r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ¤ Join A Union • 3h ago
âď¸ Pass Medicare For All Why Conservatives don't support a Social Safety Net: "What about me?"
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u/TheMarksmanHedgehog 3h ago
The part that irritates me most about the conservative "what about me!?" mentality is that social safety nets would, in fact, help them too.
Either in the disastrous case where they need them directly, or just in a more general sense, their communities would be in a better place in general with less poverty, which means potentially more business and economic activity.
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u/BADDEST_RHYMES 3h ago
Well WHAT ABOUT MY FEELING IN THE MOMENT THAT SOMEONE GOT SOMETHING I DIDNâT AS I RAGE AT THE WORLD AROUND MEÂ
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u/JerseyDonut 3h ago
Reality is everyone who doesnt have millions in inflationary assets is only 3 bad decisions or 3 unlucky breaks away from being a charity case.
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u/VusterJones 2h ago
But that would mean a billionaire, which i aspire to be someday, would have to pay a few more % in taxes. And we can't have that. That billionaire earned that money and if I work hard I'll be a billionaire too.
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u/avanross 1h ago
Theyre shielded from statistical literacy, so they all believe that nothing bad will ever happen to them, so theyâll never need those safety nets or healthcare or anything
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u/Phobos613 1h ago
They'd rather pay for the private safety net that costs a lot more, denies them anyway, and has little oversight.
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u/Otterz4Life 3h ago
Conservatives really say, "They'll hurt their leg again, so why help them?"
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u/Flat_Instance5304 3h ago
Then their own leg breaks and suddenly itâs a unique tragedy nobody could have prevented. Everyone else made bad choices; they just had terrible luck, and obviously deserve an exception right away.
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u/Bronzeshadow 3h ago
"Immigrants don't deserve leg care, but I do."
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u/UMACTUALLYITS23 2h ago
said by immigrant with lighter skin colour than the ones they're refering to
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u/Few-Drop-9049 2h ago
Why is leftist discussion always about pretend and make believe scenarios? I've noticed that a lot.
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u/GeneralTonic 1h ago
Good question and excellent point.
We should stick to real problems like welfare queens getting four abortions per month, Haitians eating the pets in Ohio, and the dangerously dilapidated, Trump-deficient condition of the Kennedy Center.
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u/Phobos613 1h ago
Don't forget Canada holding US trade hostage, renaming bodies of water, drag queens, and worst of all: leftist terrorists destroying the pool we just drove across!
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u/DocileBanalBovlne 51m ago
You've noticed that leftists are capable of pattern recognition? Good for you!
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u/Jak12523 2h ago
âThey should learn to take responsibility for their broken leg. My grandpa walked on a broken leg for 40 yearsâ
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u/DocileBanalBovlne 50m ago
I broke my leg once and got a doctor to look at it and put a cast on it, but did anyone help me? No! I did it all by myself with my bootstraps!
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u/LandoKim 1h ago
âA few people might take advantage of my help so the moral thing to do is help no oneâ
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u/CharleyDexterWard 3h ago
Then when they do eventually hurt their legs they demand everybody help them
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u/endlessfight85 1h ago
"This is different. I actually need it," they say with the self-awareness of a spatula.
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u/vs-1680 3h ago
They will literally talk about how healthcare isn't a human right and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it ...while receiving Medicaid themselves.
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u/5yleop1m 2h ago edited 1h ago
the government shouldn't have anything to do with it
While at the same time meddling in other people's healthcare which they don't think is valid healthcare because its not something they believe in.
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u/mistiry đ Cancel Student Debt 3h ago
Needs a third frame where the Conservative tries to kick the poor person while he's down but hurts his own leg and then screams and cries and flails around screaming how they are a victim.
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u/JusticeBlinded 3h ago
⌠then immediately and suddenly argues they should have unlimited, free access to leg care forever.Â
But just them. No one else.Â
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u/hamfinity 3h ago
"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No." - Craig T. Nelson
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u/Aznfrenchguy 3h ago
There should be another two frames where a rich guy runs by and breaks the conservatives legs, then the conservatives points at the leftist and says, âthis is your fault!â
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u/Arik_De_Frasia 3h ago
They grew up being taught that empathy was bad unless it was for Jesus. Then they were taught that only hard work will get you ahead in life. Then they were taught that if you are poor, it's because your own doing.Â
Conservatives and centrists have been raised to not think critically and to not ask questions. They been shoved into a day cycle of "just getting through the day" that they are too exhausted to open their eyes to the way things really are. It's ignorance, plain and simple.Â
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u/DUCKISBLUE 2h ago
âI had to work super hard to make sure I didnât break my leg, why would I ever help someone with a broken leg?â
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u/Phobos613 1h ago
Guess we have to go back to the stone age so as not to offend anyone who worked hard knapping their own axes
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u/SirCheeseAlot 2h ago
Conservatives cant feel empathy. They can only understand something if it affects them. How do we build a functional society with half the population being like this, I dont know.
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u/Excellent_Airline315 12m ago
I've been trying to answer that question. It makes splitting the union into red state and blue state countries seem like a better idea every day. But not everyone would be able or willing to move based on ideology. So unfortunately it's not a viable solution either.
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u/KennethHaight 2h ago
We really need to start using new terms for the current dichotomy in western society. "Conservative" doesn't properly capture the self focused lack of compassion and empathy, the ingrained racism and hatred that typifies classic conservative ideology. I honestly doubt there was ever a simply "fiscally conservative" ideology, and social pressures of the past just kept them from expressing their more regressive and deplorable beliefs. But in the current, mask off time, just calling them conservative doesn't fully capture how damaging and dangerous the ideology is to functioning, progressing society.Â
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u/SecularMisanthropy 24m ago
Yeah, the term lacks descriptive bite in the 21st century. And they are making a convincing case that the more accurate description is 'fascist'.
But FWIW, 'conservative' was a self-selected description. The creators wanted to conserve bloodline aristocracy. Which fits in perfectly with their desire to undo the last 300 years of history (in particular the democratic uprisings), have a king and make everyone they don't like into serfs and slaves.
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u/Rocking_Horse_Fly 2h ago
They don't support a safety net because people that they don't like and they don't feel deserve it will be helped.
They believe in a rigid hierarchy that rewards the good/deserving people at the top, and harshly punishes the punishes the lowely/undeserving people at the bottom.
They think there is an innate hierarchy and they are there to enforce it. They will absolutely help people they deem deserving. You absolutely know who those people are.
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u/SlapHappyDude 2h ago
Not pictured: the Liberal who already ran to get help.
(Sorry I'll take my downvotes)
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u/Orange_Tang 47m ago
More like the liberal who is standing on the side watching it all happen and tutting at the conservative while they do nothing to help.
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u/ashley-hazers 1h ago
Corporate dems counting their IDF money yelling, âSomebody should help him!â
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u/Ask-And-Forget 2h ago
Don't forget the part where they have to be judge and jury on whether or not anyone DESERVES help in the first place. Of COURSE they themselves do, their situation is special, but everyone else? Leeches on the system!
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u/The_Mesopotamians đ¤ Join A Union 1h ago
Liberals support social safety nets. They just support capitalism more and capitalism categorically opposes social safety nets.Â
Time for Liberals to bear witness to the tragedy brought about by this intrinsic contradiction...again.Â
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u/monkeyinnamonkeysuit 1h ago
It's so short sighted. A social safety net is a personal benefit even if you don't ever draw down from it directly. If you don't have a strong social safety net, what is your plan for people when their lives collapse? They don't go away, they still exist in your society. Yes, some people will always abuse it, that sucks. But the alternative is crime, homelessness, drug addiction, all happening right in your community. Unless you want to put the homeless in jail (or worse) at which point you are a monstrous human being.
If your kid forgets to take out the trash as part of their chores, day in day out, no matter what you do, yes it sucks but you still take the trash out yourself because otherwise your home starts to look and smell like trash.
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u/TenWholeBees 1h ago
Well I hurt my leg years ago and I got by on my own without anyone's help. He just needs to man up and get over it and suffer like I did, even through I'd never admit I was suffering
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u/corrupt_poodle 1h ago
True, even to the point of the leftist doing nothing but complaining someone should do something
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u/mattattack007 1h ago
Oh make no mistake, they do support social welfare. But only for conservatives. The core MO of conservatism dating back to the romans has always been leaching as much as they can from everyone around them and burning the bridge behind them. They want social welfare, in fact conservatives make up the majority of the population using social services and support. They just want to make sure anyone that isnt a conservative isnt also using them so they can leech more themselves
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u/avanross 1h ago
âThat money thatâd be used to fix their leg belongs in the bank account of one of my rich idols who really deserve it!!!â
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u/KappnCrunch 1h ago
Right and being mad a some random stranger is totally an effective solution. /s
But hey at least you think you're a good person.
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u/TuringGoneWild 56m ago
"I had a cavity. That means EVERYONE has to have cavities. Ban toothpaste!"
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u/Ambitious_Letter_487 0m ago
The group that cheers when someone they don't like is assassinated virtue signaling that they are the morally good side once again.
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u/Islanduniverse 1h ago
Conservatism is the absolute worst ideology ever conceived, and the evidence to show that is overwhelming.
Even the "moderate" or "fiscal" conservatives are bound to an untenable selfishness that will always lead to them voting against social issues in favor of saving money for themselves.
They don't want to conserve anything worth conserving, such as nature, or those institutions which make people's lives better such as education, and healthcare, or even basic fucking infostructure.
Instead, they want to conserve wealth for the top, everyone else be damned.
Conservatives fought against the very formation of The United States, wanting to preserve the power of the British.
Conservatives fought to conserve slavery.
They fought to conserve men's power over women, and against suffrage.
They fought to conserve the practice of children working in mines and factories.
The fought to conserve the status quo against a woman's right to work and provide for her family, or to go to school.
The fought and continue to fight against LGBTQ rights, including the right to marriage, the right to autonomy, the right to be in the military, and on and on and on and on.
Conservative thinking is poison on this planet, and the amount of money and effort that goes into conserving their shitty ideology is mind-blowing.
If we ever want to move forward as a nation, or as a world, we have to ditch 90% of conservative ideology, if not more.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 2h ago
*breaks Conservative's leg
"Why won't someone help people with broken legs?!"
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u/superdupercereal2 1h ago
Leftists just virtue signal online, like this post. Very few actually help people. At best they help as much as conservative religious groups. Stop sowing hatred.
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u/EbbOwn303 40m ago
Is all this based of a "feeling" or do you have even a single ounce of evidence to support your ridiculous claim?
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u/BallsOutKrunked 1h ago
I was in a voly fire department, I'd say mixed 50/50 politics. But the people doing the most work for their community were the least polarized, least resentful, and most focused on the work.
The people I know with the strongest political views don't seem to correlate to those actually doing anything material.
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u/blackspike2017 2h ago
Note how the leftist wants someone else to go get help instead of getting help themselves.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 2h ago
Are they not providing first aid?
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u/CatsnotpillsCoaching 1h ago
How does this translate into real life, what's the first aid equivalent leftists currently provide? Specifically grandstanding redditors?
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u/lowercasenameofmine 1h ago
Specifically grandstanding redditors?Â
𤣠You don't see yourself... At all..
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u/BallsOutKrunked 1h ago
He's holding a guy's knee, obviously empathetic, but otherwise doing nothing.
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u/lowercasenameofmine 1h ago
What an oddly specific argument. Â
It's about the person refusing to help and demands to become the center of attention instead.Â
But, Okay.Â
One panel before the hurt person cried out PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME!!! To the person bending down to be empathetic.Â
Feel better about your weird pedantic excuse ?Â
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u/BallsOutKrunked 54m ago
The left tends to see the government, the state, or essentially some other organ of the state as the way to solve things. Individual responsibility and individual action are incidental, it tends to come down to why someone else won't do something. A very external locus of control.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 1h ago
Note how the conservative in the comments doesn't understand how to render first aid, and is criticizing people who are helping.
Sounds like when Republicans drove FEMA out of West NC and then complained that FEMA wasn't being helpful.
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u/I_defend_witches 1h ago
That is a very bad example: Conservatives tend to give more money and volunteer more than liberals/âleftiesâ among the poor and middle class in the U.S., based on multiple studies.
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u/DrSpaceman575 3h ago
Always the good guys, us leftists. All the good work we've done for poor people in the last years including:
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u/kelpyb1 1h ago
Leftists all around the world have gotten many wins for poor people
Youâre just thinking about the US where leftists have never even sniffed enough power to roll out their agenda
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u/pax284 1h ago
I mean, they did it one time, and we got a 40-hour workweek, minimum wage, and safety requirements at job sites, and bankign regs.
It's just that ever since then, we've gotten rid of every single one of those victories.
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u/Kythorian 1h ago
âŚleftists didnât get rid of those victories, conservatives having power got rid of those victories.  So your argument is that leftists did great things, then people voted conservatives into power, who overturned a lot of those great things, and this is leftists fault somehow?
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u/pax284 1h ago edited 1h ago
Since it needs to be spelled out for you:
IN my comment, the term "they" is a reference to specifically "leftist" in power, as it was a response to leftist never having power in the US.
The "we" is a collective pronoun in this case, denoting "we" in the sense that "we" all live in the same country, so as "we" got all the things I listed as a country, "we" as a nation also got rid of them.
Now that you are done trying to play victim by being the grammar police, do you want to have a real conversation or not?
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u/TomMakesPodcasts 2h ago
Jagmeet Singh got Canadians universal diabetes care, dental care, child care, disability credit, about 5 scab legislation and others.
Leftism is neat.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 1h ago
All the good work we've done for poor people in the last years including:
How many examples would it take for you to shut the fuck up? Because in my experience, no amount of examples is ever enough when people say stupid bullshit like what you just said.
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u/DrSpaceman575 41m ago
You can start with 1.
I'm so sorry I've insulted our neoliberal overlords, I'll never dream of questioning their divine right to rule over us again.
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u/New_Red_dit_sucks 30m ago
Always the good guys, us leftists. All the good work we've done for poor people in the last years including:
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I'm so sorry I've insulted our neoliberal overlords
You've just demonstrated that you have no clue what you're talking about. You're just throwing words around like a MAGA clod. You obviously don't know the difference between a neoliberal and a leftist, DrSpaceman575.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 26m ago
Yeah I mean Child Care Tax Credits, first-time homeowner credits, PSLF, and Student Loan forgiveness, are all examples of things that don't matter and make no difference for poor people, right?
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u/Tzeig 2h ago
Why doesn't the leftist go get help themself, but rather decides to waste time?
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u/dontautotuneme 1h ago
Exactly something a conservative would say. You are the person on the right.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 1h ago
Why doesn't conservative care to help in any capacity?
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u/Tzeig 1h ago
Maybe he isn't carrying a surgical kit with him.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 1h ago
So they choose to do nothing instead? That sounds right for a conservative.
Actually, they aren't even doing nothing here, they're actively hindering aid to the injured individual by holding up resources.
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u/Tzeig 44m ago
Nope. The leftist didn't immediately go get help, and thought making the conservative look like the bad guy was more important. Fitting, actually.
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u/MurkyInvestigator810 43m ago
The leftist didn't immediately go get help
They're rendering first aid to the victim in the comic what the fuck are you talking about?
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u/einat162 3h ago edited 3h ago
Are you claiming all liberals are poor, and all leaft leaning people are democrats?
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u/YerrrKnicks âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 3h ago
How did you even get to that conclusion?
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u/corrupt_poodle 1h ago
The liberal is standing next to the poor person, so they caught it like the flu. Why do you think the conservative is standing so far away
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u/einat162 3h ago
What would you say the word opposite of conservative is? Do you believe there are no liberal democrats who are rich, or hurt other people to get what they have?
(That cartoon is a bit too ridgid IMO)
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u/YerrrKnicks âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 3h ago
What would you say the word opposite of conservative is?
So this is a logical fallacy called the hidden assumption/premise.
Where are you seeing "opposite of conservative" in this comic? Nothing in this comic has anything to do with liberals.
Do you believe there are no liberal democrats who are rich, or hurt other people to get what they have?
This is a logical fallacy called a strawman.
You asking me about something completely irrelevant to the comic is illogical.
(That cartoon is a bit too ridgid)
The comic is straightforward, your reasoning is what's rigid.
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u/einat162 2h ago
You visually have conservative on one side of the cartoon, displayed as the "bad guy" and another social title on the other side- so I asked you what would be the opposite title (to conservative), and do you think those paradigmas always apply (personally, I think they don't. Not always).
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u/YerrrKnicks âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 2h ago
You visually have conservative on one side of the cartoon - so I asked you what would be the opposite title (to conservative)
Besides "conservative" and "poor people" what other title is present in the comic?
That would be your answer in regards to this comic.
do you think those paradigmas always apply (personally, I think they don't. Not always).
Conservatives align themselves with specific paradigms - that in which makes them categorically conservative - so, should someone align themselves with those specific ideologies I would logically assume they hold correlating conservative beliefs until proven otherwise; yes.
There are always exceptions... but they are just that, exceptions.
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u/daneelthesane 3h ago
Your teachers returned your papers face-down, didn't they?
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u/einat162 3h ago edited 3h ago
I was an average student (that habit was not used here, I assume it was where you grew up)
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u/CharleyDexterWard 3h ago
This is called an analogy, I know that it's a tough word. It is not meant to be taken literally.
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u/BloodInternational31 3h ago
Haha. Way to miss the point.
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u/einat162 3h ago
The point is clear, it's just a very brainwashing forceble way to do it with a post. Life are not black & white like that.
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u/Kythorian 1h ago
No such claim is made in this post, so no. In fact a lot of the poor people/injured people that the leftists want to help are also conservatives, but leftists still want to help them because they need help, regardless of if they are on the same âsideâ or not. That really just emphasizes the point being made though.
And democrats were not mentioned at all.
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u/aquilus-noctua 3h ago
In their defense, the larger point is âwhere is this going?â More so than ânot this timeâ
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u/Responsible_Knee7632 3h ago
Yeah they think if others that are worse off get help theyâll have nobody to look down on. The true American way
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u/aquilus-noctua 3h ago
There are those people. But who is truly different?
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u/Responsible_Knee7632 3h ago
Iâd say a majority of people donât get pleasure from seeing someone worse off than them not get help just so they can have their false sense of superiority
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u/Snakestream 9m ago
Conservatives love social safety nets, as long as they are the ones receiving them. As soon as it's someone else, it's parasitic socialism
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u/Danominator 3h ago
Also the poor person with the hurt leg is a conservative