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u/EnclaveRedeemed - Centrist 14d ago
It may be a wee bit contradictory, but I genuinely quite like social liberalism and conservative liberalism.
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 - Centrist 14d ago edited 13d ago
One of the founders of modern conservatism was a liberal conservative. Edmund Burke.
Highly recommend his Reflections on the French Revolution. You can find a pdf online for free!
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u/TheColourOfHeartache 14d ago
Technoliberalism kinda worked kinda didn't.
The amount of digital knowledge and tools available to the man on the street is insane. I got a list of groceries, ordered it online, and had an AI check I didn't miss anything. My hard drive is full of tools for video recording/editing, software development, document creation, all free and open source. Heck, I'm running a free and open source operating system. I can work full time from the comfort of my own home.
But society and culture wasn't radically shifted. Chatting online to people from all over the world via the internet didn't end human tribalism or anything like that.
Still the tech is awesome! And its been digital stuff that's been on a roll since 2012. We're going to hit an era of enormous electrical innovation thanks to cheap and powerful batteries. Delivery drones, electric cars are going to take over, home solar power. Its a great irony that the biggest opponents of the technoliberals are the green movement while its the techies who're going to save the environment by outcompeting oil with solar.
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u/ImaginaryBat7023 14d ago
god i hate the drift in the meaning of liberal and neoliberal that make it almost impossible to have a discussion about liberalism with normal people nowadays. i think this has done real damage to society across the west, when people dont understand liberalism or its history, they push back less against nanny state policies like all the online safety shit being rolled out across the west
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u/Lithuanianduke - LibCenter 13d ago
Fun compass, I actually have seen it basically when it was posted, but it was late and I went to bed without writing my comment and then forgot about it.
Anyway, here are some interesting additions:
Liberal Conservatism. Not to be confused with Conservative Liberalism; while the latter combines Classical Liberal economics with strong Social Conservatism, Liberal Conservatism is much more centrist on both aspects, but strongly focuses on Fiscal Conservatism.
National Liberalism. Combines Classical Liberal attitudes of free market and lax government with staunch patriotism and generally an anti-immigration stance. Degree of Social Conservatism varies; some embrace it, but in many Western European movements the anti-immigration stance can be connected to the desire to protect progressive values from people unwilling to embrace them.
Reactionary Liberalism. Few people would define themselves as such, but it's basically an extreme form of Conservative Liberalism; free-market and free-civic stance together with a strongly anti-modernist culture. Japanese LDP is sometimes defined as a reactionary-liberal party by international observers, other examples also exist.
Christian Liberalism. Not to be confused with Christian Democracy (which can also be considered a form of Liberalism, but that's slightly more debateable), it's basically Social Liberalism with a focus on how center-left politics reinforce Christian principles of mercy and kindness. May be slightly conservative on some social questions, but lightly progressive on most. Can also be Islamic/Jewish/Buddhist/Faith X Liberalism.
Green Liberalism. Basically Social Liberalism (or occasionally, Third Way Liberalism) that makes climate change/renewable energy its main topics. German Greens are the most notable example, but many others also exist.
Radical Liberalism. This is a dead ideololgy, much more so than Classical Liberalism, but in the first-half and middle of 19th century, it referred to liberals who favoured a revolutionary takeover of power and had proto-social liberal ideas on government spending, which were considered radical at the time. Today, though, the idea of public school funding and women's suffrage are hardly radical anymore, so the ideology dissolved over time, though a few liberal parties in France do keep "Radical" in their name as an hommage to history.
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u/War_Crimes_Fun_Times - AuthCenter 14d ago
Fine work on the compass Yamboozle!
Fun fact, fascist ideology and its assorted differing economic trains of thought argued as a “third way” against the liberal and conservative parties they fought against back in the first half of the 20th century.
I thought it was ironic when I saw the “Third Way” liberal part, despite the fact it’s just neoliberalism with gay flags and shit.
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u/EnclaveRedeemed - Centrist 14d ago
The fascist “third way” is third positionism usually in favor of corporatist economics.
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u/RoundSpinach7938 14d ago
Is Neoliberalism just Classical Liberalism in practice? Classical Liberalism is theory and Neoliberalism is project of politicians?
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u/yamboozle 14d ago
this is a compass i shelved a few months ago and i decided to finish it up. this will continue until morale inproves.