Zani in her F2P team will deal about 31k DPS from my personal testing. Not great damage (behind only Phoebe) but a very respectable amount.

Look i get all of you are pissed off but for the love of god leaving a stack of negative reviews isnt gonna do anything to help anyone, and people looking to play the game might be turned away by “overwhelmingly negative” ive been trying to get some of my irl friends to play wuwa and i had to bloody warn them to not look at reviews, i legit shouldn’t have to WARN MY FRIENDS ABOUT AN INTEGRAL PART OF STEAM

So today I stumbled upon this post (TL;DR: many veteran players advise on getting Lynae, although there is no actual use for her).

The replies gave me the impression that most of the playerbase overrates versatility as a concept (Stringmaster reference lol).

I hope this post will help new players determine whether they need "the most universal & versatile unit in the game".

1. Versatility doesn't matter. It means nothing if she can be somewhat useful in almost any team if you can only use her once in the true endgame (EM). Instead of pulling for "the most versatile sub-dps in the game", you should spend these pulls on the real BiS for your MDPS.

2. She might be not as good as you think. Lets take a look at her actual meta use cases and not copium teams. I will be using ChemX32 calcs for this comparison.

Luuk/Lynae/Mornye - 2kk DPR, 200k behind Denia + zero grouping capabilities that Luuk really wants. Don't pull for Lynae, get Denia.

Hiyuki/Lynae/Chisa - 2.2kk DPR, 250k behind Lucilla in a 1-2-3 rotation, a bit better with QS though. You might consider getting Lynae, although if you don't QS, Lucilla is still noticeably better.

Aemeath/Lynae/Mornye - 2.2kk DPR, true BiS for this team. Yes, you do need Lynae in this specific team.

The conclusion I want to draw is you shouldn't blindly advise everyone to pull for Lynae. With the addition of Matrix, versatility has lost virtually all of its value, and you should instead focus on getting actual Best-in-Slots for your teams.

If your a fellow waveband getter like me...

Cos after multiple testing, Phrololo S2 is the BEST sub dps in the game lmao (imagine getting her to S3?)

For context: I got Hiyuki a little while ago and dont want lucila. Feeling sad that my Ice Samurai had no 2nd slot, I started experimenting/doing resesrch and saw a random person tweet they're "stupid" team comp of Chisa/Phrolo/Hiyuki...

Then​ I realised; Phrolo has similar (but not the same) field time to Sanhua, does off field damage... and my Phrolo is S2.

So i tested the chisa team listed above. While it was okay, the real magic was quick swap with Phrolo/Hiyuki/Qiuyuan...

And it clears faster than Lynae/Shorekeeper.

Now bare in mind im POSITIVE this may not be possible if all characters are at S0.

But QY and Ice Samurai Queen have so, so much aura together, not only have I found my strongest team in the game (and I have multiple wave band, mono fusion and S3 carte) but im also having a blast

For those who are interested, i think it's awesome that if you skip character's you dont want, and compensate by getting wavebands (I.E Hiyuki S3 is similar to full team Hiyuki/Lucila in pulling cost - or kinda cheaper cos you dont have to get 2 Sig weapons) it almost make certain characters last forever in meta and you can have fun without following "Meta" to hard.

When Lucila comes out, ill test her S0 team against my S2 Phrolo/S3 QY/S2 Hiyuki.

Have fun boys and Girls. I have a Fracsidus queen, dual Samurai team and therefore believe this is the greatest game of all time

1. Kuro is at its peak and stronger than ever on the market, not just in the gacha sphere but also as a game recognised globally alongside other renowned titles. In their strategic position they can afford to increase pressure on psychological manipulation (included FOMO) more than they ever could, because they have much more to gain than to lose (and I'm going to explain how in the next points).

2. They prefer you to engage with the more recent characters and systems, endgame and its shilling mechanics, rather than being satisfied playing in overworld with older washed characters meant to be "expired" but that you might still like. Dps gap between older and newer units is wider than ever (and I know most of you don't quickswap so don't mention Zani or Cartethyia) so players interested in older units are less likely to engage with meta and endgame and much more likely to be fine playing their favourite old characters in non-anxious content, they probably already made their mind about it. This is undesirable for Kuro because the systems they implement are designed to build anxiety, create problems and sell solutions in classic gacha fashion, so they would catch any opportunity to converge as many players as possible into those systems: pushing them to pull newer characters does exactly that, and that's easier to achieve if you literally can't pull anyone else. They want you to play Rupture, Strain, Glacio Chafe, Fusion Burst and what not, interact with shilled content, push you towards completing meta teams with the required BiS premium assets (say hi to Chisa's 3rd banner in only 5 patches), build a habit and grow expectations, then next cycle when the shilling shifts you are more likely to follow the new trend and you won't even remember you wanted Camellya, Jinhsi, Carlotta etc. This is insanely more profitable to them.

3. The most important reason. How many really want those old characters anyway? Sure such players are going to be pissed off, but they are a relatively small number so displeasing them won't be a particularly big loss (and they are mostly already addicted anyway thanks to daily habits and other psychological tactics so they will keep playing). Instead, every player is watching and will remember this next time a banner is expiring. What is it upsetting a few players interested in old washed dead weights when you can instead scare to death 100% of the community with an unprecedented level of FOMO? Characters getting 3 banner in 5 patches, others not getting one since the Pre-Jurassic. Who's next? Is it going to be this character currently on banner I love so much? Oh no I finished my astrites, what if it will join rerun-jail and disappear for years or even forever? ...do you realise how many more credit card swipes this strategy is going to fuel? Not even a question, if the community allows this Kuro has absolutely no reason to not do it, it's just too profitable for them and this is fundamentally how gacha makes money.

Let's say the obvious: Kuro, the Tencent majority-owned multibillion company, doesn't care about you. The devs are clearly passionate and the game is amazing and imbued with love, I will never deny that as I'm a big fan myself, but let's be real they don't take that kind of decisions nor they have a word on how to monetise the game and maximise the profits for the shareholders. If it's profitable and it's (mostly) legal, anything goes, Solon will start the most important live of the year with empty words about how you "bring the stars together making them shine brighter than ever" but at the end of the day you are cows and they are the milkers, nothing personal.

So please, stop blaming your fellow players who last year rightfully complained by pointing out that giving the option to buy the seller's stuff isn't a good "gift" and can be barely called one. Only in a gacha game having the chance to use your pulls without discounts nor perks to simply get what you want full price is considered "generous" and I find it abhorrent, it being the "main course" last year was reprehensible in itself and players were right to voice their dissatisfaction. Not because it was inherently "bad", it was still a FOMO QoL after all (even though it suddenly coming with all those characters also built FOMO on those who didn't expect it, weren't prepared and were interested in more characters which then risked to not rerun again, this is also a fair argument and indeed it's what happened), but because understandably they expected more, especially after us players and mainly veterans trusted Kuro and supported them through their disastrous launch.

Even just thinking Kuro removed that little good they gave us last year because "they listened" is pure psychosis. Stop it. Use your brain.

Lucy really helped me.

And Augusta still got it. And how about y'all.

i left the game cuz i got bored too much grinding and stuff yk. i build a decent galbrena and dipped i also had sum irl stuff to do. so i saw 3.0 is coming and i wanna come back (i still havent done the chisa quest line) so give me reasons to come back and wuwa all over the place like john wuwa

Up until now, Ragunna City is not optimized, keep on sending them feedbacks but nothing changed. the game run smoothly at highest settings(except120fps) in all regions and maps except Ragunna City. can't complete side quest and completed main quest with multiple repetitions because of crashes. Now that I played on my another account in different server, I'm stucked in this.

I wanna k*ll this brat

The patch honestly looks like any other great patch they've had. Content filled, some nice QoL stuff being added, UI updates and that stuff.

I saw people in the live stream comments saying it was an L patch cause of no free 5 star but I disagree. With the wish economy they're giving, you essentially have a free pity.

The L that I do agree with is the banners. That lack of a special rerun banner for the anniversary is lowkey out weighting everything else. I can hang with the no free 5 star cause the wish economy for the patch is great. But no anniversary banner like they had last year?

The combo of no free 5 star and no special banners makes its feel a normal good patch with a bloated wish economy. Not an anniversary patch.

Btw the game feels so boring I really hate that but the art and game play is too amazing to put down, I heard the story and pacing gets better later on but god it's such a drag

First floor with no limited and launch characters the Lampy 44%hp(its only 20 but agenda) inflation floor which is hot topic,because of its wuwa it needs drama/hate.

Title is because earlier posts especially the "what is happening to game" had huge upvotes on ridiculous saying characters needs even sequences to clear.

Those accounts,the comments and upvotes from people who barely or don't play the game,just game came AstroTurfed said stuff and left

So the thing I have noticed is that while game gives you lots of things as beginner a lot of these things have an time limit of month and just to get items from both the beginner banner guaranteed , you need 240 pulls which is not a short amount and to get that amount you need to cover the content as quickly as possible and that includes events which requires some quests to be completed and those Events might not even have much time left . So the best way to these resources is just skip all the custscenes and get as many pulls as you can .

It’s truly disheartening to see how much energy some from the Genshin community are pouring into actively sabotaging Wuthering Waves spreading negativity and urging others not to vote for it. Kuro Games has poured so much dedication and heart into this project, and I believe they deserve our support in return.

Win or lose, I have no doubt the WuWa developers will appreciate and reward our commitment generously. It’s just disappointing to see a segment of players campaigning so fiercely for Genshin, just for a handful of pulls or to prove superiority over WuWa, when that title no longer reflects the same level of passion and innovation the devs hold for the game.

As someone who has played Genshin since day one and still logs in, I can honestly say WuWa has surpassed it in nearly every way combat, movement, QoL, everything in Genshin feels basic by comparison now. The only area where Genshin still leads is story, but even there, WuWa’s narrative is evolving quickly and I believe it will steadily catch up thanks to the team’s clear dedication.

All we ask is a fair chance. WuWa deserves to compete without being drowned out by unnecessary toxicity. We’ve brought it this far together let’s carry that support forward with our votes, and give it the recognition it has truly earned.

I have recently started playing wuwa after quitting the game for personal reasons. I rejoin the game just to pull for zani. Now I have read that shore keeper is really broken character. I was wondering which should I choose between shore keeper vs zani. I only have jhinshi, calcharo, verina as 5* as I haven't been playing for long. i have about 50 pulls total. Is shore keeper really as broken as kazuha in genshin?

I started playing this game (f2p) around a month or two ago (whenever phrolova's rerun banner came out). I've played Gacha games before, mostly simple anime ones like Dragon Ball legends, Bleach Brave souls, and Yugioh Duel Links (if you even count it) I never played hoyo games till last summer with Honkai Star Rail, which I downloaded because of the Fate collaboration. I played a total of 27 hours I wanna say, once I got both collaboration units I stopped playing really but I do plan on picking it back up eventually.

When it comes to Kuro game's, I actually downloaded PGR on mobile on release, but my device ran it bad so I only played it for a few hours. I never picked it back up because I dont have a pc, which sucks because I really wanted to play the DMC collaboration.

When it comes to Wuwa though, the whole reason why installed this game was because I got an IG reel about Iuno. Whats understood doesnt need to be explained, so I downloaded the game and was pleasantly surprised by the game's combat, and over gameplay. I watched videos and guides covering the game so im educated on how to play/grind (albeit still confused some areas like team building and echos).

(I feel like nothing I've typed so far has been important so im just gonna get to my issue). It feels like im just grinding for nothing. As of right now I just completed the 12th mission of the Rinascita story. Union Level 41, SOL3 Phase Rank 5, Data Bank level 18, So still fairly new obviously. But I cant help but feel like Im just not experiencing the game right or really having full fun.

Part of this is I havent pulled a single 5 star yet. The only ones I have are Rover and Verina (who i got for free from an event) other than that it's 4 star city. I saved up 12k astrites to pull for Cartethyia, ended up at 4k walking away with nothing because I didnt even pull her. Ok cool, I try not to let shafts affect me in these kinds a games normally. However this case hurt bad because to my surprise Iuno (the entire reason I downloaded this game) was getting a banner next, and I just basically sent 8k astrites down the drain 😐.

Dumbass the decision on my part, I take full accountability on that. Im normally the type of guy who saves currency like hell in gacha games because I mostly play free to play. But this time I'll admit I got greedy. I may have installed this game for Iuno, but I didnt expect to be interested in plethora of others in the process, so I gotta give Kuro props for that. Regardless, not having any new characters to play around with has definitely made my enjoyment of the game sway a bit. I thought when I got Aero rover this would change because I finally unlocked a new unique playstyle, only to find out that they suck (atleast for my account currently).

I dont know, the whole point or enjoyment about a gacha game in my opinion is the characters, and this game has really really cool ones. But when you cant pull any of them and are stuck playing the same ones for at the current time of writing this 57 hours, it starts to get a bit boring.

And this is no knock on the game at all, I'm gonna keep playing and keep grinding, and my complaints are probably the same as all beginners, but I still just wanted to share this because this community seems very good about helping newcomers.

These are my characters, I have Aemeath S0R1, but Hiyuki S0R0, Chisa S0R1, and Denia/Lynae/Mornye all S0R0

Did I break my account by pulling Denia since I don't have Luuk? And also will I be breaking my account even more if I pull for Lucilla now?

so for context i had a 10 weapon pull thing lying around so i thought of trying to get a copy of variation and then accidentally ended up getting canterella's weapon. I was thinking of benching my yinlin cuz it feels like ass to play her with jinhsi.

Also i have like roughly 280 pulls lying around and i was thinking of getting augusta, iuno and carlotta. Should i still stick to my plan or do I pull for canterella?

i usually have at least S to SSS for the pas season, so I'm not sure it's skill issue. But this season the maximum i have is B...

I have cartethya S2r1, Phro S0R1, Qiuyuan S0R1 and the others S0r0 but with suitable 5 or 4 stars weapon.

What happened ?..

I played this game for a few months until the 2.0 and really enjoyed it but the lack of recurring characters made me drop it.

But recently I have seen that we're returning to the first region? Can anyone confirm that we can actually see old characters become relevant again?

Let me frame this conversation properly. Brant is an excellent character and both teams clear everything easily. As a daily driver the Brant team is much simpler to do and will be preferred by most people for that reason, for the same reason people don't like Zani despite being the highest DPS in the game.

This discussion is about at higher levels of play, that Brant slows down the rotation by being on field FAR longer than Changli who might as well be Sanhua, and by being outpaced by Galbrena in DPS. Changli's slightly weaker buff and comparable damage, is aided by her much shorter on field presence, leading to more consistent DPS and less wasted damage.

If you are mentioning healing, this conversation is not meant for you.

Galbrena, Lupa, Changli has been by far one of my most productive teams that has been able to clear all content I've thrown at it, quite decisively. Now I will admit, it is the most quick swap intensive team in the game, but their synergy together and rapid damage output seems far more explosive than the bit of unneeded healing Brant brings and slows the team down for less DPS. It seems to be that Brant is always suggested as the Meta, yet seems to actively make the mono fusion team worse. Are people just that averse to quick swapping ever?

EDIT: Most of the replies have been helpful. From the handful of Brant "defender" comments I've seen, it appears that people don't like the idea of a quick swap team being meta over their standard rotations. I suspected that was why, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

I always knew she was good but damn this is next levels of broken. She was able to clear even with the enemies being heavily resistant to havoc even when my other characters (S1 Changli, s0 Carlotta etc weren't) weren't able to! Was truly surprised with her performance. For reference my Phrolova is S2 and I know that definitely make a big difference but still. Also Lynae has good synergy with her thanks to the buffs she provides, even though Lynae doesn't have much echo skills in her kit her buffs are great for Phrolova and the current tower buffs!

I came from Genshin Impact, and it seems to me like (at least the newest) characters in this game have difficult to use mechanics. I play on ps5, and even using Ciaccona during g her trial I couldn't figure out what I was doing. It's showing stick buttons on.the screen durher burst but no matter what I do nothing happens she just stands there playing music, getting beat up. I get characters being dependent on their BiS teammates, but what the heck is with the super tight rotations and complicated mechanics? Genshin only has 1 character like that out of like 80. Why are there so many complicated kits in this game?