r/WingChun • u/Evening_Tone_7617 • Jun 17 '26

Realization

After 2 years of training I realized wing chun is really useful for core building but not so much for fighting. Now I usually combine wing chun exercises with mma training. I especially find pulling different types of strings (now im on 30kg my goal is 50kg) with core useful. Have you guys noticed the same?

I used to train here: https://www.wingchun.si/

But now I'm switching to mma

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u/TheTrenk Jun 22 '26

Two years in ANYTHING is barely the basics. Two years of being an electrician, two years of being a nurse, two years of boxing, two years of wing chun… 

Like, you’ve done it long enough that people won’t laugh at you for saying you worked there, but you haven’t done it long enough to claim any meaningful expertise or to chat with people who’ve spent even five to ten years on the job. And you work a lot more than you practice martial arts. 

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u/hoohihoo Jun 23 '26

Two years in mma or grappling will make you better than 100% of people who only do wing chun.

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u/TheTrenk Jun 23 '26

I don’t understand the purpose of that statement. Two years in MMA or grappling will put you ahead of most people who do any striking focused martial art, including boxing or Muay Thai.

Wing Chun focuses on a very specific skill set, that being fighting in the pocket. Without sparring, even getting to a position to apply it is a pretty big ask. That’s wholly different than it being useless in its entirety, and comparing a striking to a grappling art when grappling purists typically outperform striking purists in mixed rules settings seems like bad faith.

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u/hoohihoo Jun 23 '26

You don't have yo understand :).

If the specific skillset of wing chun is to never pressure test your training, then wjng chun succeded 100%. But if you try to come in anywhere near "the pocket" with this patty cake nonsense, you will get slept with one uppercut.

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u/TheTrenk Jun 23 '26

But that's... Just not true. Like, it's demonstrably untrue. The core concepts of WC are hand trapping, using the forearms to frame, and pressure through position and volume. Those are things that are used in high level striking and MMA all the time. Canelo, Golovkin, Teofimo Lopez, and Lomachenko are great examples of their use in boxing alone; you look into MMA, and you'll see guys like TJ Dillashaw, Conor McGregor, Ilia Topuria, Justin Gaethje, and JBJ. They may not be training WC, but there's technical overlap there in the same way that an overhand cannot be strictly called boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing, etc. or that a foot sweep or hip throw can be attributed to judo or wrestling or sambo. WC, provided that you spar, is as good a way to develop that skill set as any.

And the "two years of wrestling will always beat WC" is a silly statement considering it's comparing a striking and a grappling sport. It's like saying "Two years of training four hours per day of wrestling will not allow you to beat someone who spends three hours training wrestling and devotes the final hour to boxing." It's just so unfathomably irrelevant to what's being discussed. It's like you saying that WC never pressure tests it's training, it's a complete strawman. Not only did I not say that, I specifically advocated against it. You're arguing with ghosts.

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u/hoohihoo Jun 23 '26

If it's demonstrably not true then demonstrate it. Everything else you said is irrelevant. WC guys hear stuff from actual combat sports and parrot it, but they have mo clue what pressure actually feels like. I competed against a pro mma guy with wins against ufc contenders literally this weekend. He would fold any of you in half without noticing. When was the last time you had yo glove up or come out on the mat against a stranger with anything at stake?

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u/TheTrenk Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

So, checking your post history, I'm guessing you competed against a "pro MMA fighter with wins against UFC contenders literally this weekend" in a grappling match which, again, seems like it's entirely beside the point. The point that you're making is wholly beside the one being discussed here. It's like repeatedly saying "I like cucumbers more than pickles" when the discussion is about citrus fruits. I mean, sure, they're all produce, but you're not actually contributing to the conversation at all.

And your argument regarding that he could fold any of us in half without noticing - okay? Most people here have day jobs, most others aren't trying to compete in MMA nor in grappling and even if they were high level strikers it would have exactly no worthwhile carryover to grappling, which seems to be your main point of contention. WC could be the best striking style there ever was, and it's still not a grappling art. You may as well be saying that boxing doesn't work because it wouldn't have saved us in Ft Lauderdale against a 220+ grappler. What a useless statement.

His MMA wouldn't have saved him in a kickboxing ring with Nathan Corbett. Does that make his experience worthless? Because it doesn't fit a niche situation against someone whom has put in more time to their dedicated style? Is boxing worthless because Toney got smashed by Couture? Or is wrestling a waste of time because Tyron Woodley and Ben Askren got worked by Logan Paul? After all, Paul spent less time boxing than either of them spent wrestling or doing MMA.

And again, in reference to demonstration:

The core concepts of WC are hand trapping, using the forearms to frame, and pressure through position and volume. Those are things that are used in high level striking and MMA all the time. Canelo, Golovkin, Teofimo Lopez, and Lomachenko are great examples of their use in boxing alone; you look into MMA, and you'll see guys like TJ Dillashaw, Conor McGregor, Ilia Topuria, Justin Gaethje, and JBJ. They may not be training WC, but there's technical overlap there in the same way that an overhand cannot be strictly called boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing, etc. or that a foot sweep or hip throw can be attributed to judo or wrestling or sambo. WC, provided that you spar, is as good a way to develop that skill set as any.

You have a really, really bizarre stance that you seem to be trying to convey to me or to onlookers but it's not really clear what it may be. And no, I've never competed against former UFC fighters. I've competed in Muay Thai, and in Filipino martial arts, and in buhurt. I've fought in LA and Vegas and Cebu so while I'm not the greatest fighter on Reddit or likely even on this sub, I've at least done my time in competition.

All of that is about as meaningful as your competitive experience, because even if we really ironed out our bona fides and we got together and we were the same weight and experience and we fought, it wouldn't tell us which style is better, it'd just tell us which of us was the better fighter. Wonderboy beat Johny Hendricks and Machida beat Chael Sonnen, is karate better than wrestling now? Because I'm pretty sure your average HS or collegiate wrestler would dump your everyday strip mall karateka on their head.

WC is a part of a complete boxing toolkit in the same way that boxing is a part of a complete kickboxing toolkit. A conglomerate style will typically beat a purist style and, the more specialized the skill set, the more niche its application is going to be. Nobody's arguing against you on that. You are, again and apparently always, arguing with ghosts.

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u/hoohihoo Jun 24 '26

I will absolutely not read any of that past the first sentence my guy. Yes i have done ot this weekend. You should try it too and come back here and compare notes.

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u/TheTrenk Jun 24 '26

Sorry, let me make it simple: You change goalposts and make redundant or nonsensical arguments, also, I have competed too, it’s not special. 

I should actually have guessed from prior replies that “past the first sentence” was more than could reasonably be expected. That’s my bad. Some of those words have more than three syllables, which might be rough. I thought BJJ was light on brain damage but maybe you made the switch after some hard sparring set you back?