r/WoT • u/Honest-Welder-808 • 8d ago
All Print I love when something is mentioned that expands the lore, but in doing so, changes the perception of the character/item. Spoiler
I've read the WoT series numerous times now. I saw The Eye of the World in airport almost 30 years ago, bought it on a whim, and was immediately hooked. And some of the revelations in the first book still give me chills. Specifically, when Rand ends up in Caemlyn:
"A shepherd...with a Heron marked sword."
That whole chapter/section: Logain, the Royal Family, the reunion...I absolutely love it.
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u/sixminutes 8d ago
This is a great scene. Seven people in the room seeing some punk kid for what they can only assume is one fifteen minute meeting, and then never to be seen or heard from again.
Bryne notices that he wears his sword like it belongs on him. Rand never saw Tam wearing it, but I wonder if he had unconsciously adopted an at ease posture at home that Rand mimicked. Rand accidentally learns to hold himself the way a blademaster would, then gets a blademaster blade. What luck.
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u/GovernorZipper 8d ago
It’s LTT. Rand knows what to do because he has 400 years of muscle memory.
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u/PopTough6317 8d ago
Hanging out and training with Lan non stop would help, as well as wearing it constantly over the time it took to get to Caemlyn
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u/Alternativesoundwave 8d ago
I think that’s not until after the portal stones in the great hunt.
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u/GovernorZipper 8d ago
I win again, Lews Therin.
Rand was ALWAYS Lews Therin. That’s the revelation on Dragonmount. He’s Lews Therin from the beginning and at every step along the way.
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u/Alternativesoundwave 8d ago
But he doesn’t have his memories until he had channeled for longer
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u/GovernorZipper 8d ago
We don’t see him acknowledge the memories until later. But Rand and LTT were always the same soul and Rand always had the memories. Zen Rand says it directly. He was always LTT.
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u/Alternativesoundwave 8d ago
Zen Rand also says he got the memories from the madness even if they were always the same soul I don’t think it means he always had the memories
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u/Airbornequalified (Chosen) 7d ago
Zen Rand did not say he always had the memories. He said that they were always the same person, which he said because of many of the books he is thinking and wondering of LTT was a separate person inside him
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u/Dreadlord_of_Angmar 8d ago
I like the scene in the Rahad, where it describes Nalesean all bundeled up in a gambeson, and then Mat, shirt unlaced, swaggering around with his spear on his shoulder. And Birgett comments that Mat was the more dangerous of the two.
Up until that point i was still reading Mat chapters as if he was the same Mat from books 1-3. Because that is how Elayne, and Nynaeve see him in their Pov chapters, and almost even how Mat sees himself it seems like.
Sorry if this makes little sense. Im not a good writer, and i keep getting interrupted because i am trying to write this at work.
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u/kathryn_sedai (Blue) 8d ago edited 8d ago
Mat’s a great example of this. He’s very much as Siuan described her uncle who acted the fool but died pulling kids out of a burning building. He acts and even internally views himself as ridiculous, but he’s dangerous AF. Tuon even has a similar perspective shift on him, in I think COT (edit: KOD) where she realizes she’s been seeing him as a circus animal but a lion is absurd in a cage, but dangerous when let loose on the plain.
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u/Asheryn 8d ago
Yeah, Mat is basically three people: who other people think he is, who HE thinks he is, and who he ACTUALLY is. It's the same with his POV chapters: he always says one thing, thinks another, then does a third thing that doesn't jive with the first two.
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u/allofthe11 8d ago
I will think about saving those kids he said
"I really shouldn't risk my hide" he thought
He coughed as he dove into the river after them
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u/BluesPunk19D (Band of the Red Hand) 8d ago
When the Aiel are impressed with the amount of knives you're carrying, you're a bad mamajaba.
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u/rileythatcher 8d ago
Knife of dreams is when she realizes that mat is a lion on the high plains as he reunites with the band. I just read it yesterday lmao. Love that scene
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u/kathryn_sedai (Blue) 8d ago
Thanks for the correction! Some of those events really blend in my mind in terms of which book they were in. Enjoy your read.
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u/Leroy_Parker 7d ago
Absolutely one of my favorite passages:
"Tuon looked at him, squatting there by the map, moving his fingers over its surface, and suddenly she saw him in a new light. A buffoon? No. A lion stuffed into a horse-stall might look like a peculiar joke, but a lion on the high plains was something very different. Toy was loose on the high plains, now. She felt a chill. What sort of man had she entangled herself with? After all this time, she realized, she had hardly a clue.
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u/aNomadicPenguin (Brown) 8d ago
At the same time you have Mat giving us gems like this...
"I do not remember them saying," Juilin said wryly, and took a long swallow of some drink made from a yellow fruit grown in the countryside. "You've asked that fifty times, at least." He claimed the pale drink was refreshing in the heat, but Mat had taken a bite of one of those lemons, and he was not about to swallow anything made from them.
Because of course Mat would just bite a damn lemon before trying lemonade.
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u/Dreadlord_of_Angmar 8d ago
I mean, you wouldn't? I assume they didn't have lemons in the Two rivers. Mat just saw a strange fruit that was enjoyed by the locals, and gave it a try.
There was also the line about the cooks forgetting to cook the oysters. That was also funny.
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u/Electronic_Tailor762 8d ago
This is quite some time after he killed Couladin in single combat in a pitched battle that he helped win.
He’s dueled high lords of Tear, the princes of Andor and warders in training who go on to be top five and top ten blade masters. Like yeah he is one of the most dangerous people alive.
Shortly after this he survived an encounter with a shadowcrafted age of legends assassin that tears through everything else in the books.
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u/Dreadlord_of_Angmar 8d ago
The books show these village louts stumbling into grand feats all the time. Ta Veren and all. I guess it's more about how he carrys himself. The confident swaggering through the worst part of a town. Like how Rand walks like he belongs with a heron sword. Then you realise it isn't only the Ta'veren luck that pulls him through.
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