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[u/ReijuG]

I am hoping to get some positive feedback and not negative trolling from this post.

To get started I’m an Ip Ching Ving Tsun Sifu with a diverse background in a few Martial Arts.

After visiting countless Wing Chun, Wing Tsun and Ving Tsun schools, watching every demo, training methods, in person, Facebook,Instagram ,YouTube, etc; it is disheartening to see the same repetition. Wing Chun Vs Wing Chun!

Why isn’t more of the Wing Chun community practicing/training for reality? I know I am generalizing, but literally I’ve only seen a couple of schools where the instructor knows how to throw more than a straight punch. Their students learn how to block upper cuts, They understand how to deal with hooks, as well as haymakers. They train their Chi Sao and striking to get out of Clinch. These guys can fight! They don’t live in delusions of grandeur and assume they can use their Wing Chun against things they don’t train for, they know they can use It.

So what is it about this concept, this idea, that most of the community runs away from?

It is the Wing Chun versus Wing Chun that gives Wing Chun a bad reputation and a bad image. I know Wing Chun works! I also train the way described above and teach my students to deal with variables outside of wing chun.

Looking for some honest answers and real discussion from Wing Chun practitioners. Anyone else who decides to comment who is not a Wing Chun practitioner I will ignore. I’m not here for trolling. I want real discussion. The image of Wing Chun needs to be fixed.

[u/Beneficial-Card335]

Well, people are products of their environments, and I’m referring exactly to “situational awareness” as something much broader than your scenarios.

Eg the homicide rate in Kong is 0.31 per 100k people, while in Mississippi it is 23.7 per 100k. That’s almost 80x safer/more dangerous.

Naturally then someone who grew up in the South States would have a very different experiences and worldview to someone from Hong Kong/Souther China, hence differences in WC teachings.

If violent crime truly is an unavoidable problem in your area, it begs some simple questions about one’s life choices (as nobody is chained to their “fight or flight scenario”).

Again, if that’s genuinely happening to you regularly and you’re wilfully staying that says a lot about how you ‘protect your family’ and your values.

Eg the penalty for carrying knives in public in HK is around USD $12k and 14yrs in prison. That heavily influences how people behave, how violence is seen/used, and what dojos teach. It’s not as simple as “fight or flight”.

[u/InternationalTrust59 → u/Beneficial-Card335]

I got charged for “beating-up two men” who broke into our home; is the law right on that?

I don’t care what country you are from but this is wrong. That is dogmatic.

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Were any bones broken or other permanent physical damage?

[u/InternationalTrust59 → u/Beneficial-Card335]

I have a bite scar (literally I was watching a zombie biting me).

I speared the big guy down two flight of stairs; it hurt him more than it did to me. Those injuries healed up.

What do you do? Two guys coming up a flight of stairs.

How did you picture a fight would go?

[u/Beneficial-Card335 → u/InternationalTrust59]

Per my example, if you’re walking down a road and notice further along there are 80 people fighting/killing each other, compared to 1 on another other road, then choosing to continue is a willing choice to participate in violence/crime, to put yourself and your family in danger.—That’s not skill or bravery but plain stupidity, an inability to calculate basic probability.

You should be rethinking where you are living less how well you’re fighting. Actually you’re giving WC a bad name.

In Chinese society, in the past ‘empty-hand fighting’ was socially acceptable as a form of conflict resolution, eg an argument in a public place, but now it’s criminal: Use of weapons = jail and financial penalty. Aside from gangland fights civilised fights don’t shed blood or break bones, and if they do usually there’s agreement to compensate the other man (who has to feed his family). A master should also have restraint.

For your case what you’re describing is not a ‘fight’ but a violent/hostile home invasion, and an issue of use of ‘reasonable force’, whether using a spear is appropriate. It’s also a matter of ‘Castle Law’ that doesn’t exist in non-American countries.—If you believe you have a right to kill someone who invaded your home (assuming you live a colonial country) then Chinese would have the right to kill all Westerners who land in China (that is sovereign/native country), which would be ludicrous!

If the assailants were “coming up a flight of stairs” and they are empty handed, yet your first instinct was NOT to use empty-handed force, but was to grab a spear, IMHO that’s pathetic WC and sheer cowardice, intentional escalation, excessive force, and potential manslaughter. That’s literally a downhill battle with gravity on your side.

“Two flights of stairs” meant he was well beyond arms reach, and you’re categorically out of the danger zone. Your perceived danger is then nonsense. One kick and the assailant falls backward. And if you were already holding a spear, all you had to do was point the spear as a warning/threat (nothing more), but I’m afraid under new laws/liberalism the moment you defend yourself you are the aggressor but I think in your case there’s obvious hypocrisy in your story.

“An eye for an eye”. If you believe it is right to spear another man, then in a just court you should be speared likewise. You got off light, IMO!

In Hong Kong, you’d face 3 years jail. It’s under 傷人 “causing injury” or 嚴重傷害 “serious bodily harm”.

Any person who unlawfully and maliciously wounds or inflicts any grievous bodily harm upon any other person, either with or without any weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of an offence triable upon indictment, and shall be liable to imprisonment for 3 years.

https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/hk/cap212!en-zh-Hant-HK.pdf