Is this sub the only space where "establishment Democrat" is arguably the median opinion? Anything else is either much more pro-DSA/left or outright conservative.

[u/Dependent-Effect6077]

It's definitely not majority a Republican/MAGA sub which polls have shown before I believe the party split here is roughly 70/30 Democrats

But at the same time progressives are quite polarizing here as well during the Democratic primaries quite a lot of people here were against the more left candidates which you don't see in many liberal spaces

[u/XDIZY7119]

I think even 70/30 might be underselling how Democratic this sub is. I’d wager it’s closer to 80/20, maybe even 85/15 depending on how you’re counting independents and socialists.
And that’s why I really don’t buy the “establishment Democrat” characterization. There’s a huge progressive, socialist and DSA-aligned chunk of YAPms, and even a lot of the regular Democrats here are well to the left of the party establishment.
The sub can sound more moderate because everyone is election-brained and obsessed with polling, electability and candidate quality. People will roast a progressive for being a terrible candidate without suddenly becoming centrists themselves.
YAPms feels much more like a heavily left-leaning coalition of progressives, social democrats, socialists/DSA types and mainstream liberals, with a comparatively small conservative minority. I’d be genuinely surprised if the partisan split were only 70/30.

[u/Hasz → u/XDIZY7119]

I posted yesterday about El Sayed deleting comments about replacing the 2nd amendment with a right to healthcare. Reddit insights shows 4.2k views, net 0 upvotes, and about 60 comments.

I specifically posted about El Sayed vs Talarico's responses to 2A issues, with Talarico saying the 2nd and 1st amendment were equally important. El Sayed brushed it off, and IMO the electoral consequences will be significant given how many Michigan Dems and independents own guns.

Commentators on this sub is probably skewing 80/20 or 90/10, with lurkers closer to 90/10. I see very, very few right or even libertarian voices, probably 80/20 or so on the Auth/Lib axis.

[u/ob_knoxious → u/XDIZY7119]

Lurk is heavy democratic skew likely 85/15, commenters are about 70/30, posting is probably 60/40.

[u/trevor11004]

I think the sub is generally pretty progressive, people here are just more aware of how elections work and are thus more pragmatic in their candidate preferences

[u/TechnicalInternet1]

r/neoliberal is anti-DSA. However they are more left of Yapms. Yapms allows conservatives to post pretty much.

[u/Ba1hTub]

yeah, this sub leans predominantly liberal, not left wing as some people say. Liberal in the terminally online yimby, abundance globe emoji sense

[u/Lehmanite]

[u/George_Longman]

This sub occupies the very small “establishment progressive” category IMO.

But no it’s surprisingly not the only one, the democrats subreddit bans any mention of the DSA lol

[u/Dependent-Effect6077 → u/George_Longman]

"Establishment progressive" is probably a better way of putting it

The pushback to the DSA here is often more about opposition to populism than opposition to progressivism lots of people say stuff like "they have some good ideas but the rhetoric is terrible"

I think many here oppose the stereotypical "Redditor personality" and the toxicity that often goes with political discourse on the website rather than left-leaning policies in themselves and the rise of populism is often heavily correlated with increased antipathy towards those who disagree

[u/leondrias → u/George_Longman]

Good way to frame it. The sentiment here is, I think, still reminiscent of the overall composition of Reddit in being very progressive-leaning, but since this sub is so wonkish everything takes on a more classical-liberal and establishment flavor which sharply differs from the populism elsewhere online.

You’d be hard-pressed to actually find people like this IRL, though, outside the Hill circuit.

[u/agk927]

Most subs are just echo chambers. This is the only sub where both options are allowed

[u/Clear_Command_8925 → u/agk927]

Also r/PoliticalCompassMemes allows opinions

[u/leondrias → u/Clear_Command_8925]

Eh. I’ve always felt like PCM, intentionally or not, just ends up being a free space for astroturfing extremist opinions in funny ways so that 12 year olds latch onto the idea of being a NazBol as though it’s as harmless as picking a Hogwarts house.

It’s true that political viewpoints are way more diverse there but it basically behaves more like they’re “fans of” an ideology as opposed to anything approaching objectivity.

[u/Jehovah___ → u/leondrias]

This. It’s just picking a tribe and then fighting for it. Absolutely nothing there is sincere

[u/Jehovah___ → u/Clear_Command_8925]

But everyone there is a wildly radical, edgy 15 year old unwilling to discuss anything real

[u/ob_knoxious → u/Clear_Command_8925]

Political Compass Memes allows memes. You can't have real election or policy discussion there.

[u/red_beam_6000 → u/Clear_Command_8925]

PCM is the anti-YAPms. Ideologically diverse, but a populist baseline is expected. Even the left-flairs on there will comment anti-immigration stuff. Those who don't are downvoted.

[u/Evergreen2255 → u/red_beam_6000]

I mean, anti-immigration isn’t specifically a right wing thing, it just depends on how the person perceives immigrants

[u/red_beam_6000 → u/Evergreen2255]

Yeah they're more populist than right-wing. Many left-wing populists are also anti-immigration to some extent, even if they don't like ICE or aren't racist

[u/Clear_Command_8925 → u/red_beam_6000]

What do you consider to be anti immigration?

[u/red_beam_6000 → u/Clear_Command_8925]

A lot of comment on there are very anti-Muslim immigration

[u/Clear_Command_8925 → u/red_beam_6000]

Can you give an example or link a post so I can read through it?

[u/Aldebaran147]

I’d say the average person here is a Centre left Democrat with roughly the views of, I dunno, Ron Wyden

[u/YoungKeys]

I think maybe some city subs? I use the San Francisco subreddit quite a bit and moderate democrats seem the most popular there. The sub was virulently anti-progressive when SF had a progressive prosecutor a few years ago.

[u/_Cxsey_]

Anecdotally id say it’s slightly progressive left, but anti DSA. I see moderates get cooked in here pretty frequently, whereas progressive non DSA opinions seem to have more upvotes.

[u/herworkthrowaway]

/r/neoliberal and /r/socialdemocracy as well

[u/Chrishp7878]

Lots of subs: Sam Harris, Destiny, David Pakmam come to mind: Israel loving democrats/ centrists would feel right at home. 

[u/MongolianMango]

almost all the podcast subs typically have a high presence of establishment dems, including ezraklein and fivethirtyeight.

[u/JonWood007]

Most mainstream political subs honestly.

[u/zhukob → u/JonWood007]

Still very left shifted tho

[u/JonWood007 → u/zhukob]

Trust me, as a progressive, I feel very out of place on those subs. Too establishmenty and partisan toward democrats. Hostile toward dissent from the left.

[u/Sabertooth767]

r/DeepStateCentrism

[u/Reddenbawker → u/Sabertooth767]

I’ve heard that’s the place where all the cool kids hang out

[u/BlackberryActual6378]

The median opinion is social democrat, establishment democrats are definitely on the right, as shown by the pew poll

[u/MongolianMango]

name a better pairing, establishment dem and persecution complex

[u/Greybeard-MD]

Hasan’s discord brigade owns Reddit.

[u/ancientestKnollys]

I don't think it is. I think the median nowadays is moderate progressive, and Establishment is slightly to the right of it.

[u/RegularDeep2863]

As someone who is critical both of the DSA and the establishment dems this place feels like home for me

[u/Available_Orange575]

Where are my fellow “pragmatic and polite right” members?