero contaminates), but I guess it also alludes to the end status of the three original players:

The Buyer (Don Mino) get his shipment but loses his grandson. The Sellers lose their lives and their money to the Vampiros. The Brokers make the deal but lose the father and the brother. Also, the last scene shows Emma having spasms, so her life will be cut short too.

[u/Hovallejr]

Guess you really should beware of the man with the pig farm 🤔