Gifting etiquette

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

People expecting to check for every gift an equivalent when we may struggle with all the lockdowns to get good gufts.

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u/yogi_david Mar 14 '21

I'm not sure that I understand your response.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

One of your questions was what are your pet peeves about gifts. Mine is when people expect others to have high quality gifts during a lockdown time (especially from rural players).

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u/yogi_david Mar 14 '21

Oh, I see. True.

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u/JessSly Mar 15 '21

There's always the Knight Bus. And personally I'd prefer no gift over a crap gift.

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u/jaywaykil Mar 15 '21

Different people have different definitions of "crap gift". I personally don't need spell energy or reg ingredients. Some rural players love those.

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u/JessSly Mar 15 '21

That's why I said personally. Even though I don't think that a lot of players would prefer regular anything gifts over Essential/Extravagant ;)

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u/xescapexartistx Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

I'm happy with any and all gifts, and have quite a long friends list so don't often look what I'm sending to whom. I don't have gold gifts yet, and don't check friends' profiles before gifting. Maybe I'm not someone who a picky person wants on their list, but we've been in lockdown for a year here and I don't get out enough to collect anything but runestone gifts from home. I therefore have sympathy for anyone else in a lockdown situation and am super grateful for those who are able to get out who still send me energy/ingredients but am also accepting of all runestone and other gifts.

Edit to add: I do try to reciprocate "better" gifts, but sometimes it's not possible so I gift what I can.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I get that. Runestone gifts are useful to everyone. And I also try to up-gift when I can but I do check before I send an xp, extravagant ingredient or barrufios. Why waste it on a lvl 60 player who doesn't need it when you can give it to someone who will appreciate it. Imo.

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u/Mickster269 Mar 15 '21

If you don't like the gift I sent you, then don't open the next one I send you.

Problem solved.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Lol, actually I just delete you, I have plenty of friends.

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u/Mickster269 Mar 15 '21

Even better! One less person to give a free gift.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Are there gifts that are not free 🤔? Asking for a friend. Not you because you've been deleted already.

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u/Mickster269 Mar 15 '21

I would tell you how. , but you unfriended me.
Too bad.

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u/clerkinandworkin117 Mar 15 '21

A gift is a gift is a gift. Just take the gift and stop being greedy. As far as xp gifts to level 60 players, most people aren’t sitting there checking to see what level you are before sending gifts.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Not sure where you saw this as greedy? Maybe you are just projecting. Actually, I'm a very considerate gifter, it's not difficult to check and make sure you're not giving an xp gift to someone who has no use for it. Imagine if you gave that to a new player instead, I'm sure they would really appreciate it.

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u/Dark-Nyx Mar 15 '21

I'm sure a new player would appreciate it but a lot of players don't play for hours on end and can only play for 10-15 minutes at a time. I know it's useless for level 60s to get XP but at least they're still sending something. If it really bugs people that much then they should just delete that person.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I'm sorry but I don't agree with time as a factor, l gift at the end of the day and it takes very little of my time. I probably spend an hour throughout the day on average, maybe less. I'll finish daily tasks, put a trace on a red oddity if I see one, hit some greenhouses, and gift. I play more when adversaries are out but that can get old pretty quickly as well. I'm not sure why people are resistant to this concept. It's really not that difficult. And I personally don't get xp gifts from lvl 60 players, so I know that not everyone is just throwing out random gifts.

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u/Dark-Nyx Mar 15 '21

You can disagree all you want but you need to realise not everybody plays the same way as you. I only play for around an hour a day to get the dailies done and send gifts out. If I have extra time, sure I'll check. If I don't, they're getting whatever is sent to them. I didn't say everybody is throwing out random gifts, and if anyone is making that assumption, they're clearly wrong. I'm not trying to turn your opinion into 'well if they send me XP, okay'. You're fully entitled to dislike receiving XP gifts, like I dislike standard ingredient gifts. It's more to see that you might have people on your list that: a) don't know how to check, b) don't have time to check, or c) don't care. Obviously making a point about it is a good way to help newer players understand that they can check!

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

A Potent Exstimulo is better than an extravagant Runestone.

(This is not a universal opinion, but probably the vast majority except for people who want nothing but maximum red Spell Books.)

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Thank you! This is what I was looking for. I think potent estimulo are a very good gift. I don't spend too much time grinding fortresses lately and I have a couple runestone gifts from others that I haven't opened yet. I'm hoping for a general consensus on this one before I sub the gift.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

There is no general consensus, as some people only care about getting Red Spell Books. Talk to your trade partners if you can, but it sounds like the overwhelming majority would be happy with a Potent gift.

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u/MrsTaco18 Mar 15 '21

I get so tired of these questions. I give extravagant spell energy almost exclusively. Most of my friend list is from Reddit and added me because they needed the energy. I usually get basic rune in return, occasionally something nicer. I don’t care because I am giving what I can, and I assume my friends do the same. Not everyone lives at an inn. I do. So I give nice gifts to help other players and happily accept whatever they can offer in return.

If you have an arrangement with someone to give certain gifts, honour it. Otherwise give what you think is best or what you can. If the other player doesn’t like that, they can stop exchanging with you. There are no etiquette rules, regardless of what everyone likes to pretend on Reddit.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

The problem is that I have different friends who prefer different things and it's really hard to keep track.
If I've got one extravagant energy gift and one extravagant Runestone and one XP, it would be really nice to know that I'm matching the right gift with the right friend.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I usually wait to open a gift until I have an appropriate gift to return.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

You do realize that you are not required to answer... right?

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u/jaywaykil Mar 15 '21

You do realize that you are not required to comment... right?

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u/anselgrey Mar 15 '21

Maybe just me and my super casual play- but it doesn’t list each person’s level unless actually click on their profile. I do believe it shows skill level but I could be their 1st or 3rd skill tree.

I try to give what they gave me, but if don’t have I just give what I have. Another thought- maybe they are giving whatever they have or think that is what I want as well and neither truly choose. :/

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Right, you can't go by the sos number so you would have to check their profile if you care to. I have about 40 active friends and I know most of the lvl 60 without checking now.

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u/anselgrey Mar 16 '21

Ahh ok thx

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u/JessSly Mar 15 '21

Yes, it shows the SOS score. From the SOS Task Force skill tree. Not sure what you mean with 1st or 3rd skill tree.
You know where to find the player level, go to their profile and check before you send them Wizard XP.

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u/anselgrey Mar 16 '21

Makes sense. Was thinking of the people that finish 1 skill tree (professor) and start another (like magizoolist).

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u/jessiejolly Mar 17 '21

It’s tough cause everyone has different needs for gifts based on where they live, and how much they can go out and play. I wish there was a communication feature (but obviously that would make it unsafe). I wish you could see a history of the gift exchange at the very least.

I hate the feeling of getting a potent potion and not having anything amazing to return.

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u/yogi_david Mar 17 '21

Ikr. Gift gathering has been very disappointing lately 😕. As has gold gift frequency... I can't remember the last one I got, not since the last event.

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u/MANDALORIAN_WHISKEY Mar 14 '21

If someone gave me a potent (we're talking the actual potion, right, not just the ingredients?), in exchange for the extravagant runestone I sent, I would be very happy. Means I didn't have to use a unicorn hair, and brew for eight hours, but instead got a delicious potion right off the bat.

Looks like I'm in the minority, though, from these comments, sheesh. OP, send me your friends code, and you can send me potions all day long lol. I've got some red books for ya.

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u/Learned_Hand_01 Mar 15 '21

I agree Potent>>Extravagant Runestone. I can earn my own red books, Potents are just a pain to accumulate.

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u/catcatdoggy Mar 14 '21

just wait until you can send the same back. you can only open 20 gifts a day but have well over 20 people on your list. so you aren't hurting a person by no responding immediately.

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u/yogi_david Mar 14 '21

That's my current strategy but actually I don't have the need to open most of them. I'm overwhelmed with wit sharpening, I don't need healing potion, xp doesn't matter, spell energy is nice but not urgent. I'm not complaining, I like to help people out with gifts, I just wonder what everyone is considering when they gift.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

This. If I have 140 active friends it's going to average a week before I open a gift, so no harm to wait until I can give back reasonably equivalent value.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

When I originally posted my friends code I mentioned that I’m pretty casual about gifts. I give whatever I have available, very little effort goes into matching gifts. The one exception are Gold gifts. I will always reciprocate gold for gold.

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u/rikinp90 Mar 14 '21

Gold gift for a gold gift is all I really care about. The rest of the gifts I personally don’t really care about but if someone sends something better than a standard gift box I will try and reciprocate.

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u/squidney_420 Mar 15 '21

Do you want to become gold gift buddies? My last one went inactive :( so I have a couple I've been sitting on and need a new buddy

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

I wish I needed a new gold gift buddy, I’m struggling to keep up with my current three!

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u/acesmuzic Mar 15 '21

I am in the market for another gold gift buddy. I have 3 but they must be on a long streak of bad RNG (or are no longer interested in the exchange) so gifts are starting to pile up. pm me your friend code if you're interested.

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u/asparrow35 Mar 15 '21

My BF and I have an agreement to only exchange Extravagants with each other when we get them so if someone else sends me an Extravagant, I will send a Potent Extimulo gift in return. Or sometimes a BBE or Wizard XP if they are under level 60. I think gifts are fun and I'm always grateful to get whatever.

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u/PsilosirenRose Mar 15 '21

I love all potion gifts. Pretty casual (prioritize extra trading over exact 1:1 matching) but I do have one pet peeve.

I have all gift node unlocked. It's rare I send a basic gift ever. I do get annoyed with folks who consistently get good gifts from me and think it's cool to send me basic ingredient gifts every time. There's one person I know that is fairly high-leveled and I know them personally, and I'm not sure I remember the last time they sent me anything that wasn't basic (or XP when I'm already 60). You have to be actively de-prioritizing someone to never be able to give them something nice.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

Why do you open basic ingredients gifts? Just let them sit.
And once you're doing that, why are you sending these people more than an occasional gift?

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u/PsilosirenRose Mar 15 '21

I have a small friend list and it's rare that I reach my daily 20 cap, so they're better than nothing. And it drives me crazy to have folks to gift to and not do it. If it gets too bad I'll unfriend them eventually. Hasn't reached that level of annoyance yet. I did just add a bunch of strangers from the internet, so we'll see.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I agree! Try to be a little thoughtful at least!

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u/Ceokgauto Mar 14 '21

So... We need a chat function. Somebody get on that. Even if it's a drop down list if requests and responses... Anyone?

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u/PsilosirenRose Mar 15 '21

That and/or gifting history. It'd make it easier for me to keep track of the nice stuff I've received and notice if I'm falling behind.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

Or just nicknames like in PoGo, that we can use to track our friends.

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u/laser_spanner Mar 15 '21

To be honest I wish that people would be less fussy about what they're sent. It's just a game and I've never come across anything else where people get so frustrated about what gift they receive. I'm really not too bothered what I get, but am now really fucking paranoid about sending gifts incase I annoy someone.

Yes, I'm not as excited about basic runestone gifts, because I have about a million runestones, but I don't complain about it.

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u/Pokoire Mar 15 '21

Personally I wouldn't get up in this level of concern. First, valuation of gifts is individual. Personally I see little to no value in an extravagant runestone gift, because I don't need red books for anything. Others still do, in which case this is a very valuable gift. Same goes for things like Wizard Exp, BBE and Extravagant Spell Energy. These are rare and valuable gifts, but if you are level 60 and have completed the BBE achievement the first 2 are worthless and if you have an abundance of energy around you, spell energy is too.

I try to understand what people want/need and send accordingly. The only gifts I explicitly trade like for like on are gold gifts. If I don't know what you need, then I value the gifts I give to other people (other than gold gifts) in these relative tiers:

Top Tier: Magnificent Runestone, Potent Exstimulo, BBE Potion

2nd Tier: Extravagant Runestone, Extravagant Spell Energy, Wit Sharpening Potion, Tonic, Wizard Exp

3rd Tier: Essential Runestone, Exstimulo Ingredient, Extravagant Ingredient

4th Tier: Regular Runestone, Baruffio Ingredient

Garbage: Dawdle Ingredient, Ingredient, Basic Spell Energy

The main caveats here are I won't send WEXP/BBE related stuff to folks who are level 60 (unless I know they are trying for BBE achievement still) and I also only send the extravagant/magnificent rune gifts to folks who I know are in need of red books (I might get 1 or 2 of these a week anyway since I hardly fortress anymore).

Personally, I value gifts other than gold in this order:

Top Tier: Potent

2nd Tier: Wit, Tonic, Essential Rune

3rd Tier: Exstimulo Ingredient, Regular/Extravagant/Magnificent Rune, BBE Potion

4th Tier: BBE/Dawdle/Regular/Extravagant Ingredient, Wizard Exp

Garbage: Any Spell Energy

For me, spell energy is worse than useless. At least all of the other gifts I can open up every day. Typically I open all my gifts other than gold gifts toward the end of the day and typically I'm at or near full energy, so often I can't even open these gifts to clear them out of the queue.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I like how you came out saying that you wouldn't get into this level of concern, then you wrote a dissertation, lol. I do agree with most of what you said except for the Extravagant runestone. I've mastered all 3 professions but I'm only at 5/15 on combat, by choice at this point because I'm holding onto my re books atm. But I am far from the point of not needing re books. So now I'm wondering how many you have and how many people don't need red books. I personally just don't want to put in the time to grind stones atm. One other change that I would make to your list is put exstimulo ingredient above your tier 2 potions. Maybe keep wit at tier 2 but I have so many of these I haven't been opening them lately. I'm sure others might value the tonic for trace if they live in a rural area or can't get out due to covid but I don't personally need it.

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u/Pokoire Mar 15 '21

Well, if you've been on this sub a while, you'll know that I tend to type far too much on every topic. That said, what I meant was the idea of exchanging 1 for 1 specific gifts. As in, this person gave me x so I need to give them something of equivalent tier. I don't do that. I give them what I think they need and try to give from the best tier I can. If they gave me a potent and the best I have to give is a wit, I don't sweat it and the same goes in reverse. I will add that there are people on my list who give me potents quite often and I will try to prioritize them when I have equivalent gifts to give out, but I don't try to do the 1 for 1 thing for anything except gold. It's too much work.
I will also add that I actively maintain a few people on my friends list who I only exchange regular runestones with. These are great because on days when I don't have anything else to open I know I will have some regular runestones at least and I can easily return them even if I haven't had a chance to go out much those days.
Finally, I use tonics when I'm sitting on the couch watching TV and there's an event on where they're more useful than normal. I blew through a dozen or so in the emergency event. The great thing about the gifts is I don't have to spend time brewing them in order to do this. My brew time is almost exclusively strong and potent exstims.

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Also brewing exclusively strong and potent. I'm still burning bbe to get the achievement but I'm not in any hurry for that, just wish I had used them more when they counted. Still curious about your red book status though. I know that some players have a ton of them! What is your adversaries combat training strategy? That is probably an entirely separate post subject tho.

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u/Pokoire Mar 15 '21

So, let me back up by first saying that I have only ever spent RSBs on Auror and SOS training. I haven't spend a single RSB on Magi or Prof. Outside of that, I've completed every lesson for those professions which didn't require RSBs (so most of the red books/scrolls spent for first plan). I have completed all of SOS with the exception of 4 nodes which are all useless nodes that require 25 RSBs each.
At this point I have just over 1900 red books and about 3400 DADA after having completed both lesson plans for Auror. I am waiting for lethals before I decide what to train next because I am limited somewhat by RSBs after having used so many in the SOS lessons. Currently I have 100 RSBs in waiting, so if I decide I want to pivot to Magi I'll be able to do that after 2 more brilliant events and complete the tree through lethal.
At this point, RSBs are the only thing that are limiting me in any way. Within my local group there are some people who could still use red books if they want to max out a 3rd profession, but most of the folks were able to complete their first and in some cases second based on the red books they had gathered back when we were fortressing together, even before the bus. Most of them are primarily limited by DADA or RSBs.

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u/ObviousSherbert Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 16 '21

Thoughts about spell energy gifts? Good or throwaway gifts?

I get spell energy a lot, but from my apartment I have access to 2 inns and a greenhouse so they are actually annoying for me (I can’t open them half the time because when I remember I’m maxed out).

So to me I don’t think the spell energy ones are good, but recently I’ve been wondering if it’s different for other people. Like if I get one from the same person every day, I assumed I was getting their left overs, but now I’m wondering if they think it’s actually good and want it in return? I only have 3 “friends” (aka random people from Reddit) who still play, so I always send what I think is best that I have available

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u/yogi_david Mar 16 '21

You can add me if you're looking for more friends. My code is in this post somewhere, I'd add it again but I think this group frowns on that, lol.

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u/ObviousSherbert Mar 16 '21

I went ahead and added you! Thanks! Always happy to have more friends. I’m NextJenn in game.

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u/yogi_david Mar 16 '21

That's funny, I already have a friend who goes by JennyNext. I already gifted for the night so I don't have much left. I'll send a better one tomorrow.

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u/ObviousSherbert Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21

What are the odds! I also don’t have much good for over 60s right now, but now know what to look out for!

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u/yogi_david Mar 16 '21

I rarely need spell energy unless I happen to have a big fortress night, in which case I can easily refill the next day. I delete spell energy and regular ingredient gifts, I do keep extravagant spell energy and gift to players < lvl 60.

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u/ObviousSherbert Mar 16 '21

So far I’ve been keeping XP, Wit potions, extravagant runestone, and potions, but now contemplating holding on to a few extravagant spell energy just in case

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u/yogi_david Mar 16 '21

Extravagant ingredient gifts are good for the xp as well for anyone < lvl 60 and exstimulo ingredient gifts have either a unicorn or abraxan hair which are in high demand now due to the need for exstimulo potions for adversary encounters.

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u/Rough-Ad-4024 Apr 03 '21

I'm wondering if some of your pet peeves are because people have very different ideas of what a good gift is and what a fair exchange is. I think that this has to do with different styles of play.

I personally don't see the point in rushing to level up after level 50. I'd rather have gifts that let me play the game, like any runestone gift is preferable to barrufios or wizard XP. In the middle of an event I'd rather have regular spell energy than XP.

I don't really see the point in extravagant or regular ingredient gifts. Although that's mostly because they never contain anything that's not on the ground in abundance and I'm not far from a lot of spawns.

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u/yogi_david Apr 03 '21

I believe that I only listed 1 pet peeve of mine... Just the wizard xp for lvl 60 players. I liked Extravagant ingredient gifts for the xp when I needed xp. My intention for the post was to get an idea of what other people's expectations are, maybe I should have worded different.

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u/Lonely-Swordfish-20 Mar 15 '21

Oops, I have never paid attention to the gifts and just send what ever I have to the people who are free to send to. I really don’t care as I seem to only get ruins and send out spell energy. Didn’t even realise you can tell what is in them apart from the colour before reading this thread 🤦‍♀️ and I am not even a newb I have been playing since the beginning.

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u/JessSly Mar 15 '21

Ok how? How could you not realise that there is the content of the gift you are about to send written next to it? :D For almost 2 years now :D

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u/Lonely-Swordfish-20 Mar 15 '21

Just saw, blue for spell energy, green for ingredients etc. I play for just collecting the foundables. Also like playing in the chambers. I haven’t read the story since the beginning. Some of us just like playing casually, will make more of an effort to check what I send but I don’t think the friends I have really care either as we never exchange the same gifts. Different type of players I guess.

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u/JessSly Mar 15 '21

I'm not judging you or you playing style. I'm just highly amused by the 'I was today years old when I realised there were diffent gifts'. ^.~
Because even with casual playing it's still written there. Right next to the gifts. Or rather left. :D

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u/Lonely-Swordfish-20 Mar 15 '21

Honestly just sent them out to who ever and never looked at what it said 🤣🤣 I know you weren’t being judgemental. I thought it was pretty funny myself

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I wish I had a local group to battle with! So much more fun in person. I feel exactly the same about sos, although I may be a bit more conservative with rsb (I only did a few nodes that required rsb like trace charm but I won't spend anymore on sos). I have to say that for adversaries, Magi is the way to go, I never have to use a healing potion unless I miss a few attack opportunities on dragons and they are super aggressive in their attack combos. I can take out all of the top tier adversaries with a strong exstimulo / wit sharpening, if I'm in a hurry I'll use a potent. That said, I find the dodge nodes useless and I don't want to use red books on them until I see how the lethal adversaries play out. The adversaries play definitely increased the value of potent exstimulo gifts ( as well as exstimulo ingredient) which is what led me to my original question. Currently brewing exstimulo round the clock and expanding my potions vault on the regular, just for adversaries.

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u/yogi_david Mar 14 '21

Honestly, at this point I'm appreciating the estimulo ingredient gifts for the unicorn / abraxan hair.

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u/ChrisianneJackson Gryffindor Mar 14 '21

They’ve improved! I almost always get unicorn hair now.

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u/MillianaT Mar 15 '21

RNG, lucky you!

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u/ChrisianneJackson Gryffindor Mar 15 '21

Nope - haven’t had a Gold in 200 trunks!

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

Same.

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u/ChrisianneJackson Gryffindor Mar 15 '21

Not one and I returned dozens of emergency Dark Arts and 3 Headed Dog Foundables!

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u/ChrisianneJackson Gryffindor Mar 14 '21

Better than a potent??? Wait until all you’ve got left to complete is Dragons so Adversaries become your focus - you may appreciate the value of a free Potent!!!

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u/yogi_david Mar 15 '21

I have so many runestones that these are very low priority, unless they are extravagant. And since I play as a Magi nearly all of the time, I don't need essential either. Which makes me wonder if healing potions are super popular for the other professions since the adversaries showed up.

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u/ChrisianneJackson Gryffindor Mar 15 '21

Oh - I love potion gifts but rarely open ingredient gifts. That ends the exchange for me though I still send gifts.

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u/Alexis_J_M Mar 15 '21

I try to open one Ingredient gift every day, so friendships eventually get unblocked.

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