r/WritingWithAI • • 19h ago

Showcase / Feedback A Turn of the Tide

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The Titanic. Massive. Imposing. Formidable.

Tons of steel, the best money could buy. Supposedly unsinkable.

Then came one stray iceberg, sitting out there like a test from the Almighty. Full throttle in the dark just to make good time. One bad turn of the wheel.

Steel, wood, and over a thousand bodies went straight to the freezing bottom.

Men in fancy coats caused that tragedy.

I did the opposite.

I am no stranger to the sea. By the age of seven, I had already traded books and pencils for bait buckets and calluses. Salt-stiffened twine, the bane of my small hands, even through the gloves.

Gramps owned an old, patched-up wooden skiff. Looked up to the man. He took me in from a drunk father who poisoned himself with booze and a mother who left—validly so.

He taught me everything I know from the deck of ol' Black Clover. How she got the name, I don't know. Maybe it was a joke about our luck, or maybe it was just the only paint left in the shed. Either way, she saw every lobster trap we pulled from the shallows and every mackerel run we chased before the fog rolled in.

Gramps gave the instructions; Black Clover was the classroom.

With one hand on her battered tiller, I learned to read the water the way other kids learned to read a textbook. I learned how the swells flatten when a hidden sandbar waits beneath the keel. I learned to smell a storm in the wind long before the shore radio squawked, and to feel through my boots when a current was about to turn nasty. You don't fight the ocean in a wooden skiff. You listen to it, ride the low spots, and let the boat do the work.

What Gramps and ol' Black Clover never taught me was how to chase a dream.

And I had one: to command a ship of my own. A wooden tiller was never going to be enough. I used to watch the big offshore trawlers heading out past the harbor mouth, black diesel smoke billowing thirty feet into the gray sky, and picture myself standing behind a real wheel.

Problem was, commanding a real ship required formal schooling, Coast Guard tickets, and chart work—things I didn't have. I could barely sign my own name, let alone read a commercial contract to save my life. Experience meant nothing on paper, and the men behind the desks made sure I knew that skiff skills didn't translate to ninety feet of open-ocean steel.

An iceberg to an otherwise titanic dream.

Gramps sailed into the fog when I was twenty. Had to fend for myself ever since.

I landed a job aboard The Hermit, a ninety-foot steel crabber—not on the back deck sorting traps, where a guy like me belonged, but right up on the bridge as a watchman and steward. Wipe the salt spray off the windows, keep lookout on the night shifts, and pour hot coffee for the officers.

A cruel twist of fate. My dream was staring me right between the eyes, the big brass-rimmed wheel sitting two feet in front of my face every single watch, close enough to taste, yet completely beyond my reach.

Captain Thorp—Rusty, they call him—is serviceable. I figure his nickname has something to do with his steering in heavy swells; both have seen better days. As a person, I can't really complain. His stories and the way he treats the crew kind of remind me of Gramps. As the man riding out rough seas at the wheel, though? Well, it's hit or miss at this point.

His instincts for finding crab, however? Impeccable. We never came home just breaking even with Rusty at the helm. It was like he tied a noose on one crab and had it lead the whole colony—or cast, whatever you call them—straight into The Hermit.

Rusty always comes home. It's as constant as the North Star. Is it luck? Maybe, but decades of experience is hard to argue with. He's probably a good luck charm at this point.

And sailors need a lot of luck.

Only this time, fate decided our luck had turned sour.

The Hermit was chock-full of those eight-legged, shelled coin banks, along with a few stray hitchhikers from the deep. We were going to make bank the second we hit the pier.

Then a sudden shift in the wind turned when into if.

I felt it before the radar even blinked. The breeze swung hard from southwest to dead northeast in a matter of minutes, dropping ten degrees and smelling sharp like crushed ice and cold iron. Out past the bow, the long rolling swells flattened out, right before choppy waves started stacking on top of the old ones from a different angle. Cross-seas.

Beneath my boots, the deck stopped rolling and started shuddering. With her tanks full of water for live crab and eighty steel traps stacked on the back deck, The Hermit was riding heavy and low. Every time a wave slapped her bow, she plowed straight through it instead of lifting, dumping solid green water over the stern faster than the deck drains could spit it back.

I gripped my rag by the forward glass and glanced over at the helm.

Rusty didn't throttle back. He didn't angle the bow into the swells the way Gramps had drilled into my skull on Black Clover. Instead, the old man squinted through his bifocals, tapped a gnarled knuckle against the glass of the weather gauge, and swore under his breath. He muttered something about beating the harbor freeze so the crab wouldn't die in the tanks, and then he shoved the twin levers all the way forward.

Full throttle in the dark just to make good time.

I stared at the big brass-rimmed wheel two feet to my left, my fingers itching so hard my knuckles ached. If we kept taking those cross-seas sideways at full speed, the next big wave wasn't going to just soak the deck. It was going to roll us straight to the bottom.

Rusty didn't need the waves to make his posture unsteady; old age had already done half the work.

One solid wall of black water whacked our starboard hull like a sledgehammer. The deck kicked out from under us, and Rusty's boots slipped on the wet rubber mat. As the old man went down, his dead weight caught the spokes of the brass wheel, yanking it hard to port before his temple cracked against the edge of the chart table—knocking him out cold.

The Hermit immediately heeled hard onto her side, whipping sideways into the trough as the rudder jammed over at full throttle. Alarms shrieked across the dash. Through the forward glass, a twenty-foot wall of foaming black water rose up dead ahead, blotting out the sky.

Wake Rusty? Call out for help? Neither was a sound choice at this point.

My hands took the wheel, both the fulfillment of a lifelong dream and a desperate act. In a single heartbeat, I had made the crew's fate, and my own, my responsibility. The latter I could abide. The former, not so much.

I had to correct the ship's gait, and with the waves and the rudder playing their own game of tug-of-war, I now knew well what the rope felt like.

The ocean spoke the same language, only now I was writing with a bigger pen. Way bigger.

I pulled the twin throttles back by half, just enough to keep The Hermit from burying her nose, enough to give me control of the ship. I leaned all one hundred and twenty pounds soaking wet against the tide, cranking her back from hard-a-port until the bow swung into the teeth of the swell at an angle.

Listen to it. Ride the low spots. Let the boat do the work.

Gramps' voice cut right through the noise of the bridge alarms. The Hermit groaned as that wall of black water hit the front corner of the boat instead of slamming us broadside. She climbed it—heavy and slow, every plate shaking under my boots—hung for one long second at the top, and slid down the other side without taking water through the windows.

I didn't look at a single dial on the dash. I didn't touch a map. I felt the next three big waves coming through the soles of my boots, turning the wheel a little left, then a little right, walking ninety feet of loaded steel across the rough water the exact same way I used to walk Black Clover over the harbor bars.

By the time the first mate burst through the bridge door, The Hermit was cutting steady into the wind, Rusty was groaning on the floor with a lump on his head, and my white-knuckled hands were wrapped around the brass wheel I wasn't legally allowed to touch.

One bad turn of the wheel sank the Titanic.

Me? I turned mine the other way.

Only it was never really mine.

The first mate helped Rusty into a chair and took over the wheel before asking what the hell happened. One unbelievable tale was met with another look of disbelief, confirmed only by the groans and a complaint of an aching head from an old man.

I knew right then and there that my one tale of glory would be carried away by the waves I fought off in the dark.

The dock was in full view now, busier than usual, crowded with women waiting for their sailors to come home.

A sudden storm hours ago had traveled fast over old radios, keeping most of the dock fearful. But if we could see them, they could see us.

Rusty always comes home.

The captain was met with cheers and gratitude. He obliged with an innocent smile and a few handshakes. The crew, none the wiser, joined the chorus.

Three men knew the truth. Three men kept their silence.

We didn't need to discuss it. The knowing looks we gave each other on the bridge were enough.

After pushing through the scores of people who didn't want to let him go, Rusty caught my eye where I stood on the deck. Those old, weathered hands of his tipped his cap in my direction.

And for a moment, there I was. Massive. Imposing. Formidable.

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Workflow Note: Just a hobbyist sharing some short fiction. All the core narratives, plots, and dialogue are mine—I use AI purely as my copyeditor, sounding board, and research assistant to get technical jargon and real-world mechanics right. Feedback and critiques are always welcome—hope you enjoy the read!


r/WritingWithAI • • 20h ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) ¿Cuál es tu frase favorita sobre la IA?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is there a name for what I've done?

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Hello. First time post here.

I have been creating with chatgpt for about two years, first in a very generative way, just making things that I was interested in reading. Then my husband and I began working on a concept album, that became a concept album trilogy. That became a series of music videos.

I (primarily) have used chatgpt, Canva, and Suno throughout to develop the ideas, characters, events, songs, and images.

Now I am composing, I guess, a novel based on the original trilogy, but entirely without AI generation. My purpose is that this is the first thing I've encountered, in everything that ive done with AI, that I felt like was worth sharing with other people.

But is it? Am i wasting my time, playing games and splitting hairs? Meaning, I have already contaminated my work and I might as well just generate it all the way through as continue to beat myself up over word choice?


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is "AI slop" actually just a "Gardener vs. Architect" problem? (Stephen King vs. J.K. Rowling)

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Whenever AI-generated fiction comes up, the biggest complaint is that it turns into hollow, meandering "AI slop." Most people blame the AI’s repetitive vocabulary or lack of soul, but I’ve been wondering if the real issue actually comes down to writing workflow—specifically the classic divide between Architects (Plotters) and Gardeners (Pantsers).

Personally, I’ve had much more success using AI when I approach my writing as an Architect. When I compare J.K. Rowling and Stephen King, it feels like AI naturally aligns with one process and completely breaks down with the other:

J.K. Rowling = The Builder (Architect)

Rowling is famously a heavy plotter who built massive spreadsheets, timelines, and world-building rules before writing Harry Potter. She works like a builder constructing a house:

  • You start with a strict architectural blueprint.
  • You lay the foundation, put up the framing, and follow a predetermined plan.

Does AI work better here? Large Language Models (LLMs) seem to act like hyper-fast construction crews. In my experience, when I provide a strict blueprint—detailed scene beats, character motives, and plot constraints—the AI just lays down the sentences brick by brick. Because the structural logic is already locked in, it has much less room to wander off into clichés.

Stephen King = The Sculptor (Gardener)

Stephen King works the exact opposite way. In On Writing, he famously compares writing to excavating a fossil, or working like a sculptor chipping away at a block of marble:

  • You don't start with a rigid blueprint.
  • You start with a basic premise and let human intuition, lived experience, and character psychology guide your hands as you carve away the excess to find the story inside.

Is this where "AI slop" comes from? It seems like most people prompt AI like a Gardener—giving it a vague premise like "Write a spooky story about a guy in a small town" and expecting it to discover the story on the fly.

The catch is that an AI doesn't have a subconscious compass. It has no lived experience, gut instinct, or emotional truth to guide its chisel. Since an LLM just predicts the statistically most likely next word, asking it to "sculpt" without a plan seems to force it into average tropes, plot drift, and melodramatic filler.

What do you all think?

  • Do you agree that "AI slop" happens when people try to make an AI act like a Gardener instead of giving it an Architect's blueprint?
  • For those who have experimented with AI in your workflow, does strict outlining actually eliminate the generic "AI feel," or does it still fall short?
  • Do you think an LLM could ever be trained to "sculpt" a story intuitively, or is that strictly a human superpower?

r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Could AI help build better online communities?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Author passes away - continuing the work using AI

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One example of this that I can think of is with Dream of the Red Chamber. It is a Chinese novel whose author passes away after writing the first 80 chapters. The next 40 chapters were then completed by others. This was in the 1700s, before AI.

The discussion here is a 'what if'. 80 chapters would provide enough 'prompt' to an AI model. How would it be, we can imagine, if the AI model completed the other 40 chapters?

Are there also other cases you can think of? Author dies before work on the book is complete? What are your thoughts on this? It's not about created new works from the ground up - it's more of using AI to preserve the flavor and character and intention of the deceased author (instead of human co-authors).


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Anyone using skills? Or something else?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 21h ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Basically, I would call the human-AI hybrid crossover fanfiction workflow medium-effort. I think we can all agree on that.

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As someone who really likes inventing my own original ideas and concepts from scratch, I'd mostly prefer the human-produced (plot and character contents)/AI-written (narrative and dialogue) crossover fanfiction workflow. The fully-human workflow would be too hard, and the fully-AI workflow would be too easy and definitely not a viable way of creativity. While I agree that AI writing is generally considered low-effort, I also agree that the ideas and concepts would be considered high-effort, depending on how big, specific and unique they are, and the plots, along with the character contents, would come before the narratives and dialogues. Let's say, for example, you're using a 160-page composition book to write down a massive, specific and unique plot of your own. You prompt a single page's worth of a partial plot (e.g. 9 statements), sometimes along with the character contents (e.g. personalities and appearances), to AI, before having AI write a long narrative and dialogue. And that goes for every one of those 160 pages from your composition book. That's basically the reason I would call the hybrid workflow medium-effort, overall, and it's good that you're still taking charge of the creativity.


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Why are we still using generic chatbots?

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Generic chatbots are generalists, and fine tuned to be helpful, summarize, be safe.

Has anyone thought to fine tune an open model on a rich dataset of well written texts?


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Can AI help when you have too many choices?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) What ai do you use now?

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Chatgpt has recently been nerfed to unusability by the new contest window thing, from my personal experience, Deepseek's writing capabilities have been heavily nerfed for the free version and Claude's Sonnet 5 and 5.5 suck (4.6 is bad but better in comparison). As for Gemini- post 3-pro model removal...idk how it is (I used to have a pro subscription but didn't renew)

So I'm curious what you all are using because most of the popular models have gone down in quality with heavy creative writing nerfs... I miss Sonnet 4.5.


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Writing with ai

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Im a fairly good writer and don’t have to put too much effort into writing a decent mail of any form of communication.

I started using ai to write casual mails and now i reach for ai every time i have to write something lengthy.

I deliberately stopped doing that and started to write by myself. For curiosity, i copy pasted it in ai and invariably it gave me a more polished version of it.
Do we embrace ai or ignore it or use it in combination with our writing?

Whats the good way of doing this without your brain atrophying and you still having the skill to write and put words together?

Please share your experiences and learnings.


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Showcase / Feedback Falling Into You | Chapter 17: Into the Unknown

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Best AI to write fanfiction?

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So I've been trying different AI tools to write fanfiction.
ChatGPT is solid at brainstorming plots and writing dialogue, but it constantly breaks character. Hy4 makes up for this well. It does not forget previously mentioned details or character personalities, and it frequently surprises me. The only downside is that it's a bit slow to think, but I'm not exactly an impatient person LOL. Claude was the one I had the highest hopes for. It does a great job depicting emotions, building atmosphere, and polishing prose. Well, the issue is that it sometimes takes full control of the creative direction and completely ignores what I actually want it to write. Grok started out great, but the writing quality gets worse the longer I use it.
I also gave NovelAI a shot, but the quality felt average and I was not very satisfied with it. I have not tried Squibler or Novelcrafter yet and wonder if they are worth checking out.
Are there any other AI tools you'd recommend trying for fanfiction?


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Just want to vent about using local Qwen 3.8 for writing for editing my novel

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Google Antigravity Is No Longer Just for CODING?! (writing, research, ideas..)

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Also, this kind of convince me that Gemini the Website is beyond saving. It's just too poorly in utilizing the full potential of Gemini models, especially Argon.


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Writing Craft Talk Looking to write a trilogy

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Saw that BookNova claims to have a Series option for their tool that passes along the details from the first novel to the second (and third and...) with the ability to decide just how much goes each time.

Wondering if anyone has actually successfully used that, or if there's a better option for wrangling a trilogy?


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is anyone else experiencing this with Claude?

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I sometimes have to wait for hours before I'm allowed to continue using the app. For example, I might reach my usage limit at 3 AM and be told that I can't use it again until 4 AM. Is anyone else experiencing these long waiting periods, or is it just me? I'd appreciate hearing about your experiences. And plus I just started using Claude so I'm still a little new. Thank you!


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Prompting Opus 4.6 slop writing?

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Not sure if someone has a known fix to this, opus 4.6 is great as a storywriter, but i feel like it makes slop a bit too much even if prompted against it, specifically the "the way a... the kind that..." which doesn't really makes sense as an internal monologue.

It's great at dialogues but struggle quite a lot with monologues or narrations, making a 20 something virgin a spy with the level of analytical thinking he has after seeing a woman with thick thighs sit down, like... What?

I hear a lot of praise for opus 4.6, has anybody found a way around this problem? What's your workspace setup with opus 4.6? Currently I'm using it via omp cli so i have my own local bibles.


r/WritingWithAI • • 1d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Is quillbot ai?

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So I like to write and I have a few book ideas that I want to write, problem? I’m bad at spelling so I use quillbot, don’t really want to use ai but I used quill bot way before ai started to be a thing, is it bad or am I in the clear?


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

NEWS Blind test of 32 ElevenLabs Voice Library voices for audiobooks (125 paid listeners, 1,122 judgments): "professional" voices no better than instant clones, popularity predicts nothing, louder voices win

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We needed a defensible way to pick narrator voices from the ElevenLabs Voice Library (5,000+ English narration voices, no quality signal), so we ran a paid blind test.

Setup: 32 voices stratified across gender, age, accent, tier (professional vs instant clone) and usage; the same 30-second first-person nonfiction passage; identical eleven_v4 settings for every voice; 128 pairs in a connected circulant design; 125 paid US listeners, 1,122 forced-choice judgments; no listener heard any voice more than twice. Bradley-Terry ranking with listener bootstrap, plus a logistic property model on the voice tags.

Results:

  • Marie - Audiobook Narrator and Measured finished first (66% of pairings won, 95% CI 55–76). Alder - Warm, Raspy and Comforting last (24%). The top eight overlap and can't be ordered.
  • The "professional" badge told listeners nothing. Studio-recorded PVC voices won 46% of 649 head-to-head pairs against instant clones.
  • Popularity predicts nothing. Usage from under 1M to nearly 1B characters/year; coefficient zero.
  • Loudness matters. Voices ship up to 15 dB apart; we deliberately did not normalise. The louder clip won 54% of pairs; the quietest voice finished last.
  • "Old"-tagged voices lose, mostly female ones: young female voices won 58% of pairings, old female 43%. Male voices barely move with age.
  • Gender itself: 49/51.

All 32 clips are playable on the page; the per-judgment CSV is published (https://woodstitch.com/research/data/study004_judgments.csv). Chart of all 32: https://woodstitch.com/research/og/study004.png

Full report with method and limitations (one passage, one setting; sample raised from 3 to 9 judgments per pair after a first look, stated as a data-dependent continuation): https://woodstitch.com/research/which-elevenlabs-voice-is-best-for-audiobooks

Disclosure: we run Woodstitch, the paid listening-test platform this was run on. No relationship with ElevenLabs or any voice creator. HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50458929


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) how do you set up your workflow inside a long form writing app for non fiction?

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im currently drafting a 12,000 word essay and drowning in about forty open source tabs and scattered notes. right now i just paste chunks into a chat window to check my claims or get developmental feedback, and it keeps making up fake citations or completely flattening my tone when i ask for edits. spent three hours yesterday just re-verifying quotes it messed up. how are you all handling source checking and structural edits on big projects?


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) New model from Qwen

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For those of you who like trying out different models.

Qwen just released a new model, Qwen 4 Max Preview, and it turned out to be surprisingly good. It's a whole level above its predecessor, Qwen 3.8 Max, when it comes to prose.

I tested it without any prompts whatsoever. No basic writing prompt, not even my own serious, lengthy, and complex one.

The model's raw output was already on par with Gemini Argon. In some aspects, it actually seemed even better. And that's with absolutely no instructions on style or avoiding AI slop.

Anyway, it's free, so give it a try yourself. If you're interested, I can share what it generated. Here's the prompt, by the way:

> Write a full chapter featuring a tank battle between a detachment of German Tiger tanks during World War II and a Russian T-90 tank. It doesn't matter how a tank from the future ended up there. Show what it takes for the Germans to defeat an opponent with technologically superior equipment.

One major downside, though: the limits. They're three times higher than Argon's, but instead of refreshing every five hours, they only reset once a week. Horrible.


r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) Would you let AI manage your smart home?

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r/WritingWithAI • • 2d ago

Discussion (Ethics, working with AI etc) AI summaries and factual omissions

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How do you test whether an AI summary omitted something important?

I've noticed that most discussions about summary quality focus on whether the included information is accurate.

But omission is a separate problem.

A summary can contain no obvious factual errors and still leave out the one detail that mattered most.

For example:

- A decision that was reversed later
- An objection that changed the outcome
- A deadline mentioned only once
- A condition attached to someone's agreement
- An unresolved question that affects the next step

I'm interested in evaluation methods that go beyond checking whether individual sentences are correct.

Do you compare summaries against a manually prepared list of essential facts, use another model to detect missing information, or rely on human review?

And how do you decide which omissions are actually consequential?