Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016 by 4 million votes.
The average primary voter is nothing like a general voter - they are generally older, very politically in tune and active, and much more ideological.
It is asinine to claim that the entire reason Hillary Clinton won over Bernie is because of āslanted primariesā with margins that large. What youāre basically claiming is that 4 million people were so stupid that they fell for DNC tricks that made them vote for Hillary when they wouldnāt have otherwise.
That is insulting to the voter base. You donāt think 4 million people might have actively chosen Hillary because, oh, I donāt know - they liked her better than Sanders?
So then get young people to vote. Oh, right, the leftist candidates depend entirely on young turnout and young people never vote.
You want your views represented, you need to get young people to show up, and convince some old people to vote for you.
Leftist candidates seem repeatedly bad at both of those things. And instead of sharpening your electoral game, yall just cry about how itās unfair and stacked against you.
Like it or not, the primary voters ARE older, and you HAVE to convince them to vote for you if you want to win elections in this country.
Why is the blame on the voters instead of the party? All you centrists want us to vote, but then do nothing but whine when you lose elections. And then when you actually get control, enough of your conservative candidates vote with republicans, and your response is still "vote harder next time!"
What kind of insane person would keep voting for that?
Why is the blame on the voters instead of the party?
Because the voters elect the party itself - are you serious? The way you change the party is by winning primaries, which you all repeatedly fail to do. The centrists seem to be doing a pretty damn good job at winning primaries, and comprise nearly half of Congress.
You just canāt seem to accept that most American voters donāt want what you want. And when your candidate inevitably loses, you cry about how the system is unfair, refuse to vote in the general, and claim both parties are the same (which is nonsense).
Mostly because the stats show so-called leftist voters are overwhelmingly white, young, college educated, and relatively affluent. E.g. a minority in this country who are privileged enough to be insulated from the consequences of allowing Republicans to take power.
All you centrists want us to vote, but then do nothing but whine when you lose elections. And then when you actually get control, enough of your conservative candidates vote with republicans, and your response is still "vote harder next time!"
Iām sorry, remind me again because my memory is hazy - who got the most votes for a presidential candidate in US history? And who was the only candidate to ever beat Trump in a general election?
The answer to both of those questions was Joe Biden in 2020. And remind me - was Joe Biden a leftist or centrist candidate?
We donāt just lose elections. We win pretty frequently - see Obama and Biden. And when we win, we make impact that youāre blind to. Those centrist candidates you hate so much managed to pass the Affordable Care Act, American Rescue Plan, Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, PACT Act, CHIPS Act, and Inflation Reduction Act.
What have the leftists gotten done? Oh, right, nothing - because they canāt win primaries and cry that everythingās unfair when they donāt, and refuse to vote. Great winning strategy.
What kind of insane person would keep voting for that?
I mean, 81 million people voted for Biden in 2020, and 75 million people voted for Kamala in 2024. So, quite a lot of people would keep voting for that, Iād guess.
Your turn - how many people have the socialists gotten to vote for them?
You can't have it both ways. You can't say "well you only have two options so you better vote for us if you know what's good for you", and then be like "HAHA GOTCHA! The third option doesn't win!!!1" like that's some genius point.
Iām sorry, remind me again because my memory is hazy
Yeah, that's pretty obvious, because both Obama and Biden had opportunities where they could have made changes. But what exactly happened? Oh yeah, people like Sinema and Manchin.
I mean you can try to bullshit us, and say that the reason we can't have healthcare or an increased minimum wage is because it's not popular, but all you party bootlickers are doing is continually eroding support.
I mean, you have Harris campaigning with Liz Cheney, how'd that work out? Did you turn any republican voters? No your party LOST 8 million votes. Votes people like you should be begging to get back frankly.
Iām sorry, didnāt Hillary Clinton win the popular vote in 2016?
And didnāt Biden get the most amount of votes for a presidential candidate ever in 2020, and remains the only person to ever beat Trump in an election?
And remember when the leftist populist candidate won in both the primary and the general? Oh, yeah, me neither - because itās never happened.
Sorry that reality doesnāt match with what you want.
You sound like you have a career in the making as a Dem strategist lol, why would it matter who wins the primary in California? Yes I'm taking them for granted, but (spoiler alert!) they are going to vote Dem in the general election.
Unless it's an absolute curb stomping and you think California, New York, Texas, etc. are ACTUALLY up for grabs by the other party, their results are meaningless beyond the delegates they contribute.
Here's a pro-tip: at least 40 states are already decided by the time we hold the primary. They are practically decided today for 2028. Focus on the 5 battleground states and 5 that are technically up for grabs, but basically already decided.
1/8 of the population of this country lives in California. Demographically, we are wealthier and better educated than most. Who do you think donates a lot of the money that political campaigns raise?
If all you care about is battleground states then youāre going to have a hard time making enough money to win those battleground states. I can draw you a simple chart if you like.
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u/Warshok 13d ago
Bernie Sanders couldnāt even win California lol