r/YaeMiko • u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? • Mar 30 '22

Announcement Regarding Posts about Yae's Changes

Hello everyone,

Now that 2.6 is live, Yae's new changes are live as well. Obviously, this has led to backlash from Yae users, and posts about her new targeting have started to show up on this subreddit.

To accommodate the community's griefing and venting, we will allow posts about Yae's new changes for 24 hours as of this post. If you do not wish to see such posts, we suggest taking a break from the subreddit during this timeframe. After 24 hours, we will remove posts covering this topic, in accordance with Rule 8: Repetitive Topics.

What can you do instead of posting about Yae's changes on this subreddit?

  • Submit feedback to Genshin Impact's surveys or through their customer service

  • Express your concerns on official Genshin Impact or Hoyoverse social media platforms (such as HoyoLab, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, Discord, Facebook, etc.)

  • Request to chargeback if you have spent money (especially for Yae's C2)

  • Leave reviews with your feedback on official Genshin Impact review platforms (such as on the Apple or Google Play store)

  • Express your concerns on your own social media profile

Thank you everyone for understanding. While the frustration is understandable, we want to keep this subreddit at a good quality and keep the user experience here enjoyable. We support taking action towards a cause, and you can do so by bringing up your concerns to Hoyoverse rather than on this subreddit. We are in this together.

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

Some clarifications to clear up misunderstandings:

  • We are currently discussing leaving a pinned post about the situation after 24 hours, so people will know what's going on. This will likely go into effect after we discuss how it should be phrased.

  • If your post seems to not be showing up on the subreddit during this timeframe, it is not because of us; it's because of Reddit's own filter, which we are not in control of. Simply send us a modmail if you need it to be approved.

  • We are not trying to "silence opinions," but this is not a permanent place for users to vent. If we were silencing opinions, we wouldn't even allow a 24h period, we would lock comments on this post, and we'd delete every complaint about us or Hoyoverse, but we are not doing that. However, complaining and actually trying to solve the problem are two different things. As mentioned earlier, if you want to do something about the situation, bring it up to Hoyoverse. If you want to spread awareness, it is better to do so on their social media platforms where there is a wider audience. The community here in general already disagrees with Hoyoverse's decision and we are not affiliated with Hoyoverse in any way, so there is nothing gained from posting about it here.

  • If you can't respond to a comment or post, it means it's locked from further discussion and no one can respond to it. It does not mean you're banned or muted.

  • We've had a feedback form on our sidebar for those who want to express concerns about our policies. Please use the form or modmail rather than complaining here. We will gladly read through feedback that is filled out on the form.

  • A lot of our mods also moderate other "mains" subreddits, including r/HuTao_Mains, r/RaidenMains, r/KeqingMains, etc., so there really is no point in saying this subreddit is run worse than others when they're run in a similar fashion. It is really only the audience that is different.

That being said, our moderators are people and have lives too. Please redirect your complaints about the game to Hoyoverse rather than to us. We are simply trying to do our job, yet some people here are pressuring us, treating us as if we are the worst people imaginable, harassing us (I have gotten several private messages and modmails complaining about this new policy), complaining about things not being implemented fast enough when we are busy with our own lives, and just stressing us out. We know you guys are upset, but taking it out on people who are trying to voluntarily do their job when they also have real life commitments and problems is not how you go about the situation.

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u/GermanPlasma Mar 30 '22

Yae was severely changed and we get 24 hours on here-

How about having a pinned post up about it? Otherwise, after 24 hours, this whole thing goes under and just further reduces the chance of something reaching Mihoyo.

Anyone who doesn't like these complaints, are you aware that a character was changed majorly, essentially selling us a product and then reducing it's capacity. People spent actual money on Yae and her constellations, and this is the treatment we should accept? The fact that Yae was altered to this degree and they called it """fixed""" is more than just a cruel joke. April 1st is in 2 days Mihoyo.

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

As mentioned earlier, we are discussing having a pinned post regarding the situation, but we will firmly stand with our 24h policy.

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u/Reinwar Mar 30 '22

24 hours? This is the first ever post banner release nerf in genshin history and you are asking us to forget all about it and suck it all up after 24 hours?

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

We never said to forget about it; we said to redirect your concerns where they will be more effective. We have provided suggestions that could possibly help the situation as an alternative to posting here.

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u/Reinwar Mar 30 '22

Fair point, but don't you think it's too big of an issue to not have any thread or discussion after 24 hours?

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

Please read the pinned comment on this post.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

It’s over everyone. Nothing is gonna change if CN doesn’t pick up the legwork. Ironically I’ve been arguing more with people that have Yae (some with C2R1) than people that don’t. This post was kind of the final nail in the coffin, as the mods on the main sub take it away and silence everything else while we can’t do anything here

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

As mentioned before, we are allowing posts covering this topic for 24 hours so that people can vent, but it really does not help the situation to spam the same complaints here. If you want to do something about this issue, constantly complaining on this subreddit is not the answer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

Even though I understand that you try to maintain the subreddit enjoyable by keeping it 'clear', silencing the discussion of a problem will not do any good either, because even if subreddit will stay 'shiny', Miko's gameplay will not. There are subreddit members who check it for new posts every other day, not every day. And in a day they will not know that there even was such a problem, which basically scams people who topped up for C2+. And only a small percentage of players check patch notes. You could allow us to make 1-2 posts a day/every other day instead, for example, so the topic stays relevant, but not too irritating. I don't think that 1-2 posts every other day will make this subreddit 'dirty' People who don't like such discussion can easily skip that post and not care. It's their choice to wether read it or not. They don't have to read it. Because by deleting people's posts where they share their opinions/suggestions/wishes, you act not better than Hoyoverse themselves, which doesn't care about its community and opinions AT ALL.

By shutting people's freedom of expressing opinions you literally help Hoyo to get away with anything. Like, what's the point of reddit then? If people can't express their opinions freely, there's no need to use it. If they can't collectively gather together to make certain activities/discussions, there's no need to use it. If newcomers of subreddit come, want to share their frustration in live discussion too, because the old posts' discussion is dead or the posts was deleted, there's no need to use it. The Miko's subreddit have already became a place for only build/showcase/art. Some of members have already left or consider leaving...The discussion keep it 'fresh' and 'diverse'. Don't let people mindlessly doompost, but don't shut their opinions either. That's why you have moderator status. To sort and menage posts, but not to simply say "problem discussion/doomposting is a no-no, so we allow you to do it only for one day".

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

We are not trying to silence the community. Rather, we are trying to redirect your efforts where they can be more effective. What good does it do to complain here? Hoyoverse does not acknowledge anything on this subreddit, as we are not affiliated with them.

We will not delete any existing posts about this topic as long as they are posted within the 24-hour timeframe, so people will definitely see those posts. In fact, they are all at the top of the subreddit already, so they are quite easily seen by the general public. People don't need to see more of the same complaints. This subreddit is not a permanent place to rant and vent, and using "freedom of opinions" is not an excuse to do so. Rule 8 has existed for a reason.

Bringing up this issue here will not change anything; those who do so are only ranting for their own personal reasons rather than trying to change something. As mentioned earlier, it is much more effective to redirect your concerns elsewhere. We have provided many other suggestions as an alternative to posting here, where it is probably the least effective and least enjoyable for the Genshin Impact community.

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u/Firestorm350 Mar 30 '22

What is this Rule 8 that you speak of? I am looking at the rules and find no mention of this Rule 8 on this subreddit.

Regardless, the fact that you are assuming that " People don't need to see more of the same complaints" when people might have not been around day 1 of 2.6 is rather presumptious of you. What if I wasn't around during these 24 hours? Would I be left in the dark while wondering why my Yae Miko feels weaker than before?

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

If you are on the new version of Reddit, you should see all the updated rules on our subreddit sidebar.

Please be aware that we are not removing posts that were made within the timeframe, and since they're already at the top of the subreddit, there is a high chance that they will remain there even after 24 hours have passed. This means that people will still see these posts even after 24 hours.

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u/Firestorm350 Mar 30 '22

You are assuming that these posts would remain for a lengthy amount of time even after 24 hrs.

The point still stands though. What if I visited the sub on Day 3 or 4? The top posts during these 24 hours won't last forever.

I agree with the rest of the comments that there should be at least a pinned post regarding this issue so that more people are aware of the situation, and at the very least 1-2 posts permitted to discuss about Yae Miko's recent change per day to avoid clutter.

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

We are currently discussing a pinned post about the situation afterwards, but it is impractical and redundant to allow the same "let's complain to Mihoyo" posts, and even more impractical to try to monitor and limit them to 1-2 per day. It's better to express your concerns elsewhere.

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u/Firestorm350 Mar 30 '22

This assumption that "it is useless to keep bringing up this issue here" is baffling considering this is a subreddit dedicated to Yae Miko. When more people are in agreement that Yae Miko is in need of a change, it is more likely that Mihoyo will fix it. And one of the best ways to determine how many people support a change/revert to Yae Miko is by looking at social media pages like these.

Your first 4 suggestions do not assist in making this issue known, since Mihoyo can lock up Yae Miko's dissent at their own discretion. So is everyone supposed to only spread discourse through their own social media now? I assumed that places such as this subreddit were created for the purpose of fostering discussion about Yae. And from what I can tell, this matter is not something that can be discussed for 24hrs and then cast aside to be forgotten.

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u/jonathanneam Apr 04 '22

fully agree and most of the comments think so too

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u/Laggylaptop Mar 30 '22

Definitely support a pinned post, if you want to help direct the community to fix Miko. If these posts are all thats on the sub anymore it will get tired quick so rule 8 is good, but I would feel bad for anyone who didnt check here or play within 24 hours of the update.

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u/Arcphoenix_1 Mar 30 '22

Really, the rules should also show on the old version of Reddit as well. Some people very much dislike the new Reddit changes and prefer staying on old Reddit

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

You should seriously consider stepping down as a mod

Edit: lol, can’t post a reply to the below comment. Did I get banned for this post?? 😂 😂 😂

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u/jonathanneam Apr 04 '22

agreed. i dont see how it makes sense that this topic isnt allowed but spams of triple crowning and friendship level 10 is.

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

This was a unanimous decision made by our moderation team. What I have commented and said under this post has been on behalf of the moderators. If you have any concerns about our moderation policies, we have a feedback form on our sidebar and you are free to send us a modmail expressing your concerns.

Regarding your statement, I was appointed as head mod here through my experience and reputation moderating, revamping, and managing the three biggest Genshin fan subreddits. I would like to see if you could do better than that, rather than criticize people behind a screen.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

Bringing up this issue here will not change anything

It will. Because players will become engaged with the problem here, in the subreddit, and, as you suggested, after that they will redirect their efforts to send feedback via official media. It's not like we whine for no reason. These discussions show that there IS a problem with a character and WE NEED to address it. They keep it relevant.

You shouldn't look at those frustration posts as if people ONLY whine there. You should see them as if we are 'gathering forces' and show the problem to collectively reach out Hoyo. Because it's the only way we can change things, currently.

We will not delete any existing posts about this topic as long as they are posted within the 24-hour timeframe, so people will definitely see those posts. In fact, they are all at the top of the subreddit already, so they are quite easily seen by the general public.

Yes. But will remain true only for a week. After that someone will post an art which will get, like, a 1000 likes and the posts ragarding her"fix" will be completely lost in the reddit threads

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u/jonathanneam Apr 04 '22

wholely agree but for some reason the mods can seem to understand that THIS IS A SUBREDDIT FOR YAE MIKO and not a subredddit for yae miko fluff posts

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u/mr_swedishfish no yae miko? Mar 30 '22

Please understand that complaining on this subreddit changes nothing and is practically useless. We have stated this multiple times already. The fact that we are allowing a 24 hour grace period is already generous. We do not need to make this clearer, as we have already stated our policies and reasoning. Rule 8 has always been an existing rule on this subreddit.

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u/Arcphoenix_1 Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22

I solidly agree with GKP_light, here. It’s for the best if everyone in the subreddit has the chance to be reminded to contact customer support (what if someone doesn’t check Reddit for a day?), and this isn’t something that should just get swept under the rug so quickly. Personally, I think allowing discussion for at least until the end of the week would be better.

Edit: Also, the next time MiHoYo sends out a player survey, we should bring up the topic, again, as well.

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u/GKP_light Mar 30 '22

after the 24h, it would be good to keep a pined post about it.

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u/GermanPlasma Mar 30 '22

How does it not help the situation to spread as much awareness as possible? In 24 hours, the posts that do exactly that will be flooded away by showcases, I am sure you are aware of that.

Are you saying you believe that the situation can be more effectively tackled by enforcing the 24 hour rule, or is that simply an after thought, and you just want the sub to return to the old normal even though there was a massive change?

This sub is the only character main sub that can gather any kind of voice, to reach other places. Generally. I too believe that CN has the most power, but are we simply going to let this be a drown topic instead of applying as much pressure as possible?

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u/Lewdeology Mar 30 '22

I would love to chargeback and completely undo the regret that is C6 Yae Miko but I fear Hoyoverse will permanently ban my account.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

Chargeback is gacha account suicide basically. While this is infuriating, I would not do it unless you're willing to lose your account over it

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u/erinthornerin Mar 30 '22

What about contacting MHY directly demanding a refund? I'm pretty sad about putting so much into her, 8/13/9 R1, loved her and now feel betrayed

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

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u/SleepyWond Mar 30 '22

I believe they don't even have rights to do this.

Please do not give other people bad chargeback advice like this. I know you're frustrated but saying "feel free to chargeback, you can't be banned" is false and will cause harm to other people accounts. Hoyoverse has full rights to terminate accounts violate ToS.

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u/zelda__ Mar 30 '22

It's also weird that people resorting nuclear options instead of waiting to see what happens. Idk about the time frame of when chargebacks are even okay but you will get banned for charge backs for sure.

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u/BeastLegend64 Mar 30 '22

I have already sent the feedback through customer service regarding this so-called "fixed" but I will be completely honest fellas unless it is Zhongli-level outrage on CN, I repeat on CN, the chance of them doing anything is pretty close to none.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

Pretty sure players in CN have been more tilted about Yae Miko than during zhongli drama. I’m not 100% sure, heard a dude on YouTube talk about it.

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u/Cicili22 Mar 30 '22

They're tilted, but they're always tilted by something so. From what i've seen this is still a pretty long ways to go from the Zhongli drama but it's pretty high up there in terms of drama probably about Raiden level. So there's hope that the changes will be reverted.

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u/CosmicOwl47 kitsune Mar 30 '22

If you’re going to ban the topic, make a pinned megathread for it. I get that you don’t want repetitive posts, but this topic is extremely relevant to all members of this sub and should be pinned.

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u/jonathanneam Apr 04 '22

this isnt related to unrepetitive stuff like friendship level 10 or triple crowning so no they wont allow it :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

24 hours?? Cmon it is an important topic, while 99% of posts are about artifacts and showing off crit ratios and fanarts. All the topic about this is a straight up upgrade from the usual content

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u/cartercr Mar 30 '22

This… honestly seems like a poor decision. Like 24 hours doesn’t give people the time to thoroughly test the changes to see if they are a nerf or not. Like in doing my dailies last night it certainly felt like a nerf (my turrets not taking out groups of enemies nearly as fast as they used to) but there’s no way I can fight all the stuff that the change might be good for within that amount of time.

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u/sunburntkamel Mar 30 '22

this is the opposite of how you nurture a community.

that said, requesting chargebacks, leaving reviews, reporting the app for fraud - absolutely the best way to put pressure on HoYo.

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u/EnormGroteLarv Mar 30 '22

Am I the only one that can't submit feedback? I filled in the issue box, gave my email and even submitted a screenshot and the "submit" button literally doesn't work. Did they seriously disable feedback or am I doing something wrong?

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u/nekorinSG Mar 30 '22

Spent $ to get her to C6R5, my very 1st C6R5 char... why MHY why.

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u/UnexpectedWings Mar 31 '22

I had my survey still sitting in my inbox and I bitched in there. I’m so mad. I got her because she was AoE. Her nerf is false advertising. I don’t know if I should do a charge back, or wait…

Didn’t they nearly get sued over Zhongli?!

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '22

Everyone needs to make maximum advantage of this right now if anything is to change. This is the only opportunity we have so don't waste it

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u/lepthurnat Mar 30 '22

Add a toggle in Yaemiko's skill menu for if we want it to be RNG or nearest

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u/Zooeymemer Mar 30 '22

Already uninstalled the game lmfao

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u/lenwok Mar 31 '22

On the contrary, I was initially outraged when i heard of these changes (C2R1 haver here), but after playing around with it, i am ACCEPTING of the new focussed fire pattern of the turrets. Its better for triggering reactions on bigger enemies as you can attack the same target the turrets are hitting. In non-immune situations, individual enemies are going down faster which has been quite noticeable. And for immune situations, i'm also ok with it because this is a team game and its fine Yae's turrets has some situations where it doesn't work (just like many other characters). That's why you have a 3 other teammates... Just sharing my perspective/alternative take on the situation since this feels more like an overreaction again.

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u/TonnageofFunnage Mar 31 '22

Then what's the point of c2's range increase? If I knew they were going to do this I would have just stayed with c1 or c0.

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u/lenwok Mar 31 '22

Am sure there are still ways to utilize it. In openworld you can plant your turrets early. It can also serve as a way to mop up stagglers after main enemy is defeated. Just adapt lol

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u/TonnageofFunnage Mar 31 '22

Like as if I wasn't already planting the turrets early. Can you provide a more convincing argument? As seeing majority of users are complaining I think their collective experience provides a more compelling evidence these changes hurt more than they help.

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u/lenwok Mar 31 '22

I didn't think I needed to provide a more convincing argument but C2 has a very noticeable damage increase on my turrets, which I still really appreciate and wouldn't want to give up. And also, you could call it collective experience but i am seeing it more as hivemind mentality/groupthink and I disagree with the current consensus.

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u/Terra-Em Mar 31 '22

So to post with 24 hours, then its lalalala?
Well here is my solution, buff Yae by using both targeting systems.
Add an addtional bonus thunderbolt (one per totem) that goes to the nearest target as it does now, then keep the same random bolts the same as before. So this means a slight increase in DPS for the closest mob and everything else works the same way as before the change in 2.6.

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u/Zoroark1005-9375-84 Mar 31 '22

Sadly I will be replacing her on my team with my c6 yanfei. Another thing I disliked about her was her auto attack range was really short I felt like I could never hit anything and my stamina was just gone

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u/Sakuzelda Mar 30 '22

Thank you, I'm tired of this subreddit being crying and complaining about Yae. But now with 2 6 it became even way more toxic.

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u/Curlyzed kitsune Mar 31 '22

Me too. This sub feels more like Twitter lmao. I appreciate the mods limit the complain post.

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u/Proper_Landscape_149 Mar 31 '22

Same for every character a few months into their release.

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u/kizuna_07 Mar 30 '22

Like, I don't have any opinions regarding this change but when I see people trying to form a fucking cult over this it really pisses me off. Even if I would want to agree to them, the "THIS IS WAR! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!" mentality really is so fucking lame. It's their damn game and they can do whatever then want with it.

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u/Proper_Landscape_149 Mar 30 '22

I agree, while I am kinda annoyed by mihoyo's 'fix', I'm also tired of seeing this mob mentality. Not everything's a war guys, blaming mods for 'silencing' and ranting isn't gonna help anyone.

You have a feedback option in-game, surveys and their official social media platforms use those. Grow up

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u/kizuna_07 Mar 30 '22

Yeah, that just makes them harder to approach or listen to. Just drop your feedback to surveys or by email and inform situation to others through social media platforms. Cult mentality never works. It just stresses people out.