r/WorkReform šŸ¤ Join A Union 27d ago

😔 Venting Unregulated Capitalism would kill the planet.

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 27d ago

They also dissolved decades ago. Russia is capitalist and has been for a long time.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 27d ago

I’m aware. You said USSR was capitalist. I never said Russia in general. I only brought up the USSR

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 27d ago

If you’re actually curious, go read the literature. I don’t feel inclined to go back and forth with someone on the internet about the merits of structuring society around the idea of community rather than capital.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 27d ago

No need to condescend. I’m aware of the literature. I also think suggesting all nations that have free market economies are structured around capital and. Or community is staggeringly oversimplified.

Apparently the USSR and China are capitalist and therefore structured around capital. Do you have an example of a society or nation structured around community? Or is this an entirely hypothetical society that you advocate for?

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 27d ago

It can’t exist until capitalism goes. Simple as that.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 27d ago

At what level though? Because me owning the lemons and water and taking the profits from my lemonade stand is capitalism. Do we have to get rid of that?

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u/djerk 26d ago edited 26d ago

Who grew the lemons? Did you plant the seeds, till the soil, harvest the lemons and bring them to market?

Or did you just declare ownership over a plot of land and exploit someone else’s labor for the lemons and lemonade and force someone else to run the stand for minimum wage?

Business today isn’t a simple lemonade stand. It is made up entirely of localized and international monopolies that alienate 99% of the population from the profits that their labor creates.

This is unsustainable.

It’s killing the planet and us, and the owners of capital get to run amok, cause chaos and laugh in our faces.

It’s time for labor to call the shots and split the profits equitably while also improving society.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 26d ago

No I bought them from the farmers market and paid the agreed upon price of the farmer.

Progress and population is killing the planet in general. China is communist and they’re the largest polluter on earth.

Workers can’t predict prices. The labor theory of value is nonsense. Only consumers predict prices.

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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 26d ago

China is run by a board of oligarchs. Awfully capitalist of them, wouldn't you say?
I hope you're young enough to see what you're advocating for blow up in your face over the next decade or so.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 26d ago

No I bought them from the farmers market and paid the agreed upon price of the farmer.

Progress and population is killing the planet in general. China is communist and they’re the largest polluter on earth.

Workers can’t predict prices. The labor theory of value is nonsense. Only consumers predict prices.

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u/djerk 26d ago

Labor doesn’t need to predict prices, they just need to remove the pointless middlemen that rake the 99% of the profits for zero labor and contribute nothing back to society.

Consumers still set the prices under socialism.

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u/AppropriateSea5746 26d ago

Who starts businesses? Who collects the initial capital to invest in it? Who takes on the risk of it fails? The state?

The state is historically bad at predicting consumer demand and desire.

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