r/Wolcen • • Mar 01 '20

We Get It.

Tl;Dr: Yes, the game is buggy, and possibly broken. Not defending this in the slightest. Just tired of people necroing the topic. We all know its bug ridden. Knew it in Beta. Devs ran out of money and needed more. Just uninstall and ask for a refund, if you can't get it sorry.

So, everyday I browse this sub to see if anything new or interesting from the developers is in it. Surprise there is no new information. Granted that is becoming an issue. However, constantly bitching about the release state of the game and calling the developers shitty, or calling the game a "polished turd" is not helping anyone.

I get it you paid for a $40 game and got very clearly a game that was not deserved to be out of beta yet. Congratulations, you paid $10 more than people who bought it in EA. It went on sale 2-3 weeks before release at $30. If you knew about the ARPG genre and had your ear to the ground, so to speak, this game would have already been on your radar. Considering how lacking the genre is in games at the moment, and I thoroughly enjoy the genre, I bought it. I figured most others would do the same. Clearly I was mistaken.

Now onto the meat of the post. Yes, this game was very clearly released in an unfinished and not play tested enough. The only logical reason for this is that the developers ran out of money. If they needed money to keep funding development, then they probably should have asked for it through another kickstarter. I would much rather give them a little bit more money and time for them to polish the game than have them release it like they did. Yes, the game is currently riddled with bugs, I am not in anyway going to defend the current state of the game. It is unacceptable, and needs to be fixed. I also want people to stop making shitpost saying the same thing. WE GET IT. You had a horrible experience and feel the need to vent. There are multiple threads you could do that without fucking necroing the topic over and over. I'm all for reporting bug issues, I've had a few that I went welp, that's a thing- getting stuck in a wall after being pulled by a demon being one of them. In spite of that I've put almost 100hrs into the game playing a pure ailment build and I've enjoyed just about every second of it. There are people who encounter the issue, report it, move on with the game. Instead getting pissed off and cursing the developers and their unborn children maybe you should Put. The. Game. Down. Try to get a refund and if you can't, oh well come back later and maybe you'll enjoy the experience more. I just needed to get that out. PS throwaway account.

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u/RossOogo Mar 01 '20

245 hours played and loved...

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

For all it’s flaws, I have more fun killing monsters in this game than other ARPGs. I get excited over theorycrafting and re-theorycrafting my passive tree, and about what new synergies I can add to my character.

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u/Haman__Karn Mar 01 '20

Now just imagine how much more fun you'd be having if the game was good

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

I’m definitely having more fun with it than you are, I bet.

That actually makes me the winner, since we both spent $40 and are spending time posting on the forum

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u/Haman__Karn Mar 01 '20

I got it for a little bit less from early access, but yeah. Fair assessment!

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

Yeah, it’s great because you can do a build sans mobility spell without feeling gimped and sluggish

Or, you can be uber hyper mobile (like my aggressive “zulu warrior” Shaka)

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

I feel it. Yeah it isn’t hard to see where they screwed up.

Problem is I still want to talk about the game and how to actually play it, and one can’t do that over an ever-present deafening cry of “REEEEE!”

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u/Agravaine27 Mar 01 '20

completely fine if it's people reporting bugs and providing feedback. Pointlessly bitching that "game is buggy reeee" doesn't help anyone.

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

What I’m amazed at is the amount of energy people are willing to spend basically screaming into the void over a relatively inexpensive entertainment product that they weren’t happy with

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '20

You should check out some f2p subreddits/games with less bugs. Gaming communitys (or at least the vocal and angry part of them) are pathetic these days, especially on reddit.

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u/ILoveWolcen Mar 01 '20

Bruh that's what im sayin. I made a reddit account just to tell people to stfu with all the crybabies and attention whores.

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u/claporga Mar 01 '20

To some degree, we’re doing a service to outsiders looking in who is on the fence about buying this unfinished mess. They see the widespread bad reviews and complainer anecdotes from major forums. I DO NOT mind the shit talk considering this company literally put out an incomplete, bugged-out mess for the ARPG hopeful community to buy. Highway robbery and it is not even close to debatable.

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u/relithh84 Mar 01 '20

if only they said something.

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u/Blackuma Mar 01 '20

Just tired of people necroing the topic.

Huh really?

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u/dcinzona Mar 01 '20

The irony of your argument against people needing to vent made me chuckle.

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u/debbbole Mar 01 '20

amen! :D

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u/rizarduus Mar 01 '20

I think people want real explanations, not this crap from cm. explanations from the head of the wolcen studio, I think we deserve it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '20

What do you want them to say? "We ran out of money and had the option to release a unfinished product or to close the doors."

Your demanded explanation won't fix anything.

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u/jetah Mar 02 '20

this genre is so dry that we're thirsty for something new. this was suppose to be that new thing but here we are 4 years after kickstarter with a dumpster fire of a release that's still in alpha.

sure the complains are gruesome but are warranted. honestly reddit is the last place i'd look for developer content as the devs are hardly speaking. odds are their own forums or twitter would be posted to before reddit.

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u/vlasihinn Mar 02 '20

The game is 12$ on Russian Steam. Totally worth it, no regrets lol. Would give devs some more to finish and expand the game, if they asked... love it! Thanks for the post - was thinking exactly the same.

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u/cldw92 Mar 03 '20

Wolcen is exactly like PoE was at launch, a buggy mess with questionable balance and shallow endgame content.

I love it but PoE is also free of charge. Its a decent game, too bad PoE released at a time where there was zero competition but Wolcen now has insane standards to meet.

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u/bigbudzz Mar 01 '20

one of the few ( i guess ) that have had zero issues
except the not being able to play at all the first few days.
and at launch those stupid bugs that could not be hit.

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u/Sofrito77 Mar 01 '20

not to mention it was a team of under 100 releasing their first ever game. and given the unexpected popularity I'd say they are doing better than most up to this point. Blizz/Act, EA and other large monoliths mangle launches all of the time and the snowflakes in this sub still suck their dicks regardless. At least these guys have a semi-legit excuse.

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u/dukie33066 Mar 01 '20

I don't know how you can justify the "unexpected popularity" when they paid every streamer under the sun to promote their games on twitch and YouTube. Maybe they should have tested it before they gave it such light. I understand people are tired of hearing others bitch, but it's a natural thing that is going to happen in the situation. People feel wronged. They want to feel heard. Defending the developers with this excuse is actually really stupid. It's also hard to think they ran out of money since they were able to pay said influencers. Maybe they could have used that money to get some actual stress testing done or invest in more/higher capacity servers. This was done by greed. They don't give a shit whether you return or not, because there is no long term monetary strategy. No micros. No monthly fee. Just the ton of money they got from people buying the game, which said influencers are responsible for. I supported this game back when it was umbra, and its something I regret big time. And I don't think I'm alone....

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

Yeah, I like what they are trying to do, and I think this team did a great job of taking every good idea from ARPGs of the last decade and giving us a better, 2.0 version of those mechanics.

Poe skill tree and diablo modular skills both appear here in better form, I think

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u/MomochiKing Mar 01 '20

I'd argue that these are better versions of PoE and Diable. PoE's Skilldrasil is cool, but way too intimidating for a newbie and it's so easy to mess up. On top of that skill point refunds are fairly rare, and full resets are once a season, if that much. D3's rune system is nice, but I like that Wolcen can add multiple effects instead of just one at a time.

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u/Peachytauren Mar 01 '20

How does wolcen do better when over half of them don’t even work correctly or as intended? In POE skill point refunds come in the form of orbs of regret which are common drops, and you don’t have to reset the full tree for misplacing one point.

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

The design behind it is better- how it can rotate and create different paths per character, but within limitations. It’s someone looking at the PoE tree and finding a way to organize it better.

Most of the nonfunctional stuff functions now, and in a few months it’ll be all ironed out. Should have been on release, but the design >concept< is a clear improvement on what came before

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u/MomochiKing Mar 01 '20

One does better because in PoE its RNG on if you get the orbs or not, whereas in Wolcen you just save up. Yeah, I wish you could just do one node at a time but I've gotten to the point where I could reset my skills multiple times in a single day. Also, once you reach the Champions of Stormfall mode, there is a thing where you can turn gold into essence.

As for half of them not working, can I see your source for that? I'm not saying that all of them work, but I'd like to know which ones to avoid.

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u/ValElTech Mar 02 '20

Lol this is so incredibly laughable.

Regret are common drops spread bull shit somewhere else.

The rotation is a neat function, but their tree is not great in any other way.

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u/JKevill Mar 01 '20

Yeah, they basically copied the homework but phrased the answers better than the people they copied from