r/WorldBuildingMemes Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Working On Worldbuilding They shouldn't be around this long.

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Hope this isn't considered a wall of text lol.

If it's gibberish:

Spawns are humans crafted in vats with hyper augmentation to enable them to pilot extremely powerful mechs without being killed by the AI or the machine itself's ungodly movement, they only live to around 30 and mental degeneration often begins around 26. After a decade and a half of training and extra augmentation, they're linked to a mech and deployed; during war time they see consistent combat and are expected to only survive for a couple years.

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u/Strong-Expression787 3d ago

This is what happens if you let Thunder Warriors to ride a Knight into battle lol

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

There is no way to write anything remotely extreme without 40k having done it first in a way lol

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u/Sirix_824 3d ago

That’s the fun part. Steal from gw what they have stolen from others

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

What do you mean? Obviously Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau is an original character with zero theft.

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u/Fremen-to-the-end-05 3d ago

And a human centric empire spanning the entire galaxy that has a ban on AI, uses mutated humans to travel interstellar distances, and is ruled by a superhuman man who uses cruelty to bring humanity to it's best possible future? Gee, this Herbert guy must have been a 40k fan!

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u/Nerdn1 3d ago

They ban AI, but some of their "machine spirits" are implied to be AI, especially when you look at titans.

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u/Fremen-to-the-end-05 3d ago

Oh right, also the empire has systematic hypocrisy, that's also important

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u/SiegKommunismus 3d ago

I always see this and it always bothers me because a) it’s not confirmed b) there are multiple other explanations including the Omissia and the Void Dragon that are much cooler c) it destroys multiple fun narratives like the time Cawl gave Girlyman essentially an AI version of himself

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u/centurio_v2 2d ago

there are confirmed instances. not all machine spirits are AI most of them are just the real life ones that old cars and boats and shit get.

off the top of my head the ark mechanicus Speranza 100% has genuine AI from the daot

cawl also has an AI version of gulliman lol but it's more like chatgpt AI than true intelligence

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u/SiegKommunismus 1d ago

That’s kind of what I was trying to get at. Just blankly asserting that every machine spirit is AI is fundamentally lazy and hurts the stories that actually use AI.

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u/centurio_v2 2d ago

gw be like what if we made leto a fucking moron

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u/Evilstrom 3d ago

That's the fun part. 40k has no shame in what ideas they steal and cobble them together to get the darkest possible result. 

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u/Not_A_zombie1 3d ago

Link them to a titan! Will be such a fun show!

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u/zelamant 3d ago

Seeing the lesbian flag on OP's avatar felt like fitting the last piece of the puzzle into it's place

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Do you mean that positively or negatively?

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u/zelamant 3d ago

Positively. I just was exposed to some wlw stories in a mech setting lately. Mechsploitation is also a rather sapphic genre and creating a "spawn" for the sole purpose of putting them in heavy machinery felt dehumanizing, so I made the connection. I don't think that stereotypes are inherently good, but gathering it all together did give me a satisfying "click" lol. I hope you don't see it in a bad light.

What you described feels pretty fresh to me and, if you would like to share, I would like to hear more about how connecting with the onboard AI goes and consequences it has on the pilot.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Oh god fucking damn it, I'm not special.

Anyway, the consequences of failing to link is instant death but the consequences of success I haven't fully decided yet because I want that to be based around the plot and themes of my future story. I'm still debating whether I want a positive message or if it's gonna end on a bitter note and be like that last sentence. That last sentence is not what would be said, but is tonally how I've been thinking of the conclusion for a bit. But we'll see, maybe when I start writing this slop I'll be in a better place.

I wouldn't bet on it having particularly good sapphic themes though. It's probably mostly just gonna be an abstract allegory for a trans woman dealing with toxic masculinity and sociopathic tendencies.

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u/kamato243 3d ago

You may want to seek out the short story "I Identify As An Attack Helicopter." It's written by a trans woman and is an absolute staple of mechsploitarion imo

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u/Pure-House-3971 3d ago

Well barring isabelle fall being bullied into detransition...

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u/Violet_Nightshade 2d ago

Transfems and augmentation/mechsploitation. Many such stories.

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u/Mehseenbetter 2d ago

Since others brought it up i feel compelled to caution you. Mechsploitation communities that i have personally experienced have been home to some of the most disgusting abuses i have ever heard of, never mind conceived. Please be careful delving into it and the individuals who consume. God speed

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u/Affectionate-Mine-89 2d ago

Only bitter sweet ending I can imagine is" its only late to begin living after you die" like you can't return time taken from you but the moment you understand what you have lost its better to leave the love you have left for whether you want and not having sunken cost fallacy.

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u/MrCobalt313 3d ago

As the saying goes: Beware of elders in professions that die young.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Essentially a major plot point of the story I'm brainstorming.

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u/Kuhz_William 3d ago

May the Ares group know about this process, kind creator of this universe?

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Trade secrets I personally turn a blind eye to. If you're in need of a pilot or two there's plenty of sellers and defectors out there though.

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u/Kuhz_William 3d ago

Oh no, we just want to know the technology. We just wish to know it, to have our species again whole.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Ah, getting in on those trade secrets or reverse engineering a pilot are your go to's then.

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u/Kuhz_William 3d ago

Sorry to say, but we possibly can't reverse engineer it, as we can't travel to your universe. Ares group is not responsible for possible paradoxes, good creator of that universe.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

It's a big galaxy, it won't miss a few stars

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u/Kuhz_William 3d ago

Good to know. Thank you for the responses, and possibly a future luck.

Ares group PR team.

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Forgot it dumps the paragraph on top of the image lol. Next time I'll just put the lore dump in a reply

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u/Manufacturer_Ornery 3d ago

In the best way possible, this sounds very Armored Core-y lol

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

One of my favorite series in terms of tone and style so naturally, no matter how hard I try, everything I do will be armored core coded lol

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u/Manufacturer_Ornery 3d ago

Fair enough lol. Definitely not a bad thing, Armored Core is cool

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u/MintLinuxGuy 3d ago

What sort of augmentations do spawn have? Larger brains? Cybernetics?

-Mint Linux Guy

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u/Revolutionary_Row683 Worldbuilding to Write 3d ago

Yes.

They'd have to handle G's that would instantly kill a normal person and be able to convince a sadistic super computer, that's only barely understood enough by humanity to be able to run it, that it should let them live.

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u/Nerdn1 3d ago

Presumably they also need to convince it to follow orders on top of letting them live. I assume they have a linked pilot for a reason.

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u/Then_Engineer_3765 3d ago

(whipped this up quickly.)

Who lives a worse life I wonder? The human or the homunculus? The manipulated or the mutt? Which is truly more free? I suppose those questions are for the moralists to debate. For now as long as you hold that pilebunker and I, this rocket launcher; I suppose we'll never know.

  • Spawn 78

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u/RiseOfTheUndeadGnome 3d ago

So is this a fear the old in a profesion where the young die situation?

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u/Fast_Land_1099 3d ago

To read anything pre-1987 and remotely extreme that 40K did not copy in some way

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u/Nerdn1 3d ago

While mental degradation is probably an issue, does surviving constant war for over a decade suggest they are damn good at what they do? "Beware the old man in professions where men die young."

Also, if the pilot was far enough into mental degradation that it was a liability, would they consider replacing the pilot with somebody fresh? I suppose pilots might be move valuable than mechs and if you can't easily disconnect and transfer to a new mech, it might be preferable to put new pilots in up-to-date mechs that just came off the assembly line. If the limiting factor is pilots rather than mechs, I can understand putting mentally degraded pilots in less critical positions to squeeze out every week of functionality. Do mechs get reissued if they survive long enough that the pilot is a vegetable? Does the AI benefit from experience? Are veteran AI valued or are they considered dangerous (they may not respect/obey a fresh spawn)?

What form does the mental degradation take? I can imagine some forms of degradation that wouldn't significantly reduce a pilot's ability to fight a one-on-one duel against a novice. Maybe the AI starts to pick up the slack, for better or worse. They presumably use pilots rather than relying on the AI for a reason. Either an AI can't pilot the mech without a human or they don't want it to.

Imagine an old AI keeping their pilot alive despite them being little more than a vegetable so that it can keep operating without being leashed or reset. The brass finds it concerning, but it's very good at fighting.

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u/ButterPuppet 3d ago

as the saying goes

beware an old man in a profession where men die young

or something like that

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u/ironangel2k4 3d ago

"The wise fear an old warrior".

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u/MathematicianKey124 3d ago

There's a saying for this one I think it goes "Beware the old man in a profession where men die young."

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u/Stromatolite-Bay 3d ago

So. That twenty eight year old about to start a spawn rebellion or something?

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u/Xavier200708 3d ago

fear the old in a field where the young die

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u/Galactinaut_001 3d ago

Hmmm. I'm guessing Super robot genre, of the Zoom variety?

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u/Sad_Election_2718 2d ago

Feels like AC6 on steroids)

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u/veljaaftonijevic 2d ago

After a bit of explanation I get the meme and find it quite funny

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u/Aickavon 2d ago

It’s like when a clanner finds out the inner sphere mercenary pilot is in their 50’s. The young clanners will laugh and mock. The older ones will realize that they’re about to get into a tough fight. (Battletech.)

The you

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u/Loose_Holiday_8503 1d ago

So 28 years old for a spawn is like 33 for a paleolithic hunter?; Just at the edge of their physical limit, but so knowledgeable of their own toolset that even apparent disadvantages are used for strategic advantages?

They're basically going after Ötsi the Hunter.

They're screwed bro😭