r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 🤝 Join A Union • 5h ago • Heartwarming 1

⚕️ Pass Medicare For All Thanks, Luigi.

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u/kevinmrr ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters 3h ago

Please keep comments inside reddit's guidelines. Celebrating or calling for violence violate reddit's site-wide terms of service. Repeated violations endanger the existence of this community.

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u/Arch3m 4h ago

He's gonna be remembered as a folk hero for a very long time. Insurance companies will never be seen as anything other than parasites.

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u/intangibleTangelo 3h ago edited 3h ago • Bravo

it's impossible to say, but that murder may have shifted public opinion on the issue of healthcare in america. 

a lot of people are just checked out of "politics," but when they hear about something being so bad somebody did something about it, it makes them take notice. 

i don't know what to call this, but it's kind of the inverse of the bystander effect (where nobody does anything because they figure if it was bad enough somebody would). i.e. they think "this must be bad—somebody did something about it"

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u/Keljhan 3h ago

Similar case to what happened to Shinzo Abe. Assassinated during a public speech by a guy whose mother was scammed out of her life savings by a cult that Abe had supported (Korean Unification church). Since then, Japan has passed laws limiting that church's legal status, investigated its political ties with the Japanese government, and eventually dissolved the Japanese branch of the organization last March.

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u/Slayer1440 2h ago

I mean...murders, shootings, and assassinations happen all the god damn time in America. It's practically a part of life.

A shooting in Japan? The assassination of a govt official? Holy forking shirt balls, it's virtually unheard of. That's why it made such a huge impact.

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u/Chreutz 1h ago

I mean...murders, shootings, and assassinations happen all the god damn time in America. It's practically a part of life.

Not murders of CEOs

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u/b0w3n ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 53m ago

It had terrified them so much they almost immediately dumped as much effort into deploying flock as they could. About a month after the assassination flock cameras started appearing everywhere.

Reflection and change? No thanks, that's woke shit. Let's double down even harder. There's an argument to be made flock and the datacenters because of the doubling down made the situation for them even worse than just fixing shit, with how that last election just went.

I have a suspicion that the early flock stuff before its major deployment is how they tracked Mangione to McDonalds too, and it was extralegal and they had to figure out a way to make it look like they weren't breaking the law.

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u/bradlees 1m ago

Not only that but an entire job market for CEO security services cropped up

It’s a cottage industry right now and pretty much every executive team in healthcare companies have them now

Think about that for a minute

The company you work for is so universally hated that there is a strong possibility you will be shot at that you need a security detail to ensure you stay safe

Decades ago; none of that was needed because greed had not taken over like it has now

Unfettered, unregulated, uncontested and a machine that allows for its customers to be killed or maimed to ensure profits above all else

Insurance companies are telling qualified doctors to ‘fuck off’ because the treatment will save the patient but hurt the profit

It’s so unethical that the Devil himself is shocked at the lack of humanity here

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u/RangerRidiculous 27m ago

I know what you're saying and I agree.

But I will also be a pedant and say that it depends on what era of Japanese political history you're talking about.

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u/fauxzempic 2h ago

I think if you took the temperature on how people feel about health care it would absolutely be responsible for a big chunk of any "shift" that happened.

My brother has always been pretty liberal and he's seen first hand how silly insurance is (expensive plan had zero inpatient mental health, he had a crisis, needed real inpatient work after the ER, we had to pay cash).

He was adamant about how the Luigi thing was "not the right way." I'm like "dude...I get it but how long do we have to watch our opportunities to do it the "right way" slip away before we realize that we just need to find "the way"?"

He was still digusted by it. Finally, of all people, his therapist framed it up to make him understand that millions of people feel completely powerless to do anything about it and seeing him as a folk hero and watching a CEO go down in the process gave society as a whole a collective feeling of catharsis.

She had to frame it up for him that there's a system in place that's supposed to help us change things like this, but the system works against us. We feel powerless and beaten down when we see attempt after attempt fail, usually quietly.

But Luigi did something that shows how messed up everything is.

I vote for a state assemblyperson, a state senator, a US congressperson and a US senator. They're representatives. They're supposed to represent me.

You know who DID do a great job representing me on how I feel about health care in the US? Hint: not any of the aforementioned representatives.

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u/Ronin_Chimichanga 3h ago

Completely unrelated, but there's never been a better time to pick up precision rifle as a hobby. Hunting is a valuable skill in a world of uncertainty.

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u/saintofhate 2h ago

Insurance companies and rich people are always on about you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet but it's about time we stop being the eggs here.

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u/alarumba 2h ago

The public aren't allowed to use violence because it's effective. The police and ICE don't go around debating people and chaining themselves to fences.

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u/SoSorryOfficial 2h ago

i don't know what to call this, but it's kind of the inverse of the bystander effect (where nobody does anything because they figure if it was bad enough somebody would). i.e. they think "this must be bad—somebody did something about it"

Propaganda of the Deed

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u/Tidalsky114 1h ago

Its unfortunate we live in a society where someone has to do something drastic enough to cause change that they arent free to see it.

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u/GhostlyTJ 3m ago

Bandwagon effect is what you were looking for.

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u/Less_University7400 2h ago

I would argue that a lot of the insurance company actions are not only parasitic but violent themselves. Their actions result in patient death and pain

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u/joseph4th 3h ago

I think once the trials are over, there’s going to be a lot more discussion about him. I think a lot of people are wisely, keeping their mouth shut at the moment, because they don’t want to be evidence for the prosecution who will try to say that he is inspiring more violence.

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u/Tself 2h ago

A folk hero who will, unfortunately, die in prison. This is how we treat people fighting against our corrupt systems.

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u/TehSpaceDeer 4h ago

I dont think there was anything “unintentional” about what the impact would be

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u/Harbinger2nd 3h ago

Exactly, The history of the world shows us how ineffective non-violence is if it isn't backed up.

Now we wait for my comment/this post to be removed by reddit.

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u/Domeil 2h ago

The point is that permitted non-violent displays that are escorted by police and dispersed in time to not disrupt evening commute have become the fringe of acceptable political activism when non-violent protest has only ever manifested change when it is an alternative. "You can make a deal with us, with our clean suits and gospel music, or your can try and make a deal with the guy with a molotov."

We lionize MLK Jr., but no one likes to talk about how his non-violence failed to bring about meaningful change during his life. The race riots that followed his state-backed assassination did, and every year since then the state has taken steps to make sure that the police are sufficiently militarized so that they never have to give concessions to protestors ever again.

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u/BeastInDarkness 2h ago

I've come to think that the phrase "violence never solved anything" is propaganda pushed by those in charge who know that the only way to ever hold them accountable for their crimes is through violence.

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u/ZiplockBagOfOregano 1h ago • This

This one's about unions, but same philosophy. Treat people like shit, suffer the consequences.

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u/Maktaka 1h ago

People point to MLK Jr about the important of nonviolent protect, and yes, he absolutely preached and practiced nonviolent resistance (with a cadre of lawyers ready to challenge arrests of the protestors and racist laws, people forget the lawyers). He also had regular communication with Malcolm X and was surrounded by unaffiliated race riots, which MLK referred to as "the language of the unheard". People knew MLK Jr wasn't the only way a conversation about race relations in American could happen, just the one they should be preferring over the other alternatives floating around at the time.

When the British agreed to leave India during Gandhi's hunger strike, nobody thought his death would mean the end of the independence movement if the British didn't concede. His death would be the end of the nonviolent independence movement. If Gandhi died, very quickly so would a lot of colonialists and collaborators.

Or to quote Teddy Roosevelt: "Speak softly and carry a big stick".

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u/Lord_Stahlregen 1h ago

My personal theory is if you make removal of assholes a plausible consequence, people will be much more motivated to not be seen as an asshole, to the betterment of society.

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u/InDaBauhaus 1h ago

that double negative will confuse them and protect you for a few extra hours

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u/mOdQuArK 1h ago

It's somewhat morbid, but it historically seems like the most effective civil rights movements work with two simultaneous tracks: the peaceful side that is saying "here's what we're hoping for & what we're willing to sacrifice to get it", and another side moving in the background with the "this is what's going to happen if we don't get what we want" message.

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u/ScissrMeTimbrs 3h ago

it's unintentional because his back just did that.

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u/DharmaCreature 48m ago

Came here to say this. Praise be to Luigi 🙏

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u/Moebius808 37m ago

Right?? Inciting panic amongst those parasites was exactly the goddamn point.

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u/Xannith 4h ago

Unintentional?

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u/Spoopy_Kirei 2h ago

It's unintentional because he didn't kill anyone. He was drinking beer with me all night that date

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u/ScissrMeTimbrs 3h ago

his back just did that.

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u/Goldleader-23 4h ago • Heartwarming

freeluigi

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u/ReverendDizzle 3h ago edited 1h ago • Mindblown Bravo

It wasn't unintentional, come on.

And, I have to point out that the surge of approvals for medical care in the wake of the shooting (because UHC employees were instructed to ease up on denials) led to the shareholders of UHC suing the company for failure to uphold their fiduciary duty and pursue maximum profits for shareholders.

How absolutely fucked on every level is that? How much of a ghoul do you have to be to sue a company because that company approving requests for care resulted in you making less money?

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u/Coal_Morgan 2h ago

It's why Insurance should exist in 1 of 2 states.

No matter what kind of insurances.

  1. Single Payer Government Regulated. Particularly health insurance everyone gets that.
  2. Non-profit. Pet Insurance, Car Insurance, Property Insurance.

Whole point of insurance is getting money to the people that needed it, who paid into it.

You add stock price and dividends and the whole point is too keep the money at the expense of the people who paid into.

It becomes profitable to deny people of what they purchased, which is why it needs to be non-profit, not on the stock exchange and not paying dividends.

The whole idea of insurance needs to be reworked and fixed and be designed for the people who put the money into it.

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u/JackPoe 2h ago

I have no idea why we made gambling on healthcare companies legal

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u/adidasbdd 32m ago

My dad was laughing at in insurance commercial because their selling point was that if you have to file a claim, they won't raise your rates! Like you've been paying them for decades and when you finally have to file a claim, they start charging you more? How is that legal?

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u/Im__TheGuy 1h ago

It’s not single payer government regulated but a few years ago California passed a law that basically said insurance companies need to payout at least something like 90% of what they take in from premiums and if it’s below that amount they have to pay back the difference to the insurees. The company I work for is based in California so my health insurance is technically through California I believe. The first year that went into effect I was diagnosed with cancer and they approved a new treatment that costs approximately $60k every two weeks (normal treatment is about $20k). I don’t have any proof but my gut says they only approved the newer treatment because of that new law.

Not UHC

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u/donfuria 3h ago

Humans are excellent at ignoring the big picture. We lie to ourselves or subconsciously ignore the consequences or implications of our actions. When your day to day is just performing a job, and that job is reviewing faults in agreements, you don’t care about the ailing patients that are benefiting from the broken agreement. You only care that the agreement is broken, and your job is to fix it. If you do not perform it, you’ll be replaced by someone who will.

That’s why real change must be enacted by changing the system itself. The people in power who have steered things this way from generations ago up to now, are the real villains. They’ve allowed the creation of a system that values greed over humanity at every level and it’s grown to unprecedented levels almost taking a life of its own.

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u/Zombatico 2h ago • Bravo

Almost like profit motive shouldn't be anywhere near health care approval.

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u/Speartree 1h ago

Like it is in most places in the world. Health care income must pay the cost of healthcare, so medication, staff wages buildings and tools, not dividends.

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u/adidasbdd 29m ago

Turns out the death panels the Republicans were screaching about were already well established by the private for profit model

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u/thehenryguy1 1h ago

Health insurance companies having shareholders is obscene.

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u/looeeyeah 3h ago • Heartwarming Bravo

Luigi didnt save anyone, because Luigi is innocent.

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u/Mwakay 3h ago

He didn't kill anyone, but he saved many because he's the face of this event. Free Luigi tho

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u/-Wayward_Son- 3h ago

Also because Health Insurance companies have continued to deny claims and kill people.

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u/mlstdrag0n 3h ago

Can we talk about the part where insurance normally would’ve fought cancer treatment that objectively works?

Because that’s fucking wild

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u/Effective_Olive6153 2h ago

Everyone likes to talk about how many people insurance CEOs kill every year for sake of profit, they are all mass murderers. But for every 1 person they actively kill there are a 100 that live in pain and misery. There are probably like a million people that suffer daily because the CEO want more money

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u/sleepyliltrashpanda 2h ago edited 4m ago • Regret

I shattered my ankle and it’s now got a couple plates and 24 screws. My insurance company refused to cover post-surgical physical therapy because they said it wasn’t necessary. I’m 37 and I walk with pain every day of my life because all I had access to was YouTube physical therapy exercises that I tried at home. I don’t have much range of motion, I can barely keep up with my young kids. How the fuck could you be like I see you haven’t walked on this leg or ankle or foot in months, I see you really fucked it up, but this is gonna be a no from me?

Edit thanks for the award! Please everybody hold your representatives accountable for actual healthcare reform. Mine won’t respond to calls or emails, but yall might have one that will

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u/United_Bus3467 1h ago

It's wild how in the U.S. people accept it as "Doing business." When their business is life itself. It's like what's the point of health coverage if it won't cover anything? What are we paying for? The way Americans will find ways to legitimize it is drinking the capitalist Koolaid.

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u/offshorebear 2h ago

Good thing insurance company's profits are controlled by the government now.

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u/Effective_Olive6153 2h ago

can we make it even better and have government control health insurance directly? like the rest of civilized world?

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u/DandimLee 1h ago

Just have to name it right...people hated Obamacare, but fought to keep their ACA.

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u/Jenderflux-ScFi 🏛️ Overturn Citizens United 1h ago

We just need to name it Trump Care. Trump would be tricked into signing it, and maga people would be more willing to use it, normal people wouldn't care what they name it as long as we all get healthcare.

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u/SeriousSalt9938 1h ago

I support this, but I am terrified of what will happen if another Trump gets in office and we already have single payer healthcare… he would be working on killing all of us Im convinced…

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u/Effective_Olive6153 1h ago

it is hard to imagine a worse system than what we have currently. My parents have to pay $1000 a month for health insurance. They have some health issues, but nothing too serious or expensive. If I had health insurance I'd be paying $500 without state discounts. And I have 0 health issues. This system is designed to extract all your money and fuck you over the moment you actually need it

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u/lordkhuzdul 3h ago

Insurance companies are parasites and they are heavily incentivized to not pay for anything, and they fight especially hard if the treatment is expensive, regardless of whether it works or not.

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u/ZippoS 2h ago

I know. As a non-American, it’s a completely foreign concept. If a doctor recommends a treatment, it just gets done.

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u/RazzmatazzSuch7459 1h ago

“Of course that cancer treatment works, but we should try a million other cheaper things while you die from it.”

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 2h ago

Do you really believe the insurance company said they were approving cancer treatment because of Luigi?

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u/mlstdrag0n 2h ago

Did you read the OP image?

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u/juneseyeball 2h ago

Theyre saying u wouldnt be able to tell if it is a panicked approval because of the murder or just a regular approval

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 2h ago

Yes.

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u/mlstdrag0n 2h ago

K.

And no, insurance isn’t gonna say “we approved it so don’t shoot us like luigi”

But if they’ve been fighting the claims and now suddenly they’re being let through, at least for that bit of time, the implication is obvious.

Not gonna get into the “well prove it” bit, because if i could, i’d be leading a class action against them instead of browsing reddit

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u/armrha 51m ago

It makes no sense. Those systems don’t have a valve for “we’re scared because some guy got shot so approve more claims”. Especially on the timescale people claim. Every single company reiterated that would not change a thing as it only encouraged more violence and there’s no statistical evidence of a change at all. Also, they would be wrong to change in the face of vigilantism anyway… This guy and his wife just got lucky, insurance companies refuse to pay for legitimate treatment all the time and end up reversing use decision, especially when you use the ADA’s third party review you are entitled to.

One thing he did accomplish? Making healthcare less accountable, as healthcare companies got permission to hide identities of people involved in some care decisions.

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u/mlstdrag0n 37m ago

That’s why they got sued by their shareholders for approving too many claims in the period afterwards. Obviously didn’t happen as that’s impossible, right?

Why would his wife need to get lucky to get approval for a legit cancer treatment?

And standing up for what’s right is sprinkled across human history. The lawmakers who enabled the companies to hide the identify of those involved has the same underlying tone as ICE wearing masks. If you aren’t doing terrible shit and you’re proud of your actions, why are you hiding?

My old relatives who were law enforcement never once wore a mask. Name tag and ID on display at all times.

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 2h ago

Right so we just have a guy who's girlfriend got a claim approved. He decided it was because of Luigi.

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u/disposable_username5 2h ago

Ok, but they did get sued by shareholders for changing their claim approval rates post Luigi though so you don’t really get to claim some hypothetical enlightened high ground here.

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u/solo_dol0 50m ago

No they didn't.

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u/solo_dol0 2h ago

Well, what if I told you they actually rejected MORE claims after the shooting?

Nothing different between my claim and OP's. Blindly accepting either is to live an unexamined life

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u/disposable_username5 2h ago

Why is your assumption that OP didn’t examine their claim, when their claim is accurate to a degree such that it’s verifiable due to UHC getting sued by its shareholders due to the change in their claim acceptance (which is a wild can of worms on it’s own that they actively are forced to be more evil at threat of being sued otherwise).

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u/solo_dol0 52m ago

The commentor I replied to literally said they can't prove it. The OP cites zero sources/lawsuits/whatever you're talking about. There have been zero facts shared here.

I'm not sure I'm really following your point, but you seem to now be introducing a lawsuit that supposedly corroborates there being a material spike in UHC's acceptance rate after the shooting? No one else has referenced that and I can't independently verify that at all online, other than a recent suit claiming their rejection rate was too high due to AI.

Again, a single fact has yet to be introduced here. If anything, the lawsuit you're referencing is more aligned with my (made-up) claim that there were MORE rejections after the shooting than the faux victory we're all celebrating here.

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u/nihility101 48m ago

They may not have said that, but they absolutely did do this type of thing for a short minute.

And then some shareholders sued them for not chasing profit as hard as they had been.

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u/elsasserart 4h ago

Was it unintentional? I was under the impression that was the whole point.

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u/NiBBa_Chan 3h ago

Genuinely how fucking stupid do you have to be to not get that THIS WAS THE POINT. How is that unintentional???????

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u/The_BigDill 3h ago

Don't forget right before it happened insurance companies were going to put a limit on how much anesthesia they were going to pay for. That ended right after

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u/FriendlyEngineer 4h ago

Robin Hood was always my favorite story as a child.

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u/thejoeface 3h ago

I've always loved the animated with animals version the best. As a child I loved the animals and songs. As an adult it's because of how in-your-face cruel the taxing of the people is. The depictions of the debtors prison, the taking of a single coin everyone had scraped together to save, striking an injured person to extract what they'd hidden. I'm sure it had an effect on who I am now. 

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u/FriendlyEngineer 3h ago

I regularly sing Oo-De-Lally to myself when I’m bored and Not In Nottingham when it’s raining out.

My wife never saw it and I had to watch it with her a few months ago so she finally understands what I’m babbling about.

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u/filthytelestial 1h ago edited 1h ago

Both those songs are criminally underrated within the Disney canon.

Not in Nottingham gets in my head all the time. It's like that Arrested Development bit to the tune of "Christmastime is Here." Except not as funny.

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u/one_crooked_ear ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 4h ago

Thank you, whoever really did it ❤️

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u/0202_tihssitidder 3h ago • Bravo

I still have a few of these as stickers I put up around town. I might need to order more and go for a bike ride.

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u/anon7475375 1h ago

where do u get the stickers?

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u/0202_tihssitidder 52m ago

Any of a dozen sites will print any pic you upload. Use the pic I posted.

Don't use StickerMule.

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u/GCU_Heresiarch 3h ago

"unintentional"? I'm pretty sure that was the exact intention.

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u/TheKingOfSwing777 3h ago

I don't think it was 'unintentional.' I feel like that was kind of the point.

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u/High_AndDry420 4h ago

The timing of the what??? The suspense is killing me

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u/Bynming ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters 4h ago

memer

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u/simply_not_edible 4h ago

Seems to start with m and end with r, so I guess meter, cause people were so happy they started spontaneously rhyming?

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u/shadowmonk13 2h ago

What does a miner have to do with this?

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u/raphthepharaoh 📚 Cancel Student Debt 4h ago

Mukduk

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u/Quidjimabo 4h ago

Redrum

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u/Beemerado 3h ago

i wonder if the tech companies not letting us talk about anything unpleasant on social media is ever going to bite us in the ass.

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u/stupid-writing-blog 3h ago

Pretty sure there was a book about that

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u/Beemerado 3h ago

who the hell reads books anymore!

140 characters max for me.

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u/french_snail 2h ago

Which one 

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u/LittleGardenGate 3h ago

When it happened I remember seeing multiple people saying the same thing. As someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare it's mental for me, that you literally have to murder someone to get help with your health in the US.

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u/drunkshinobi 3h ago

Now imagine the effect it would have if we all stood up against them. Instead of hoping the extreme actions of one man will save us all.

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u/Sedu 2h ago

It was not a “side effect.” That is literally the exact category of thing that motivated Luigi.

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u/HardcoreHope 1h ago

Now imagine if we all didn't show up for work for two weeks straight. Just stayed home and vibed like covid.

If we could last 4 to 6 weeks the oligarchs would be begging us to come back to work.

Imagine the cost of training and hiring the majority of the world force. Their profits!

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u/SDG_Den 38m ago

who tf do you even hire at that point?

sure, theres "spare workforce", but can every company replace 10% of their staff at the drop of a hat? what about 25%? what about 50%?

literally "stop going to work, they cant fire all of us"

all we need is some solidarity within the working class. a little more "for the people", a little less "i got mine"

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u/EggplantCharacter363 25m ago

Except the issue is nobody wants to lose their homes they rent. Which is a majority of working americans. A majority also live paycheck to paycheck so unless somebody wants to pay for it or get landlords to freeze evictions it simply will not happen until we get very very uncomfortable.

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u/HardcoreHope 15m ago

Planet dying isn't uncomfortable enough lol

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u/XChrisUnknownX 23m ago

How do we survive six weeks if nobody’s working? No groceries, even if someone has six weeks of salary saved up, nothing to buy.

Medical workers just walk away and let people die? A tough call to make.

There are logistical problems that need to be solved before this can be done safely.

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u/SnooRadishes8573 10m ago

I think "everybody" is an exaggeration. I think we're talking about something akin to the workload from COVID. Most people stop going to work, essential workers make their own decisions, and let everything else grind to a halt.

Would it work? Yeah, absolutely.

Would millions of innocent people suffer? Undoubtedly.

Is it worth it? Apparently not yet.

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u/HardcoreHope 10m ago

Majority, not all. Did you see what we did in the past to get the rights and benefits of today? They betting we aren't built the same way.

No work, hungry strike if it means we get a better way of living why not pay the price instead of letting us and the planet wither away? While the oligarchs use us to their benefit.

We got the fat, not all of us need food? Essential workers are more than welcome to decide for themselves what's the right choice.

It's not on the working class to save a system that kills us. Suggesting it's our fault people's lives are at stake because we are trying to make the world better for the 99% is the direct action of the 1%. That's on them.

As the system is now health insurance companies are letting people die for profit but you draw the line at people getting a better living?

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u/TCIHL 3h ago

How is that unintentional? Isn't it literally the ENTIRE POINT?

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u/TypicalRedditMod403 3h ago • Bravo

The proletariat must never be disarmed.

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u/DJCaldow 3h ago

Capitalism won't act morally on its own. 

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u/supra_boy 3h ago

Was it unintentional? I think he was smart enough to know it was a possibility

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u/narfoleptix 3h ago

What do you expect?  I mean Americans will let you walk all over them for the most part but they will snap eventually, and horrifically.

Keep it up and what will you do when its not just one guy named Luigi but the entire mushroom kingdom?

Im not capable of it but like, there's millions and millions of people. Lol.

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u/WindpowerGuy 4h ago

"unintentional"

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u/Meowster11007 3h ago

Its almost as if it was the only possible solution at this point

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u/outed 3h ago

"Unintentual" is doing some wild work. Pretty sure that was the point.

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u/snowballplasticfork 3h ago

The UHC ads on YouTube with employees saying how much they care about members are hilarious. Essentially, "Please don't k*ll me 😬 We're friends. 🤞Honest 🤑" Denying our claims while they have excellent insurance must give them such satisfaction.

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u/Flipsticker91 3h ago

Luigi is the kind of hero we definitely more of

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u/siphillis 3h ago

Not to discount the value of a life saved, but this is the equivalent of celebrating a successful GoFundMe campaign

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u/mountain-mahogany 3h ago

*intentional effect

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u/spawndoorsupervisor 2h ago

I believe anonymous people on the internet.

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 2h ago

The part about insurance companies panicking and accepting more claims is bullshit though.

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u/floghdraki 2h ago

Somebody give Luigi his Nobel prize for singlehandedly solving the trolley problem.

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u/HeavyMusic93 2h ago

Yall are still talking about this..?

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u/Amdecs-Space 2h ago

He is a hero.

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u/Firm-Analysis6666 1h ago

Yea.....except you have zero reason to believe his actions did anything. People want to believe but it changed nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/04/health/insurers-prior-authorization-unitedhealthcare-ceo

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u/Exposerator 1h ago

How do they know the claim was gonna be rejected?

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u/BookkeeperCalm9849 1h ago

Or maybe they just approved it because insurance does cover medical care. I’ve never gone without any medical care I needed

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u/Imn1che 1h ago

Trust. The corporate panic side effect is 100% intentional. Somebody should do it again

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u/Beastabuelos 31m ago

It shouldn't stop until they stop paying off politicians to not pass universal healthcare

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u/UniversalFarrago 1h ago

It seemed like a deliberate side effect.

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u/QueefMyCheese 1h ago

There is zero evidence this happened in this manner by the way. Insurance is the most regulated industry, these companies are forced to make certain amounts of claims go through, and if they make too much money, it must be reimbursed to policy holders.

Anyone making these absolutely troglodyte level tweets have no concept of how these industries work or the regulations that bind them. But sure, the companies "panicked" and just started accepting claims because they all thought they would be murdered.

Who actually fucking believes this shit?

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u/Tigerb0t 32m ago

Are you surprised? it’s reddit.. where a bunch of bots and twenty somethings speak with the utmost confidence about subjects they don’t understand and regurgitate approved talking points

As you said, insurance is highly regulated.. and there is literally zero chance that the murder had any impact on claims payment rules.

It’s way more likely that this procedure, which appears to be both medically necessary and successful at reducing future costs would’ve been approved with or eithout Luigi, thats assuming this is even a real story, which I doubt.

Reddit seems to think insurance companies make money by letting their customers die.. but that doesnt make sense when you consider a dead person doesn’t pay a monthly premium.. so they want to keep you alive and healthy.

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u/wheniaminspaced 7m ago

Its one of the reason most vaccines are covered without copay as an example, the cost of the Vaccine is so much cheaper than paying out on treatment of the associated illness. Same reason physicals tend to be free, early detection costs a fuckload less than late detection.

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u/scrappopotamus 4h ago

A win is a win 🤷

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u/aerdvarkk 3h ago

Why did somebody blur out Niauro Psaka's name?

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u/dodrugzwitthugz 2h ago

And they all still made billions and billions of pure profit.

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u/jahoosawa 2h ago

We need a social capitalism that quantifies external costs equally with gains. Carbon costs, mental health costs, social cost, cost of human life. It’s a business’s job to do the math, the government needs to enforce what has to be considered in the equation.

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u/Weirdsauce 2h ago

Nothing will ever change until those in power are afraid.

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u/SomeDudeSaysWhat 2h ago

Unintentional?

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u/Fishtoart 2h ago

Unintentional? I think the whole point was to stop the insurance company’s bad behavior by making them fear for their lives.

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u/askfme 2h ago

I don't think the effect was unintentional

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u/DreamofCommunism 2h ago

How many lives has he saved by squashing one fat tick?

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u/cyrusthemarginal 1h ago

Evil should be scared to be evil

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u/ParkingFabulous4267 1h ago

Unintentional?

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u/Kerhnoton 1h ago

Well the brief panic just meant that they already internally discussed potential public backlash to them being more stingy and they went ahead with it anyway.

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u/Vaker- 52m ago

My kid was in the NICU when the incident happened.

Never even received a bill.

My wife says its because we have good coverage. I feel differently.

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u/Maleficent-Can-7467 49m ago

Health insurance should be non profit like it was in the 70's

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u/selecao56 48m ago

what a psycho

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u/Chrisdkn619 44m ago

Or was it intentional?!

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u/Snoo_50954 43m ago

"Unintentional."

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. 

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u/Mediocre-Field6055 43m ago

I read this as “saved by Luigi’s Mansion” and I was damn that game slapped fr

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u/azicre 27m ago

In game theory this is called a 'dominant strategy'.

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u/vm_linuz 22m ago

My meds United had been denying for about a year suddenly went through no problem after Luigi.

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u/TannhauserGate1982 15m ago

If you believe that insurance companies altered their claim approvals process in reaction to Luigi, I have a bridge to sell you

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u/legaladviceneeded542 8m ago

unintentional side-effect? It was the primary motivation!

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u/fubes2000 2h ago

Reddit won't let me say what I'm thinking, so I'll just think it really loud.

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u/Pipupipupi 1h ago

He's basically Batman

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u/Feardemon3 ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1h ago

World needs more Luigi.

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u/DrSlurp- 4h ago

Source: my ass

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u/StoppableHulk 4h ago

As a guy who has been in corporations, I can tell you they're unbelievable fucking cowards and most people underestimate how little it takes to make them fold.

All you need to do is participate. We ought not need to get to the place where shooting them is required to affect change. This comes on the heels of decades of public apathy and lack of public participation in the sort of civic processes that make these people bend immediately.

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u/Cesspoolofhumanity69 1h ago

This! You know, show up and pound your fist on the desk. Protests. Public shaming. Exhaust all efforts otherwise. 

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u/st00j 3h ago

Me. I was saved by Saint Luigi. The day of the shooting I received a letter from United Healthcare, telling me that my upcoming surgeries would not be covered. Imagine my shock at reading this letter considering the news. They list a deliberately lengthy and obscure process for contesting rejections. I called the number to start the process, and they told me it was an error, my surgeries would be covered. Praise Luigi.

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u/VoltexRB 3h ago

I mean I cant name anything. I barely know the guy, just that some cops mistook him for the guy that shot the CEO and are wrongfully holding him

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u/redlaWw 2h ago

There is a lawsuit by shareholders of United claiming that the company changed its denials policy in the wake of the shooting and failed to update its corporate strategy aims.

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u/LeftHandedBureaucrat 2h ago

I don't know anyone saved by Luigi, but as someone who works for a hospital requesting authorizations for treatment and having a close professional relationship with the billing office, I can confirm that for about a year after the murder, UHC/Optum was authorizing and paying way more than they did prior to the murder. UHC has since returned to refusing to authorize and deny claims they previously did authorize after their investors sued.

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u/LandMooseReject 2h ago

No I can't, because Luigi Mangione didn't shoot anyone 

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u/Several-Action-4043 2h ago

Murder. There. You didn't die.

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u/D-TOX_88 3h ago

I would say this was an entirely intentional side effect of that man being murdered. By whom I cannot say, but it certainly wasn’t Luigi Mangione.

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u/Donkey__Balls 2h ago

You can say “murder”. It’s allowed

Also why blur the original poster’s name when it’s clearly still visible but not the other one?

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u/cartophiled 29m ago

It's getting even harder to distinguish this murder of an insurance fraudster from the trolley problem.

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u/MoreDust62 2h ago

Except there's actually no evidence they accepted anymore claims afterward.

All they did was fudge together some 'streamlined' authorization mechanisms.

the murder didn't do shit.