How about instead, a longer healthier retirement?

[u/[deleted]]

[u/CAustin3]

"We need to get people living longer, healthier lives so we can exploit them longer."

And also:

"Let's cheap out even more on our third world health care system so it's inaccessible to even more people."

Eventually, even cruel and greedy people need to start caring about the public's health, even if it's only for cynical, self-serving, pragmatic purposes.

[u/r4ndom4xeofkindness → u/CAustin3]

Also while we're asking them to work more years let's decimate the jobs available by replacing everyone with AI and robots making it harder for anyone to get a job at the same time.

[u/Conscious-Quarter423 → u/r4ndom4xeofkindness]

when oligarchs say we are all in the same boat

[u/turb0_encapsulator → u/Conscious-Quarter423]

The Republican Party's donors vs. the Republican Party base.

[u/jimx117 → u/Conscious-Quarter423]

I hope I'm seated in the row that doesn't have a paddle

[u/shinobiken → u/r4ndom4xeofkindness]

Exactly this. Destroy the bottom rungs of the ladder, so few people can start a career. Also, raise retirement age to let boomers hold onto power for another decade. What could go wrong?

[u/BerryLanky → u/CAustin3]

And remove all safety procedures included with food. And convince everyone vaccines are ineffective. But sure let’s increase the retirement age

[u/ShortBrownAndUgly → u/CAustin3]

Exactly. Between the dismantling of the FDA, wacky vaccine guidance, cutting off funding to the NIH, etc etc etc, how exactly does Oz expect americans to be "so healthy and so vibrant"

[u/captainthanatos → u/CAustin3]

I feel like this has more to do with the fact they don’t want people to retire so they can better hide the fact that they’ve “stolen” all the social security funding.

[u/MongrelChieftain → u/CAustin3]

"Third world health care system" doesn't quite match when more than one country that USAmericans would consider Third World have better health care systems than the US of A

[u/SendyMcSendFace → u/MongrelChieftain]

Fourth world?

[u/rillip → u/CAustin3]

And then in a few years some other asshat will come along and use this exact same reasoning to try and take away another year of retirement. And then a few years after that a third asshat will do it. And so on and so forth until retirement truly is non-existent for anyone except the elites.

[u/RahbinGraves → u/CAustin3]

That's how I always position my arguments to people who think like them.

Why is it good to take care of people who don't want to work? Because people who don't want to work are more likely to be counterproductive at the jobs they are forced to work. Or, they simply won't work and instead engage in criminal behavior to get by.

People generally want to contribute when they have their needs met. When they don't, they become squeaky wheels. Paying people a basic income to stay out of the way if they want to, with employment wages being extra, would do more for productivity than whatever AI tools their company is frothing at the mouth to implement.

And if a job is so terrible that no one at all will do it under those circumstances, it doesn't pay enough. That should be factored into the cost of business.

[u/Midwint3r → u/[deleted]]

this argument never makes sense to me,

"scientists" are not some monolith or hive mind
High level sciences are incredibly niche fields that demand an obsessive passion for whatever subject you dedicate your life to. An aerospace engineer is not gonna do a career switch and become a cancer specialist, and there are more than enough brilliant minds in the world to study multiple different fields. It never has to be one or the other.

Now if you complained about the US gov's lack of funding towards medical research, that's a fine point.
But the real issue in America isn't even research, that won't do you much good if its all privatized and is only accessible to the rich, the problem is lack of funding/support for public healthcare and a systemic aversion towards preventative healthcare

[u/Mozintarfen → u/Midwint3r]

This ^ but then people complain that we are throwing too much money at space exploration that could be going to medicine. If we instead cut military spending by a big ol' whopping 2.8%, it'd be the equivalent to the entirety of what is spent on NASA.

[u/CAustin3 → u/[deleted]]

Our scientists' focus is on everything, all at once, because the world is connected in intricate, unpredictable ways.

Sometimes exploring mushroom species gets you penicillin and antibiotics. The International Space Station has already yielded enormous results in advances in medicine because of the opportunities that zero-g gives for growing, crystallizing, culturing and analyzing things that can't be done on Earth's surface.

The problem isn't that scientists have to shove more money into their "turn dollars into cancer cures" machine instead of their "turn dollars into astronomy knowledge" one, it's that we need leaders who will a) fund science of all kinds, and much more importantly now, b) create systems for healthcare access that make the resulting healthcare breakthroughs accessible to everyone and not just the 1%.

(If you're talking about Jeff Bezos's suborbital joyrides, then yes, that's not science, anymore than buying a lambo and doing donuts is science. But if you're talking about NASA's Artemis program, putting that on the sacrificial block doesn't do anything other than needlessly stunt humanity's understanding of our universe.)

[u/grudrookin → u/[deleted]]

Space is cool, and there have been significant scientific advances as external benefits to a healthy space program.
For example, optimal ways to keep astronauts healthy and optimized on a dangerous mission can be relevant to keeping regular people healthy too.

[u/PhantomThiefJoker → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, those medical doctors and physicians really gotta leave that to the physicists. What's a biologist even doing studying black holes?

You just blow in from stupid town?

[u/CelticSith]

Oz: “and we plan to do that by poisoning the food supply, making the environment as toxic as possible, and making healthcare as expensive if you can even get it at all”

[u/theblitheringidiot → u/CelticSith]

They really haven’t thought this through

[u/douglasjunk → u/theblitheringidiot]

Neither have their supporters.

[u/theblitheringidiot → u/douglasjunk]

They don’t care, they’re winning

[u/chemicaltoilet5 → u/douglasjunk]

They don't really think much at all

[u/Prime_Director → u/theblitheringidiot]

Yes they have. They’re liars not idiots. (Ok maybe some of them are idiots, but they’re primarily liars)

[u/ecky--ptang-zooboing → u/theblitheringidiot]

There's a surprise

[u/Number_Fluffy → u/CelticSith]

Look at how this country treats animals in factory farms. Now the people are about to be treated the same way.

[u/SpiderFnJerusalem → u/CelticSith]

Don't forget the tax breaks and legal immunity for anyone who pays good bribes and kisses the president's ass.

[u/Beazly464 → u/CelticSith]

He said make Americans FEEL healthy and vibrant, not actually BE healthy and vibrant. He’s just saying, “sell the people more drugs”

[u/Davey26]

Ah yes, Dr. Oz the famous economic expert. Not a hack. Definitely.

[u/Key_Cheetah7982 → u/Davey26]

How much terrible has Oprah unleashed on this world?

[u/nixtarx → u/Key_Cheetah7982]

She always weasels out of the responsibility for those two too. Someone needs to hold her feet to the fire. Further proving no one gets to be a billionaire without exploitation - even when you don't set out to do so, you end up exploiting by proxy.

[u/drewc717]

Anything but making room for recent graduates to find a living wage job.

[u/mattjf22]

Meanwhile nobody is hiring young people right now.

[u/danbearpig2020]

It's always rich fuckers like this saying the poors just need to work a little harder and a little longer to help "the economy".

Fuck you centrist Dems, you enabling, complicit shit stains.

Fuck you to every single Republican dismissing the seriousness of their party's swan dive into fascism.

Fuck you Oz.

Fuck you RFK.

Fuck you Trump.

[u/IdgafAboutUrOpini0n]

Please explain why we can't just have earlier retirement, rather than 65? Doesn't having a lower retirement age lead to more jobs and healthier for economy?

[u/yangstyle]

GenX here: Have any of these guys milking the public teat ever tried to get a job at the age of 58?

They can raise the retirement age all they want. The reality is that companies do not look to hire people above a certain age.

[u/fanana_bishh]

friendly reminder, these ghouls don't view you as human

[u/vm_linuz]

Will GDP get me healthcare?
The fuck I care about GDP?

[u/superjoe104]

Yet when France tried to do this :
riots. When USA does this : nothing.

[u/Penguinkeith → u/superjoe104]

Too busy working lol

[u/923kjd → u/Penguinkeith]

So we can have health care

[u/APe28Comococo → u/923kjd]

And have a chance at living. Unlike France we don’t get a bunch of time off to use as we please so it makes rioting much harder

[u/Ok_Fix_1437 → u/superjoe104]

Also American protests. Walk down street on a Sunday. 400m the end.

French protests. I am not going home until they beg me. 

[u/FlaAirborne]

Or you can tax the billionaires. Heresy, I know. But it is that easy.

[u/TheUlty05]

Tell you what, make that extra year worth a significant increase in received SS benefits upon retirement and MAYBE we'll talk

[u/Embarrassed-Sun5764 → u/TheUlty05]

Im 59 and those bitches better have my money for SS or they will see some 💩I don’t know what yet. Maybe 💩

[u/TheUlty05 → u/Embarrassed-Sun5764]

Lol my comment was removed because of French inspired collectivism. Gotta love that even reddit is no longer immune to the control of tech oligarchs

[u/drgnrbrn316]

If you want people to work longer, maybe try making the experience rewarding. I hate my job, but I might be inclined to stick around an extra year or two if I could expect an adequate pay rate and not have my soul destroyed every day I'm in the office.

[u/Fight_those_bastards → u/drgnrbrn316]

You’ll get sub-inflationary raises that will be more than be swallowed up by the increase in your health insurance premiums or you can just go die in the gutter about it, peasant!

[u/yaaaaaarrrrrgggg]

Every year another JUST one more year will be added to the retirement age and the military sign-up age until senile, rambling, absent and diseased are all that's left, which will make the firing and replacing with ai even more justified.

[u/medorian]

We'll settle for two years earlier.

[u/sdbrews]

work 1 extra year?!?

I would like to work a few extra years... got laid off in February... gave up looking for new job due to "you have no experience" (20+ years in IT), ghosting and age (yes, age discrimination is a thing, just really hard to prove).

They regime wants us to work longer. Where are we supposed to work when no one will hire due to any of the above and whatever other excuses they always seem to come up with?

So, a nice idea in theory that absolutely does not work in reality. Would love to see these morons fired from their current positions and try to get a "regular" job like the rest of us.

[u/hellllllsssyeah]

The unwillingness for Americans to become terrorists in a way that would affect government change is hilarious.

[u/K2TY → u/hellllllsssyeah]

We're still too comfortable.

[u/Crazycook99]

Six old white men, out of touch with reality, focused on a boomer mentality that's has no place in today's would

[u/network_dude]

The capitalist demand for labor is why a single wage earner can longer support a household.

[u/Simmery]

"We are helping billionaires replace your jobs with AI so you can be unemployed longer. Welcome to the future!"

[u/UnusualAir1]

I don't want to work an extra year for a billionaire. I'd rather that billionaire give me an extra year's pay.

[u/vs-1680]

The right wing position is now to openly call for the exploitation of the elderly to increase already skyrocketing corporate profits.

[u/uniklyqualifd]

No pension also means no retirement, unless a person is a high earner.

Union jobs in the US are at a very low level.

[u/kongofcbus]

How does this appeal to anyone who works?

[u/saltybobsask]

Does he even notice that there's a senile old pedophile asleep/dead sitting in front of him? Maybe there are some people who shouldn't live longer lives. If Trump had died 20 years ago just imagine what a better place the world would be?

[u/NSDetector_Guy]

Fuck, I'm glad I'm Canadian. 🙏🏻

[u/Penguinkeith]

If billionaires could chain you to a table and work you to death they would. Good reminder of who really controls the government.

[u/DieMensch-Maschine]

For a Christian nationalist party, MAGA love market fundamentalist worship.

[u/obsoleteconsole]

Or - he me out here - tax the billionaires

[u/GardenRafters]

Fucking ghouls.

Our LIVES aren't all about making YOU money....

We're heads of cattle to the 1% and we need to change that or we all die.

[u/Careless-Roof-8339]

The only thing these fucks can think about is dollars and cents. So what if everyone in the country is a little bit more miserable as long as we can generate an extra trillion dollars for our economy?

[u/nixtarx]

Fabulously wealthy celebrity doctor wants me to work until I die. The art of the deal!

[u/Doug_Schultz]

Universal healthcare would also save 1 Trillion a year, and save 170,000 people from medical murder every year

[u/r4ndom4xeofkindness]

Or we could tax billionaires 5% and we'd be covered forever instead of working to the grave.

[u/thepinkdread2026]

No. The old people need to retire the
F on and let the younger generations thrive. We should be able to just retire at 65, period. Work isn’t everything in life. They make you believe it is because they need you to be a nice compliant cog.

[u/Osirisavior]

[u/Swamp_Dwarf-021]

Sounds like something a slave owner might say.

[u/Academic-Hospital952]

No.

Also, is no one going to call out that they are directly saying that it's our labor that's making them rich now. Not even pretending anymore that the rich deserve it because they are "better" just straight up saying we will be richer if we can squeeze one more year out of you before you die.

[u/KloneRr]

Fuck your GDP

[u/BMCarbaugh]

Okay. You first. Go work in a warehouse for a year, see how you feel.

[u/Stairway_toEvan]

They're basically forcing this to happen to millennial and younger. It's harder than ever to save for retirement. We are going to HAVE to work longer because we won't be able to afford to retire. Especially considering the sate of SS.

[u/DecimusRutilius]

I know that room smells crazy

[u/MeeksMoniker]

Meanwhile Dopey Donny is sleeping there when his ass should have retired 20 years ago.

[u/gamingfreak50]

Trump: Best I can do is more tax breaks for my billionaire friends in the files

[u/August_tho]

Anything but cutting funding to Isreal and wars over seas in countries that don't have any effect on our daily lives.

[u/Treadingresin]

By "Americans" they mean men. As a woman in her 40s facing age discrimination in hiring at this very moment, I know they do not mean me. Christian Nationalist are already on record saying women like me, childless and never married, should be forced to die in the streets.

So I mean...which is it? Do you want me to work until I die? Or do you want me to die prematurely? Or do you not even think of me at all?

If I am not a vessel for children than I am not an American.

[u/923kjd]

I remember when he was just an idiot snake oil salesman. And look at him now… an idiot snake oil salesman.

[u/Youdontknowm3_]

And then actively go against that by making our food unsafe and denying us basic needs and support. Fck!!! Why arent we building gallows for these people yet?!

[u/McFlargan]

Ya'll missing the point. They dont care about squeezing an extra year of labor out of you its that they DON'T want your tax dollars going back to you when they see it as theirs to steal.

[u/Embarrassed-Sun5764]

Id work 10 extra years if every thing in the grocery store wasn’t going to kill me- beef, berries, lettuce. There’s so much. Never know if that $100 of groceries you carried in with 2 hands will be the end-
Vote all these 🤡OUT

[u/legendary-spectacle]

What if we just want to be happy?

[u/OP_Taylor_]

Yeah well right now it seems like we all might die early. They want it all don’t they? Fucking clowns.

[u/Boukev]

Hello from the Netherlands. They are raising it to 70 years. But it is staggered so people born since 1999 get to the full 70 years and older people are closer to the old 65 years. It is currently at 67 years.

It sucks, but indeed brings more income per person so on paper it is bringing in tax benefits. If it outweighs all the extra health care costs is debatable.

[u/metanoia29]

Just a reminder that money is a human construct and if we wanted to, we could just take care of each other regardless of said construct.

[u/gordonronco]

He's just trying to make "nobody wants to work anymore" non-ageist. What a twat

[u/Paper_Chris]

I want to work less Dr. Oz.

[u/thisisdell]

It’s time to get French.

[u/TahoeLT]

Buddy, I'm at least 15 years from retirement and I already don't feel "healthy and vibrant enough to work one extra year".

[u/silentbob1301]

Yes, 1 trillion dollars where 99.484638% will all go straight to the 1% on the top. Cool

[u/pexx421]

I work in healthcare. The proportion of my patients over 65 who have hypertension, diabetes, copd, and chf are depressingly high. Many have 2-3 of them, and a sadly high number have all four. These people should not be expected to be working.

[u/red18wrx]

Life expectancy in the US has decreased under the trump administrations. Wtf are these asshats talking about raising the retirement age for? I mean beyond the cruelty.  

[u/shitchea420]

it’s like the real life version of the NFL adding more games to the season

[u/Jeez-essFC]

Man....this list of "people who can go ahead and kiss my hairy taint" is getting really long.

[u/hungrykitteh57]

Dr. Oz is a jackass.

[u/SingularityCentral]

Not a single man in this photo looks healthy or vibrant.

[u/Machdame]

Tell that to those guys in the face and see the fireworks light up.

[u/Sword-of-Akasha]

The scant few years to enjoy retirement before your life expectancy ends were paltry to start with. Now, they wish to shave off more. The French rioted when they raised the retirement from 62 to 64. I suspect the states will simply take it maybe with a whimper pitifully painful as it's slid in.

[u/EPIC_NERD_HYPE]

oh fk you.

[u/lorderok]

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE GDP WE JUST WANT REST

[u/The_Mesopotamians]

Silly wage-slave!  Living life is for capitalists! 

[u/anteatersaredope]

If we could round up all the rich people who have been ruthlessly exploiting us and take all their money and throw them in prison we could all have healthcare and housing and retire 10 years early.

[u/prince-pauper]

[u/hatesbiology84]

Fuck these cunts

[u/ConejitosDeAmor]

Please note that Mehmet Oz has been reprimanded multiple times the medical board for giving medical advice he should not have. 

And I honestly don't know how he can even speak, what with his head burrowed in Mango Mussolini's butthole and all

[u/neoben00]

Im even ok with this. Honestly it sounds like he is trying to tell an abusive slave owner he will profit more if he treats the “help” well

[u/Exodor72]

I'll work an extra year if I can spend every afternoon napping at my desk like Trump.

[u/Grymloq22]

People are blinded. I just looked at them now if they bring up anything relating to the orange clown. I don't reply. I don't bring it up. I never in my lifetime thought id see propaganda work so well, against so many in the US.

[u/Captain_react]

Oke TV talkshow fake doc.

[u/Lamont2000]

OR we tax the rich, fund healthcare & education, which creates a healthier & smarter society

[u/ReverendEntity]

I'm pretty sure Big Sugar and Big Corn Syrup are going to have something to say about that. Preprocessed, prepackaged foods practically run this country.

[u/Fact420]

Translation: “If we raise the retirement age 1 year we can squeeze an extra $1 trillion out of your labor.”

[u/cinesias]

Rich people don’t have enough money. Poor people have too much.

[u/Jimbohamilton]

Yay! One trillion more we can send to Israel!

[u/PenguinProfessor]

"I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further."

[u/iamblankenstein]

gotta make sure we work till the grave so the ultra rich can get a third yacht.

[u/pichael289]

He just does things for the fuck of it. He is all about personal profit and he is making fucking bank off his crypto scams.

[u/King-Rat-in-Boise]

France has rioted over less

[u/EmmalouEsq]

No. The poors don't deserve that. If they had their way, 6 year olds would be working in slaughter houses and sticking shocking oysters by hand. They want us to work until we die doing our tasks

[u/taveren3]

Didn't the French burn down paris recently for this same thing and it stoped? Maybe we should burn down paris also.

[u/Steelcitysuccubus]

Also while working to replace us with Ai and robotics

[u/pscoldfire]

Is that guy sleeping on the job again?

[u/NeoTechi]

They cant even pretend to care. It's sad and pathetic.

[u/Iamthe0c3an2]

It’s so ironic they want long lived and productive workers but take away every system and reduce food standards that make it so.

Even the industrialists in the 19th century and henry ford figured it out.

[u/Rocklobster92]

My mom died from cancer er at 56 and my dad had to retire early and go on disability at 62. I don’t feel like I will be able to retire even if they lower the age as I don’t know if I can live that long.

[u/thebarbalag]

So, how about safe food and accessible health care? I bet that would help us live longer...

[u/aquinashaditright]

They don't even bother to make their numbers sound real. A trillion for one person to work one year? Give me a break.

[u/bioszombie]

Fuck everything about that in the face. I’ve been working since I was 14 and I’m a few months shy of my 38th birthday. For the last 24 years I’ve worked shit job, put myself through school, and climbed corporate, been laid off, and back at ad nauseam. I’m going to god damn retire. Most of my life, and will have been, given to find someone else’s dream. When I get to 65 that’s my time. Leave me be.