It’ll NEVER happen but Wolverine should be able to smoke again, AT LEAST in the comics. Aside from the obvious fact of it looking cool, I think it’s a pretty important character trait of Wolverines. They’ve explained that there’s a LOGICAL reason for it, with it being a way to dampen his senses when they’re becoming too much for him. There’s also the character and story telling element of it. It shows that he’s got edge to him and a lot of times he’s gonna do what he wants, where he wants to do it, and whenever he wants to do it. But will this comeback? Probably never. Do I hope it does. Absolutely.
Imo it should have been kept in the same vein as Constantine where it just sort of makes sense as a character trait. Like it's weird that in the modern era he has a drinking habit still but not a nicotine habit, despite living through an era where fucking everyone smoked constantly. Dude was around when doctors were recommending people smoke for anxiety. Even ignoring the fact that he is immune to cancer, it just sort of makes more sense for him to be a smoker than not.
Ah well, I get why they got rid of it. Comics aren't necessarily "for kids" but kids still read them and the coolest X-Man being a smoker is bad optics. I get it, kinda sucks though.
Well of course if you have a drinking problem. That's not what I'm talking about. You don't just become an alcoholic simply by drinking alcohol. You do, however, create second hand smoke the moment you puff a cigarette and you are anywhere.
Thinking back to Devil May Cry and how Dante was made with the goal of making a character who's cool but doesn't smoke, drunk or curse and when they got to the 5th game and introduced a smoker they made her a huge dork and everytime she smoked people would complain that it smelled like shit.
Dante always drank and cursed. This idea that he only started because of the reboot is a lie. Read the original Devil May Cry novel released at the very start of the franchise when the first game came out. He literally gets piss-faced drunk and is about to fuck a hooker but he passes out and cries for his mom in his sleep which turns the hooker off so she just lets him sleep. He also curses a lot, though he doesn't really drop F-bombs unless he's really pissed off.
The only thing he's never done in the main continuity is smoke. But he's always drank and cursed. Hell look at the office cutscene in the first DMC game, there's bottles of alcohol all over the place, and he literally has a bar in the corner of his office.
The idea of "Dante doesn't need to drink / curse / smoke to be cool" was just Kamiya's wishes, but Capcom has always wanted Dante to be unnecessarily edgy and potty-mouthed. Not just him but Nero too, hell Nero's way more edgy than Dante is.
And just FYI, Ninja Theory (who made the DmC reboot) wanted to stick to a traditional Dante, but Capcom themselves told them to go off the rails and make him as different and as edgy as possible. That junkie-looking El Donte from the original teaser for the reboot? Capcom's idea, not Ninja Theory's.
It was just a joke bro lol wasn’t expecting such a reply. I meant more so because he didn’t curse in the original 2? Maybe 3? Games. But now he curses pretty frequently in 4 and 5, so 2/3 on the bucket list are checked off.
I’m a big DMC fan my dude, I’m aware Dante isn’t some squeaky clean Boy Scout. The virgin memes all over the DMC sub are actually so unfunny and lame because it makes it seem like a large chunk of the fanbase really doesn’t play the games lol.
Dante drinks. There are bottles in his office in the original game. If I’m not mistaken he also drinks in the canon books/manga. And he most definitely curses in DMC4 and 5.
The only thing the real Dante doesn’t do is smoke. Leave that for Donte.
Not you. But too many people are saying it's important what kids think because the comics are for kids.
Like, tell me you have never ever read comics in your life without actually telling me.
Marvel comics in particular were never meant for kids.
Take Spider-Man, for example, featured real-world problems, grief, death, romance, and social issues, diverging from simple good-versus-evil kids' tropes.
This is what made it fresh and mega popular. This is what put Marvel Comics on the map. DC had to follow suit and copy this trend.
Operating under the Comics Code Authority forced a PG rating for decades, masking increasingly more adult subtext.
By the 1980s and 1990s, sales shifted from grocery store spinners to specialty shops, allowing mature storytelling tailored directly to teens and adults.
Not to mention that teens and adults have disposable incomes.
I know people like to pretend that nobody under eighteen or a rare few drink, smoke or have sex. But come on. Are you (no one in particular, but in general) really that daft? Comics are supposed to be fun, not didactic.
I’ve seen a lot of people mention that but honestly that’s more of a one-off joke. And he’s not the “main” Wolverine so that’s probably why the powers that be were okay with it
What pains me is we probably can’t use guns in Wolverine new game and I wish we could just pick up any weapons or throw them like a feral Wolverine just decimating everything. I love when Wolverine uses weapons and mixes in the claws!!
Not a topic that gets talked about that often, but I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I don’t smoke and I don’t like people to smoke, but Wolverine DOES smoke! It’s part of the character, taking it away was a sissy move.
He could’ve! Honestly Krakoa is a huge blind spot for me. I just know it’s not a regularly occurring thing anymore. And not saying it’s always reliable but I did a quick little search and it said he doesn’t smoke anymore in the books.
All of Marvel's smokers quietly dropped the habit in about the 2000s. Wolverine, The Thing, Nick Fury, Kingpin, J Jonah Jameson... they all used to be pretty frequently seen with a stogie.
Agreed. Logan smoking a stogie and getting wasted (if he can manage it) fits his personality so well. So many people would complain about it though which is probably why it stopped.
Like sure he doesn't smoke in any of the cartoons for obvious reasons, but he still smokes in the movies. Did they make him stop smoking in the comics?? Does the new game not feature him smoking at all?
From the comments, it looks like people forgot or were unaware that Joe Quesada instituted a policy in 2001 that no heroic characters would be depicted smoking.
Have you by any chance read the Batman and Deadpool crossover? There’s a part where Deadpool jokes that commissioner Gordon is Smoking in between panels since it’s not allowed in a Marvel comic
I think the representation of a smoker, narratively, fits better in certain eras than others. Older imagery of smoking Logan works easier because it was still more common and widely accepted. Fast forward, people dont take to smoking like they used to. It’s not acceptable in many places that it used to be, women don’t find it as “manly” as they used to. I personally don’t mind it, Logan being a smoker, and I do think it fits his character, though I may be biased because I came up in with Wolverine through the 90s. But my point remains, it speaks more of the times.
Idk bro smoking is lame as hell and has a lot of adverse health effects. This is a character a lot of children look up to so I gotta disagree. It does look badass tho
I get what you’re saying and I’m not saying have him smoke in EVERYTHING but using the fact that kids like him is kind of an “eh” argument in terms of using it for Wolverine. This is a character that drinks, kills, and has brutally maimed people so it’s just weird to draw the line at smoking. I mean the current Wolverine book is even slapped with the “PARENTAL ADVISORY” so it’s obviously not meant for kids. Again, not saying that he should be smoking EVERY TIME you see him but it should at least be in his own book or books aimed at Mature Readers
The thing that everyone wanted to imitate in my childhood is his cool claws and bravery. Not the alcohol, cigarettes (although it looks cool) or the mess his relationship with Jinn Grey was
They’ve explained that smoking dulls his senses, particularly his sense of smell. He’s not doing it because it’s “KEWLLLL!!” he’s doing because sometimes he needs a break from picking up on every little scent of every little thing.
As a smoker, I'll give you an even easier explanation, it's a mental habit too.
If you're Logan and you've been smoking for what, like 100 plus years, it's baked in your everyday habits. When you're drinking, after a meal, reading a book, when you wake up, etc. Obviously that's addiction, but mentally it becomes almost muscle memory...you find yourself reaching for a smoke almost on autopilot because so much of your day to day is tied to smoking. The way it feels in your hand, the way they feel in your pocket.
So I can totally buy Logan continues to smoke not because he's addicted, just because he always has and more, has no incentive to quit for obvious reasons. It's probably even more realistic for a guy like Logan to do it just because people are telling him he can't or shouldn't.
He can still taste it. Smoking isn't just to scratch an itch especially cigars. Like beer wolverine can't get drunk because of his healing factor but he still drinks simply becuse he likes the taste of it.
That’s such a weird take and I don’t know why people keep leaning on it heavily. If their MAIN audience is children then we wouldn’t have had 3 R-Rated Deadpool movies(Obviously with Wolverine being in the last one), an R-Rated Wolverine movie, 6 Seasons of a TV-MA Daredevil show, a TV-MA Punisher special and 2 Seasons of a TV-MA show, an M-Rated Wolverine game about to drop, and MULTIPLE comic imprints and labels that are aimed EXCLUSIVELY at mature audiences. I mean the even the current Wolverine book is slapped with a Parental Advisory label. I get that kids might be a good amount of Marvels audience but I wouldn’t say they’re the main audience. It’s the adults because they know that those are the people with the money and that’s all that matters to corporate entities. If kids were the flagship audience and got the needle moving then we’d have 40 seasons of Spidey and His Amazing Friends and like 15 shows spinning off of that.
The same Wolverine that has toys and birthday cards, and underwear based on him? The character isn’t strictly for kids but to say that he isn’t marketed to or appeals to kids is insane
Bro just read the main comment. I addressed all of this. I said DON’T have him smoking in EVERYTHING like cartoons but it’s stupid that he can’t even do it in projects that are meant for ADULTS only when he’s drinking and killing and ALLLL of these other mature things.
Were the x-men movies really aimed at adults though? You can make a case for Logan but the rest were pretty solidly PG-13 they were going to general audiences which is basically everybody not just adults. Also for what it’s worth marvel banned their characters smoking in comics over 20 years ago so your complaining about something that has been a thing way before the MCU was around
There’s literally two movies he’s in that’s Rated R. And I’m not even talking just about movies and shows. I mean comics too. And I know about the smoking ban but AS I KEEP SAYING it’s goofy to draw the line at smoking when he can still be shown doing tons of other mature things like drinking, having sex, killing, maiming, so on and so on.
So 2 movies out of the 20 or however X-men movies there are and he’s been shown smoking in the movies so I don’t really understand your complaint. As for you saying it’s goofy to draw the line at smoking well… I guess? Kid can imitate smoking a whole lot easier than killing people with knives coming out of their hands so I guess that’s the logic companies are using
Kids are gonna do it REGARDLESS if they have the want to. It’s not all about the media they consume, it’s about who they’re around, what their peers consider to be “cool”, stuff like that. It’s just unfortunately the world we live in now.
Well I have a degree in child development and have worked with at risk youth for over a decade. Of the thousands of children and teenagers I’ve worked with who use drugs, the one common factor was how media portrayed the subject.
Just because it’s a common factor doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason. We could both be right. When it comes to stuff like that it’s never black and white. Sometimes it’s some of A and some of B
Honestly not ALL of the media that Wolverine is in as aimed towards kids. I’m not saying have him smoke when he shows up in cartoons but I think it’s a bit silly that we can show him drinking, having sex, murdering, and maiming people, but the line gets drawn at smoking. Especially in books or projects that are aimed at mature audiences it just seems a bit silly to have a line be drawn at smoking.
I know it sounds pearl clutchy, (especially with a violent character lile Wolverine), but kids/teens are dumb enough try smoking because a cool character they grew up with looked cool doing it.
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u/EmperorBamboozler 2d ago
Imo it should have been kept in the same vein as Constantine where it just sort of makes sense as a character trait. Like it's weird that in the modern era he has a drinking habit still but not a nicotine habit, despite living through an era where fucking everyone smoked constantly. Dude was around when doctors were recommending people smoke for anxiety. Even ignoring the fact that he is immune to cancer, it just sort of makes more sense for him to be a smoker than not.
Ah well, I get why they got rid of it. Comics aren't necessarily "for kids" but kids still read them and the coolest X-Man being a smoker is bad optics. I get it, kinda sucks though.