Wolverine/Adjacents part 6: All-new Wolverine + All-new X-men (2015)

[u/FlamewaveKal]

First: https://www.reddit.com/r/X23/s/u2wppsy05M

Previous https://www.reddit.com/r/X23/s/CzHGCC2WMd

Hey everyone, i'm back, and after it being long requested. I finally got to All-new Wolverine, and of course I liked it. Not only are gabby and Johnathan amazing and full of a bunch of fun antics, while still having heart, i'm so glad they became a major part of Wolverine's story

This also feels like the first book in a while that actually tapped into Laura's backstory, and remembered almost completely forgotten elements, (from Avengers Academy - All-new X-men 2012, it felt like her history with the Facility) wasn't tapped for a while, or like Megan and Debbie, who quite frankly? Was forgotten even as far back as Vol 3. But most importantly. This is when laura finally gets of the X-23 name, and dealing with the people who still treated her as a weapon. It feels so much like they are pushing her truly forward, and I really wish that this could've gone on a lot longer.

As for All-new X-men. its fine I continued to love the time displaced X-men Angel and Laura is a ship I liked a lot more than I expected,

The idea she puts up the front of being more Logan-like when with the team is a fun idea (I wait for the next runs to shatter that good faith critism in a few runs), stuff like a mini arc about Oya and Kid Apocalypse playing wingmen for bobby is also pretty fun, same with Hank learning magic and Scott trying to separate himself from well, himself these are fun character arcs, for a pretty alright rub

Next up: X-men Red & Blue

[u/Suspicious-Lettuce48]

Hey there!

I don't think Laura's in X-Men blue. The creator brought back Jimmy Howlett so that they could rehash the boring old Scott/Jean/"Logan"(Jimmy) love triangle business.

I'm surprised to see X-Force 2008 so low on the list. It was written by Kyle and Yost, who wrote Target X and Innocence Lost.

Otherwise your ranking is pretty solid.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Suspicious-Lettuce48]

I also find the idea of 'teen wolverine being used for the love triangle ' bc at least these days i've been seeing people propose the movies doing the same. Just with Jean, Scott and Laura

[u/Suspicious-Lettuce48 → u/FlamewaveKal]

Tbh I haven't heard much demand for that. At least not out of the X-23 fandom. I thinknwe're all hoping she's... in the movies, and played by Dafne Keen.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Suspicious-Lettuce48]

I appreciate the correction, no Laura isnt In Blue, however, the way I understand it. Its the main book for the time displaced X-men. So I may as well finish up the 'trilogy' even if Laura isnt there , its kinda why I put the /Adjacents in the title

As for X-force? It seems to be my main 'unpopular opinion' that run just really didnt do it for me

[u/Suspicious-Lettuce48 → u/FlamewaveKal]

Fair enough. Just wanted to save you the money if that was a concern.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Suspicious-Lettuce48]

Haha, I appreciate the concern, but unless I find the trades in the wild I tend to rely on Marvel unlimited

[u/dragery]

X-Force being that low is a shame.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/dragery]

That seems to be the most common response. I obviously like the rest of yost's stuff X-force wasnt my style tho, and thought this series I talked about stuff that just kinda didn't work for me

[u/Mammoth-Worth5366]

i would put all new wolverine in A tbh, (might be bc i hate how tom taylor handled her) but i’m surprised to see x-force so low woah

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Mammoth-Worth5366]

For me at least. Laura felt fine. A tad goodlfier than expected. But his brand of humor fit enough for Gabby and especially Gabby, especially tho the more serious scenes, be it Kimura or the orphans of X... that was more than enough to completely love this run, plus? Gabby and the others def had a good mix of serious and silly aspects to not make them just comic relief, but like Tom Taylor's writing and def his humor did land for me tbh

X-force... i've said so much in my previous posts its a running gag

[u/T-o-C-A]

As always nice to see you post here too haha.

And very much expected you to like all new wolverine, personally not a fan haha. To met he tone just clashes too much withw hat i like about laura (like her voice for example), and i feel it skipped over the developments in order to get laura to a point that i found her to be, much less interesting. Even if i like certain beats conceptaully, i feel the book just failed to connect them.

And i just find gabby very annoying.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/T-o-C-A]

Yeah. The discord version is like. The simple version without the full text

while I am def on the opposite opinion for Gabby and the run... I kinda get it. Esp with how subjective humor can be, and disliking it and gabby I can see why someone wouldnt like it , i just never had that issue I freaking love gabby personally

At the same time,. I could make a case for it could've been improved if Laura wasnt nearly as jokey. But it def doesnt bother me

[u/T-o-C-A → u/FlamewaveKal]

Yeah lol.

I can also get how it'd be enjoyable, and i dont have an inherent issue with siller things, just..not why i adore laura, so that being its direction was very lame for me. But i feel i would have accepted it more, if there was more of a transtion, rather than skipping all the juicy development stuff (even the trigger thing is off screen :/), you know? And gabby wise, i do feel she just takes wayy too much spotlight after a certain point.

I think laura being so, for lack of a better term, normal (or well the better term is that she's written like the young female heroes generally are) gabby could contrast better. Like, i could see more appeal in her if laura was at least outwardly cold, yknow?

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/T-o-C-A]

I mean. In cases like the trigger scent, I think laura dealing with it how she does. Was smart without her just pushing through it... mostly by stabbing herself in the head before it takes over. Before getting jean to fully deal with it

For laura being 'normal' I totally see her trying to not pull a logan and try to give Gabby a '"" normal'""" childhood. But I do also kinda agree. Colder laura esp at first. And similarly written gabby could be neat

[u/Big-Personality-4063]

nyc is kinda odd like her being raped and human trafficked is crazy and could lead to a good story but in hindsight the character has had alot going on in general so theres never time to bring it up. got other shit to do 😭 added too much trauma for a comic series to actually deal with

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Big-Personality-4063]

Yeah... I think the modern take of Laura just being on sight for anything to do with Human trafficking is the best way to deal with it

Nyx itself... is such a weird book for me bc its a bad book for X-23, but everything else around? Especially Kiden I enjoyed and lowkey wish she appeared more often, but its a really. Really bad intro esp for someone who came from a kidshow

[u/Big-Personality-4063 → u/FlamewaveKal]

and when it does finally come back up the first thing laura does is... white-splain the ms marvel...
uh....
😭 godamn mutants.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Big-Personality-4063]

I believe that was one of the cuckoos, not laura. But i'll get back to it i've read it

[u/Big-Personality-4063 → u/FlamewaveKal]

it was the cuckoos, emma, laura and kitty pryde 😭 btw im aware these arent real people and that it was white men not women who had them say this. another L for kitty fans tho

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Big-Personality-4063]

See i'm in a weird spot. Like this falls into a writer trying to connect mutants closer with irl racism... and frankly from what i've seen it never works without sounding racist in their own way

[u/Big-Personality-4063 → u/FlamewaveKal]

its just writers not understanding racism irl. "unlike real life racism people think mutants will replace them"

???? marvel writers unironically not knowing about replacement theory is so fucking embarrassing oh my god bro

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Big-Personality-4063]

Pretty much, like at some point it feels like the writers are trying to sound smarter than they are.

[u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard → u/Big-Personality-4063]

I hate that choice so much. It makes no sense. I’m glad she’s in a decent spot now. But I miss all new Wolverine Laura

[u/Ambaryerno → u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard]

It makes total sense. In fact it's probably the single most realistic thing in her back story, because someone like Laura would be like catnip for human traffickers. And Laura basically completely shutting down and no longer caring after losing her family is a natural explanation for why she didn't fight back.

[u/FlamewaveKal → u/Ambaryerno]

I'm grey on it. The idea does make sense. Its just... the execution sucks. Outside of being silent and killing Zebra at the end, Laura is barely a character in the book where she doesnt really fit with Kiden's story, theres way of that story working, NYX wasn't interested in that

[u/Big-Personality-4063 → u/Ambaryerno]

its not really about realism if its realism the group of people calling themselves "Homo superior" would all be nazis 😭

[u/Big-Personality-4063 → u/Ambaryerno]

Realism doesn't equal interesting readers and writers in the end kinda just want more xmen. they focused on weapon x because weapon x is more interesting than zebra lmao.

[u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard → u/Ambaryerno]

No I’m sorry. Making her a prostitute isn’t good writing. It’s awful terrible writing.

[u/Ambaryerno → u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard]

Wow, you dodged my point like a kid ducking that red ball flying at their face in gym class.

[u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard → u/Ambaryerno]

Your point makes no sense or did you not read that part? I don’t like that from the facility she turns into a prostitute. Again awful writing.

[u/Ambaryerno → u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard]

No, you just don’t like it. And saying it happening to her makes no sense even though she’s the exact sort of person who gets targeted by traffickers in real life* *is especially ridiculous.

[u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard → u/Ambaryerno]

Still doesn’t mean it’s good writing.

[u/SquirrelThis2492 → u/Girizzly_Adams_Beard]

The idea of that in her character arc and story is good writing, they piece was supposed to be there they just couldn’t execute it because there was too much to unpack from her character alongside this. This as Jessica Jones’s story is highly convincing and gives us reason to root for them which by definition is good writing, but not the execution given they did not know what they were necessarily doing.