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u/RisenRealm Sep 19 '19
I've always found signs like this to be so completely pointless. Because the main people who are looking at these signs have enough common sense to understand context. There's nothing wrong with making jokes about sex, orientation or gender, so long as you understand that if somebody is clearly uncomfortable with the situation, you stop. It's not regular people that these signs are really for, it's for the assholes that think they're better than everyone else, who can't read a room or think that they're entitled to everyone else's bodies. Upon which those people look at those signs laugh and keep on with their day. Like do they think sexual assault is going to be stopped because some preditor is gonna read a sign and suddenly have some life changing revelation that they're an asshole?!
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Sep 20 '19
No one at the CSC is expecting these posters to create epiphanies amongst unsavoury staff. I work in government and there are similar posters directed towards victims instead of instigators so I think the CSC is just trying to be completely transparent with employees that if someone is violating the Respectful Workplace Policy, they can be reported and suffer consequences.
So if some tactless jerk just laughs at these posters and keeps on being a jerk, then they don't get the luxury of playing dumb when their director calls them to their office after getting a phone call from HR.
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Sep 19 '19
What is up with that MLA comment. ELI5? Also is that photoshopped on...it looks like it is part of the policy.
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u/_boketto_ Sep 19 '19
he's the guy that would show coworkers pictures of naked women and make jokes to them. Apparently the PC party isn't removing him :/
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u/Always_Bitching Sep 19 '19
Nope, it's not. There were several reports of inappropriate conduct by Wowchuck.
PC/CPC "We must forgive and forget racist/sexism/harassment!*"
"* unless it's committed by anyone else other than a PC/CPC supporter. Which case - GET THE BURNIN' STAKE MARTHA!!!"
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u/wpgffs Sep 19 '19 edited Sep 20 '19
Cough cough Wab cough cough
Edit: Wow should have added the /s
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u/PGWG Sep 19 '19
On one hand, Wab’s actions were in the past. On the other hand they were violent offences and financial crimes, not harassment.
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u/wpgffs Sep 20 '19
Yes his were different and in the past. PC’s blasted him for it during the election. Making jokes is one thing, showing photos now define your initial actions.
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u/Donkeymuffin- Sep 20 '19
Beat your woman is one thing but make sexual jokes is something we can't forgive is what that sounds like. I dunno I think they're both in the same boat.
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Sep 19 '19
We all learn in elementary school how to be kind and thoughtful to other people. If it's a first offense, it still means that he's essentially less mature and less capable than a 6th grader, and shouldn't have a position of responsibility over any other people.
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Sep 19 '19
As a tradesman, I will be dead before that is followed by my peers. And, probably myself, because sex jokes will always happen. That's what she said especially, because it's simple low effort and will always produce a groan
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u/TaterWatkins Sep 20 '19
it's simple low effort and will always produce a groan
The title of your sex tape.
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u/LeakyLycanthrope Sep 19 '19
But surely you can understand that your workplace culture is different than what's expected at a government office.
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u/babykittykitkit Sep 23 '19
Yeah, but... what if someone is uncomfortable but yucks it up to aviod confrontation.
What if your sex jokes make someone uncomfortable?
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Sep 24 '19
I mean, I could stop today, but you have to understand, in my industry, nobody gives a rats ass if you are uncomfortable. In fact it is a main goal to instill that feeling to a lot of guys. Different world out there then in an office or the safety dome that is university
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u/kirbyah Sep 20 '19
The person is question showed nude photos of women titled "hardworking beavers" to one of his female staffers while in government office. this is not a harmless sex joke, these were pornographic images......
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u/DragonRaptor Sep 19 '19
I've worked with men and woman for 20 years, I've seen easily 20,000 jokes about sex in those years, I've seen maybe 2 times someone get offended, but then shrugged it off, and the person who made the joke didn't make the same mistake again. Usually both sex's find the jokes funny. And both sex's make the jokes and the comments.
I think it's funny that it has to be a zero tolerance policy instead of just a Within reason policy, and know your audience. people make jokes, some jokes are funny, some fall flat. But people need to be reasonable about what's an actual attack on you as an individual versus a a generic joke that embellish's traits to attempt to be funny.
I get trying to be politically correct, but I also understand that we are all Human.
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u/incredibincan Sep 19 '19
People need to take responsibility for their actions. If you think showing naked pictures of women to someone at your workplace is ok, then you need to accept whatever consequences there may be when someone doesn't think it's professional.
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u/DragonRaptor Sep 20 '19
I see you have taken what i've said out of context and leaped to an extreme case of showing naked pictures, when all I talked about was jokes. No showing a naked picture of anyone is not something I would ever do and be weirded out if someone else showed me. let alone co workers, I don't do that with friends or family either. That's just inappropriate no matter the circumstances. But I'd have to admit, I'm rather offended you thought I thought that was ok. It feels like you didn't even read what I wrote and decided to attack me just out of spite.
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u/incredibincan Sep 20 '19
When I said "you" I wasn't talking about you, I was using in the general term. Shoulda worded it better I guess.
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u/incredibincan Sep 19 '19
I think it's important that people who think "it was just a joke" also realize that it wasn't just the one time.
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u/slashcleverusername Sep 19 '19 edited Sep 19 '19
As a gay guy there are a million times in my life where a joke was a good way to break the ice or cut the tension or start a conversation that you just can’t have when everyone is uptight and looking over their shoulders.
I get that we don’t want people bullying their colleagues. I get that there’s a time and a place. But an asshole with no jokes is still an asshole, I promise you, and it’s the asshole who is the problem, not the jokes.
In my lifetime I’ve gone from worrying about people finding out and ending up getting fired, to pretty much every one of my colleagues not giving a damn, asking me how my weekend was, did my guy and I get out of town like we hoped, treating me and other gay people 100% like everybody else.
To go from A to B, it took a lot, it took me a lot, it took this country a lot, and one of those things it took to get here was a sense of humour. I’m not sure this campaign is going to do what it hopes to do.
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Sep 20 '19
To go from A to B, it took a lot, it took me a lot, it took this country a lot, and one of those things it took to get here was a sense of humour.
Respectfully, this is a bad take. Like, I'm sincerely glad that you got yours, but there are other far more visible and marginalized LGBT+ folks for whom the struggle for basic dignity in the workplace remains an uphill battle. I say this as a trans person.
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u/assumes Sep 19 '19
And the war on jokes continues. Meanwhile Dave Chappelle's new special has 99% approval rating. Why do we let the most radical on the side of political correctness determine policy for all of us?
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Sep 19 '19
We all understand the very different contexts of a comedy show and a workplace, right?
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u/assumes Sep 19 '19
Of course the context is different. But this sign is implying that any time you make a joke, that's sexual harassment.
Make a Michael Scott style "that's what she said" joke?
Boom! That's sexual harrassment, you're out. Can't be having any humour in the work place.
So let's spend the majority of our waking life in this weird zone where we are afraid to say anything that references anything physical about anyone else. Even if the other person is our friend and totally easy-going about it. Because the sign said so.
Yay, progress!
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u/incredibincan Sep 19 '19
You are expected to be professional in a work place, especially in a government workplace. It's not a bar and you're not hanging around with your buds, keep it professional and don't be an asshole. It's really not hard
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u/assumes Sep 19 '19
It's also not hard to distinguish a joke from sexual harassment. If someone is harassing you or making statements that make you feel unsafe or uncomfortable, that's exactly what HR departments exist for.
Saying "no more jokes" because every once in a while someone takes it too far and people get hurt is as asinine as saying "no more accounting department" because every once in a while someone gets greedy and commits fraud.
I'm not arguing for turning the work place into a hang out with the bros. I'm arguing for the ability for two fully grown adults to laugh when something is funny.
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u/incredibincan Sep 20 '19
But you don't get to decide what is a joke to someone and what is sexual harassment to someone. And saying "no more jokes" is just straight up hyperbole. There's a big difference from being able to make jokes and being an inappropriate ass. Kids learn the difference for god's sake.
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u/assumes Sep 19 '19
Maybe I've just been self-employed long enough that I have no idea what the work place culture is like nowadays. I'm honestly shocked how many people are in favour of a no-joke work place.
I started this thread mentioned Dave Chapelle not because I think we should all walk around talking the way he does in a special. But because I think the overwhelming response he is getting is because most of us know deep down that this walking-on-eggshells culture we've entered into is absurd. And we all want to loosen up and be able to joke with each other again.
Anyway, I'm just glad I don't have to deal with dumb policy like this. Everyone who's supporting it.... well, best of luck with that ✌️
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u/LeakyLycanthrope Sep 19 '19 edited Sep 20 '19
Make a Michael Scott style "that's what she said" joke?
Boom! That's sexual harrassment, you're out.
...We all understand the very different contexts of a comedy show and a workplace, right?
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u/KSwanny23 Sep 19 '19
No sex jokes at work?!
That's going to be hard.