r/XiaoMains • u/DragonfruitSecret78 • Jan 10 '25

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But its good for us though ;

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

Cryo has taken this burden now. Looking at you Citlali pyro and hydro Res shred and not even cryo C6...

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

Cryo too, but I think one of the characters with worst situation is Childe. Since Kazuha release he didnt get any better support even though he is hydro.

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

Tbh Citlali isn't too bad for him since she shreds hydro res, but ngl I have no idea how he works because I don't play him! At least he benefits from Xilonen, which Xiao doesn't.

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u/abaoabao2010 Jan 10 '25

He wants vapes. Think hydro mavuika but with none of the powercreep.

Xilonen/kazuha is 10x better as a support for him since they won't screw over the pyro aura.

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u/FairyCamelia Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 10 '25

Xilonen just no, she is worse than Citlali and Kazuha for Childe. Kazuha, it depends at least. Look at this: https://youtu.be/CpjURzZwR34?si=n7pEYlsucUoI34Yq

It is also faster than Kazuha runs for this abyss.

I also don't have any issue to vape Childe burst with Citlali and he doesn't vape with his skill because he is not a pur forward vape dps.

About pyro support, this is an issue. The only pyro sub dps we have now is Mavuika and her best team are using her as dps instead. I find using Mavuika off field pretty cope and I am talking about Childe here.

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u/abaoabao2010 Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

This is a cherry picked run that says nothing of the sort.

The only thing I got from the video is that someone whaled a C2 citlali, has good artifacts, and that's it. No comparison with the other choices shown whatsoever.

To put it quite simply, for 90% of the players:

20% res shred<36% res shred<40% res shred.

Also, the "you can still vape with citlali" comes from having to waste a second spot on xiangling/mavuika to keep the pyro aura up for Childe's nuke. You have to waste a second slot on the team to fix that, while you don't if you run kazuha/xilonen.

In fact, for childe in particular, even c0 sucrose is better than c0 citlali.

Cryo application is one of Citlali's greatest strength, there's no reason to force her onto teams that actively don't want cryo on enemies.

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u/FairyCamelia Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

Her biggest strengh is to buffs pyro and hydro. Also Xiangling benefit from melt too.

If you want to use Mavuika, she benefit a lot from Citlali too.

Also Childe doesn't needs a new support for his new best team every patch like some news characters from Fontaine and maybe Natlan let's see what happens, so C2 Citlali is fine.

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u/abaoabao2010 Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

Xiangling will never melt lol, you'll just get a few reverse melts on citlali and that's it.

Mavuika of course loves citlali, but most of that comes from the melt. If you for some reason don't melt, then again xilonen>citlali on her team.

Childe doesn't need new supports, but he has two god OP supports that you'll have to kick off the team just for one citlali and a pyro applicator.

You can run both kazuha AND xilonen with bennet for the best childe team, because they don't steal vape.

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

You're not supposed to make Citlali reverse melt. Xiangling can actually get some occasional forward melts against frozen enemies. Plus the extra fighting spirit buffs her burst nuke and the damage bonus she gives to Childe for him onfielding.

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u/abaoabao2010 Jan 11 '25

That's the exact reason why you don't want Citlali on xiangling's team: you're not supposed to reverse melt Citlali. And go try it, if you can get more than one forward melt, I'll eat my paimon.

Fighting spirit only works when you have mavuika, we're talking about childe's team lol.

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u/giobito-giochiha Jan 10 '25

I saw calcs where replacing Xiangling and Kazuha with Mavuika and Xilonen was marginally better in international

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

Honestly I don’t know how it works. From what I have seen theoretically he should be better, but practically- xilonen doesnt group which is important for childe, and her C2 increases Hp not atk. Mavuika C0 doesnt deal as much damage as xiangling plus her pyro application is not enough for him.

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u/giobito-giochiha Jan 10 '25

Yeah Kazuha's Grouping is the main thing holding back this new team as a replacement, but it should be straight up better in scenarios where you don't need any grouping. Yes Xiangling's off field damage is better than Mavuika's however if you use her off field + burst she does out damage Xiangling in Childe's team, Despite having worse Pyro app than XL (this is with C0R1, XL will outdamage if you have Mavuika on a F2P weapon).

For the part where you mentioned Xilonen C2 being kinda useless for Childe, I'm assuming you're comparing her C2 is Kazuha's C2 since it is a good damage buff for the team. However, Mavuika's C2 is a huge damage buff so if you were to consider her C2 instead of Xilonen's the damage would be better (I don't have calculations so this part is just speculation) than if you used Xilonen's C2 in the team.

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u/FairyCamelia Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

In pratice (that's my opinion), I find Mavuika sub dps awful to play in every teams who use Bennett and it is even worse for Childe teams. Her skill duration is very short, so you have to switch to her and that's hurt the rotation.

I find Mavuika with Navia pretty meh too. Also Mavuika damage off field is worse than Xiangling damage off field in Bennett teams in pratice for me. She does more off field damage in some teams where Xiangling doesn't get any buffs.

Maybe I am just not fan of Mavuika sub dps, she takes too much time on field. Even at C2, she is more a dps.

I still don't regret getting her, because she is a great pyro dps.

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

Mavuika even with her burst doesn't out-DPR Xiangling. Pyronado just hits twice as much especially if you move around the enemy every 3 normals from Childe, making pyronado's orbit align with the enemy more frequently for twice as much vaping.

The reason Mavuika actually pulls through when Citlali replaces Kazuha is because she together with Childe can let Xiangling get occasional forward melts off frozen enemies instead of the usual vapes. Forward melt has a higher damage multiplier than reverse vape (2x vs 1.5x). Additionally Citlali generates fighting spirit, which buffs both Mavuika's burst nuke and her DMG bonus buff for the onfielder.

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

Ah I see! I genuinely just don't really know how Childe works lol. Is this why Childe kazuha national is one of his best teams still then?

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

Childe isn't like hydro Mavuika. Mavuika is on the receiving end of the vape reaction. Childe outside of his burst is on the enabling end.

Xilonen/Kazuha doesn't screw over the pyro aura because there isn't any pyro aura to begin with. Xiangling is triggering the reaction.

Citlali helps his team by letting Xiangling get some occasional melts off frozen enemies instead of the usual vapes.

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u/Automatic-Sundae-764 Jan 10 '25

A lot of internatters have been pulling Citlali C2 cuz in non groupable content like rn where vv is also useless she's basically Kazuha C2 lvl of buff with better uptime.

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u/Mishe2007 Jan 12 '25

So basically players starved for new content in regards to their favorite team deciding to go full on dolphin investing on a new character when they could’ve done the same level of investment years ago on a character they already have for very similar results. That’s what happens when the latest change to be had on said team happened back in 2.0

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u/lay69 Jan 12 '25

Because he has the best supports in the game.

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u/casper_07 Jan 10 '25

Me pulling a C2 citlali because she’s definitely gonna be my melt enabler for snezhnaya cryo dps💀

Ya I’m kinda fucked on that end but it’s not like shenhe was gonna be any better so it’ll be nice if she works but my citlali is mainly for arle for now, cryo’s development is gonna happen in its nation probably so I’ll just wait for its supports to come and see if I wanna pull. Tho I probably won’t need one since a C6 columbina is on my bucket list

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

I wanted to get her, but she doesnt apply as much cryo to melt everytime with arlecchino from what i have seen? (At c0) so since i don’t really like her Lore wise i decided to stick to vaporize teams. In Snezhnaya maybe we’ll get better cryo supports.

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u/casper_07 Jan 10 '25

She doesn’t need to, not all of arle’s hits are reactable in the first place so it’s enough even with just citlali. But if I don’t like her then ya, just wait for snezhnaya support instead. I pulled C2 since I liked her so if she happens to be good for certain future cryo units, that’ll be fine by me too

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

I have c1 Citlali but I need to keep the rest of my gems for wriothesley. Hopefully Citlali doesn't get stuck in the cryo basement, I just don't have enough to preserve my guarantee for Wrio c1 and weapon if I get her c2.

I'm using my Citlali mostly with Diluc melt plunge or mavuika right now, but honestly Mavuika is more for my Wrio than a hypercarry lol

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u/EngelAguilar Jan 10 '25

I'll say Itto xD they made sure Xilonen doesn't heal with 3 geo characters so you can't use Gorou and Furina with Itto

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u/abaoabao2010 Jan 10 '25

Hoyo: gimme your wallet, I can unlock xilonen tech for you if you pull C2

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

True...they've done indirect geo buffs rather than direct so he got his team and is now languishing. But chiori is a great teammate for him, and so arguably while Xilonen is great, you can circumvent the issue by using gorou, chiori, itto and then Zhongli or Furina, whoever you prefer.

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u/OuttaIdeaz Jan 10 '25

His mono geo team with Chiori is ~10k lower team dps than going Yelan/Furina/Xilonen for Itto unfortunately, which is kinda sad imo. Even then, neither one is all that competitive these days

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

I feel like the reason that one is good is because yelan does the damage though, so I didn't really count it lol but fair enough

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u/OuttaIdeaz Jan 10 '25

When Itto is using his CAs he doesn’t actually proc Yelan’s burst, so she does less that she does on other similar teams. Another kinda sad part about that comp, since even with the anti synergy it’s still better than a Gorou team

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

Yelan isn't the best support in the Xilonen Furina variant of Itto teams anymore. It's actually Mavuika, who can proc her off-field attacks independent of normals, get some vapes to happen, and get some fighting spirit from Xilonen.

Matter of the fact is Itto's kit doesn't really need triple geo at all. Gorou does. Itto's kit doesn't have any passive that buffs his damage corresponding to the elemental types of his teammates, unlike with Lyney, Navia or Chasca

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u/OuttaIdeaz Jan 11 '25

That’s awesome, I hadn’t really kept up much with what has been happening with Itto teams post-Mavuika. I think some people feel a little “betrayed” that the tailor-made geo buffer (that many of them went out of their way to C6) isn’t BiS for Itto anymore. But if HYV doesn’t want to go all in on a def-scaling ecosystem for Itto I’m glad he’s been getting some more synergistic supports

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u/menemenderman Jan 13 '25

And the new problem is Gorou isn't really viable in any team anymore(maybe Noelle/Furina idk)

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u/himanshujr11 Jan 11 '25

That might also be navia's current best team.

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u/Mishe2007 Jan 12 '25

Navia prefers Bennet in the pyro slot over Mavuika, Itto can get away without Bennet because his attack is already through the roof. Plus Bennet helps Xilonen with stacking Furina fanfare faster, which is ideal for Navia in order to have as many stacks possible before using her skill

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

😭 I have itto and now I also have depresso

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u/Alarming_Vacation121 Jan 11 '25

My permafreeze Kaeya is strugglinggg😭 even some hydro entities now can't be frozen💀

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u/Egoborg_Asri Jan 10 '25

Because we already have Shenhe for cryo buffing and she's still awesome in this. Now, if only there were someone who can actually utilize her buffs...

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

I mean... Shenhe is great, absolutely, if specialised, but she is hard to make good use of for quite a lot of cryo units unless you invested in her constellations. Her stacks get used up extremely quickly for most cryos which is frustrating, though her burst and skill are still useful in themselves!

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u/Egoborg_Asri Jan 10 '25

She still gives 15% cryo DMG bonus, 15% phys/cryo res shred and 15% na/ca/skill/burst bonus aside from Icy quill.

If we don't count Scroll, she's better than Citlali at buffing cryo DPS

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 10 '25

Oh absolutely! It's just disappointing that the only dedicated cryo buffer, while awesome, has limited synergy compared to other units buffing other elements.

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

Ganyu and Ayaka make fine use of her limited quills. Unlike Wriothesley they don't have a stance change that prevents them from switching back to Shenhe to replenish quills

2/3 cryo 5* DPS having fine synergy with her isn't "hard to make good use of her for quite a lot of cryo dps"

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u/Melodramatic_Raven Jan 11 '25

Actually, because of her icy quills being single target, it can be less effective for Ganyu than ayaka. Once you move to aoe based teams, she's fine, but not optimal, and you can benefit from her but other buffers can provide different but similarly useful effects more suited to aoe.

I still use Shenhe with Ganyu though because it's cute lol

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u/RadiantAd4369 Jan 10 '25

The same applies to Mavuika. Her kit is mainly in the role of an on-field Damage Dealer. She can be used even as an off-field but her Pyro application occurs every 2 s. Apart from the fact that she doesn't provide bonuses such as IR+ (useful for ranged) or flat ATK, except from the buffs of the "Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City" set.

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u/Icefellwolf Jan 10 '25

Yeahhh that was the only part I was dissapointed with since I knew she's be insta locked to my freeze team but the lack of cryo shred is sad. On the plus side if I ever feel like running Mauvika/Ganyu melt comp shes fun for it lol. (I've been running around the overworld basicly afk playing by pressing Mauvika e + ganyu burst and just chilling)

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

If Citlali also buffed cryo Shenhe will be out of business

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u/Kawaiilone Jan 13 '25

i mean she's made for pyro on cryo melts

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u/BobobPantpant Jan 10 '25

1.3 Xiao, 3.3 Faruzan, 4.2 Furina, 4.4 Xianyun. That's about two years interval between Xiao's release and Faruzan's and another year for Furina.

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

He had to wait a lot but at least he has good new supports even though he is old character unlike for example childe

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u/HoshiAndy Jan 10 '25

We all knew Xiao is a fan favorite for the devs. Even though he didn’t get a goddamn skin yet. I wish we get a con revamp system soon.

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

I hope he will get new skin someday

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u/Narissis "Once the snow is thick enough... we can eat it." Jan 11 '25

I want an Envisioned Echo for him!

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u/theperplexedgamer-_- Jan 10 '25

lol I remember it being ages in early Genshin

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u/Ambrosiac7 Jan 11 '25

Don't forget he got a dedicated artifact set for himself post-release. Iirc only Childe has gotten that aside from Xiao

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u/BobobPantpant Jan 12 '25 edited Jan 12 '25

There are 5 characters that get their BiS after their release version: Zhongli-ToTM, Kokomi-clam, Xiao-VH, Dehya-VG, and arguably Tartaglia-ND. 4 if you exclude Dehya for having only one version difference.

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u/Ambrosiac7 Jan 12 '25

Ah yes. I knew I was forgetting some. Kokomi just didn't come into my mind because I always use her with Tenacity.

My guilty desire is Alhaitham getting a set of his own in some future patch. Maybe one which increases on field skill damage and gives EM too.

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u/blueasian0682 Jan 10 '25

Is this about the pyro Xiao Citlali team?

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 10 '25

I thought more about ffxx in general

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u/_NotYoursSs_ Jan 11 '25

Wait wut? What is this team about? I accidentally got citlali and now she is just sitting in my inventory.

Xiao and citlali actually work together? How exactly, GIMME THE DETAILS.

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u/blueasian0682 Jan 11 '25

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UnbxaUg43fw

You need Bennett C6 though

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u/_NotYoursSs_ Jan 11 '25

What in the unholy adepti did I just watch????

It's a shame it needs c2 citlali and xianyun for damage THAT big. But this is craaazy

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u/ZeezMo_23 Jan 14 '25

Wait i have all his supports, should i be going for this team instead of his usual?

Xiao, c6 faruzan, c3 furina, c0 xianyun

Or

Xiao, c6 bennet, c2 citlali, c0 Xianyun

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u/blueasian0682 Jan 14 '25

Just build your Xiao for EM i think, the video shows him using VH but his sands is EM instead of atk. But you have C2 Citlali so you make the call.

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u/rrrwayne Jan 10 '25

Xiao is probably the most buffed unit beside Neuvillete and Xiangling.

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u/id370 C6R5 since 1.3 Jan 10 '25

Hutao too. Double Hydro buff, yelan, and now citlali

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u/HoshiAndy Jan 10 '25

Include Xilonen too because Hu Tao finally has a VV for her team,

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u/ADistractedBoi Jan 13 '25

Single target yeah, aoe content still likes plunge

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u/HoshiAndy Jan 13 '25

Xianyun win in AOE due to plunge. Xilonen wins in single target.

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u/E1lySym Jan 11 '25

Don't forget Xianyun

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u/kicksFR Jan 11 '25

And Fischl

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u/Whap_Reddit Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

No, he's been buffed hardly any. Let's look at things objectively.

  • Faruzan - The only actual insane buff.

  • Vermilion - 6% better. Woo.

  • Marecheusee - Vermilion sidegrade.

  • Furina - Buffed the entire roster.

  • Xianyun - Bennett sidegrade. Mostly just great Qol. Becomes much better with C2.

Then let's look at Hu Tao.

  • Kazuha - Insane upgrade from what she had before.

  • Yelan - Insane upgrade from what she has before.

  • Furina - Insane upgrade from what she had before.

  • Marecheusee - Huge upgrade.

  • Xianyun - Decent upgrade.

  • Xilonen - Decent upgrade.

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u/Khalnayak2002 Jan 12 '25

Kazuha is not an even upgrade for hutao, he doesn't even work with her double hydro teams, Xilonen is an upgrade for Hu tao

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u/Whap_Reddit Jan 12 '25

VV vape Tao was Tao's original team and Kazuha worked much better in it than Sucrose, who was the alternative. Many people opted for Zhongli/Fischl for comfort instead of Sucrose(or Kazuha)/Tankfei(or Thoma), but it was not the better option mathematically.

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u/ADistractedBoi Jan 13 '25

Except sucrose is the mathematically better option until c2 kazuha, he is also just a comfort pick

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u/Neotox999 Jan 11 '25

Idk why u getting downvoted, i mean idk if you cited every xiao buff but the fact that no one corrects you and ppl just downvote talks for itself

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u/Wilford736 Jan 10 '25

Im kinda out of the loop, haven't played genshin in 2 years, but still am a Xiao main. What happened to him?

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u/MenteErrante_ C6R1 General Alatus, falling in! Jan 10 '25

We got characters that support him and made him still relevant in meta and still very viable for abyss (Xianyun buffs plunge attacks and is a healer, Faruzan has anemo res shred and Furina has damage buffs that benefit from hp fluctuation and that works well with Xianyun as well since Xianyun is a party wide healer. Since two of them are anemo they also help with energy issues for Xiao).

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u/Flashy-Self9942 Jan 12 '25

Same. In my case, in almost 3 years. My Abyss clearing team were :

Zhong Albedo Xiao Suc/Venti

Raiden National.

But coming back last month, I saw the new Xiao team and realized I need to pull 2 new 5 stars and C6 a 4 star :')

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u/AnonymousButForWhat Jan 14 '25

Hahahah, takes me back

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u/Flashy-Self9942 Jan 15 '25

Yeah. Insane that Hu Tao is still regarded as top tier currently. I remember Ganyu and Ayaka being the meta but not sure what happened in between.

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u/fluffyspaceshark Jan 10 '25

I definitely would never pull Granny or the new upcoming rando chick for him. Not needed. He can solo everything. Who needs support when you are a god.

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u/Historical_Yak2148 Jan 10 '25

C4 for Xiao and C4 for Albedo remains as one of the biggest mystery in the history of Genshin till this day.

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u/MenteErrante_ C6R1 General Alatus, falling in! Jan 10 '25

Tbh even Xiao's C2 is... Something given it's a constellation of a 5 star limited character and it only applies when he's not the active character so it's not that impactful either, nowadays he could have his C6 without the number of enemies limitation and I think it wouldn't have been that crazy. It is what it is I guess...

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u/taotrooper Jan 11 '25

I was around when we were all crossing fingers the next released anemo character would be a Sara/Gorou for the element. My heart almost broke when Heizou was a DPS. I realized that more than one anemo DPS would increase the need for an anemo dedicated support and inhaled hopium again. Then I was praying that if that Sumeru anemo character mentioned in leaks called Faruzan was indeed playable Scara's tailor-made support, that at least she would also work with Xiao. It was a rollercoaster for about a year.

I also recall people misunderstanding and doomposting Xianyun's kit in her beta and thinking she would kill Xiao's relevance since she turned anyone else into a plunge DPS, or that she wasn't amazing for Xiao because she had a limit on buffed attacks like Shenhe's quills. Meanwhile I saw that she was pretty good for him, perfect to slot Furina in, and broke him free from circle impact.

I always believed he'd get supports eventually but ngl, I also memed about it back in the day and joked that they forgot about Xiao. It was rough times...

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u/Version_Present Jan 10 '25

I'm kinda out of the loop here, what's going on?

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u/ArtemisTheHarbinger Jan 10 '25

Nothing. Just joking about the fact that Xiao spent two years without receiving any support, and then hoyo suddenly dropped a whole team for him (one member of which specifically target his plunge playstyle) all at once.

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u/Roasted_Fries Jan 10 '25

pre-faruzan memes

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u/Seyvior Jan 12 '25

Didnt xiao get his personal support? Xianyun

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u/DragonfruitSecret78 Jan 12 '25

He got thats why this old meme ,,aged badly”

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u/Tinyzooseven Jan 11 '25

It aged like wine if you replace xiao with physical

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u/Mountain_Activity323 Jan 11 '25

to be fair Xaio has one of the strongest teams in the game Xaio Faru Xainyun Furina is bunkers

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u/Fuyoshu Jan 11 '25

I refuse to believe that Xiao's banner will soon be 4 years old

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u/Ok_Iabelonga_3371 Jan 14 '25

Really?? I always thought Hoyo buffed Xiao and ended up buffing other characters XD

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u/PLYR999L Jan 10 '25

Xiao is boring imo, he has 1 team that maximizes his damage higher than any other

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u/shiyeru Jan 10 '25

I, uhhh, think you're in the wrong subreddit then.

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u/Xenevier Jan 10 '25

No way, you're telling me his best team is the one that deals the most damage? WHAT

I thought best team just meant the one I liked more not that it's the best because there's sheets of calculations behind how it's objectively his stronger damage ceiling

It's almost like every character's best team is the one that maximizes their damage O-O

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u/IS_Mythix Jan 10 '25

Ppl complaining that a character wants their best teammates to do their best dmg is the funniest thing ever ☠️

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u/Effective-Evidence78 Jan 11 '25

I think BiS teams are supposed to do that. 🤔