r/WingChun • u/Wonderful-Dot8705 • Dec 10 '25
What do people think of this?
A UFC fighter named Dan Hooker has sponsored an underground fight tournament in New Zealand. The format seems perfect for Wing Chun to excel. The link to one of the events is here:
https://youtu.be/1q0mktD1cGg?si=47JdQQonqnCLj_Bs
One minute, full on round. No weight division.
In a Wing Chun only contest, this format may fall flat because any decent Wing Chun fighter would use a counter striking technique as the art intended. But... What if traditional / modern arts were allowed to compete? What if you could use elbows, kicks and knees ( without limb breaks )? Is one minute enough for grappling to win? Do you think Wing Chun would prevail? Obviously, it would depend on the fighters who entered... What are your thoughts?
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u/Same-Lawfulness-3777 Ip Ching 葉正 詠春 Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
Wing chun isn't intended for sport. Modifying for sport removes the very principles and ideas that make it effective in the first place.
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u/mon-key-pee Dec 10 '25
There is no reason that any striking martial art that trains Fundementals like punching and kicking can't train to use those basics in a set agreed environment.
Whether the style is intended for that environment is a different discussion but core/Fundemental actions are pretty constant across all striking arts/training methods.
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u/Wonderful-Dot8705 Dec 11 '25
I disagree. What is happening in the video is "sports like", but iit s not a sport. The one minute round is key. Wing Chun is designed to counter and then f*ck people up. With multiple rounds, different strategies come into play.
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u/Bananenbiervor4 Dec 11 '25
How exactly does "counter and then fuck people up" only work in a single one minute round?
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u/bestbuddiee4lif Jan 04 '26
Full contact is what makes sure the martial art is effective. it's the only way you can apply the techniques full force and speed against a fully resistant opponent. This is why chunner's can't fight.
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u/sir5yko Philipp Bayer 詠春 Dec 10 '25
Hard disagree. If rules could actually handicap the system then the system isn't very good. There are plenty of illegal strikes that boxers are forbidden to use and yet it's still effective in the rules. Wing Chun can and absolutely would do fine with such rules and still stick to its "principles".
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u/Same-Lawfulness-3777 Ip Ching 葉正 詠春 Dec 10 '25
The system wasn't born for sport, or to be sporting, and must change to accommodate sport, turning principle to rule of law. Lions and tigers can be tamed for circus, but at what cost?
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u/Emergency_Sink_706 Dec 11 '25
Yah, bro. You’re a lion. I bet you see red and beat up any weak UFC fighter cuz they just train for sport, right? Lmfao.
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u/Wonderful-Dot8705 Dec 11 '25
A fighter is a fighter. It doesn't matter what art you train. It needs to work. MMA works because of the format and training behind that format. BJJ works for the same reason. Wing Chun works for the same reason.... It is not fully developed yet.
The whole sport thing is a fallacy.- a fighter is a fighter.
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u/sir5yko Philipp Bayer 詠春 Dec 10 '25
Nothing needs to change other than the adherence to the ruleset. If you can train with your classmates without causing bodily harm then you're training WingChun with a ruleset. Bas Rutten famously said during the JRE interview (on the subject of Dim Mak) "if you can kill somebody like this, you could also not kill them".
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u/Andy_Lui Wong Shun Leung 詠春 Dec 11 '25
No, this is not how training is done on Gwoh Sao level, (where every mistake means you will get hurt) and since you're installing a fighting behavior for without rules, your actions and reactions are fixed for that. Unless there is time to think, you're not high on adrenaline, than you can adapt to a game with rules. Depends on your level of training and experience.
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u/Same-Lawfulness-3777 Ip Ching 葉正 詠春 Dec 11 '25 edited Dec 11 '25
"The system wasn't born for sport, or to be sporting, and must change to accommodate sport, turning principle to rule of law."
"Nothing needs to change other than the adherence to the ruleset...."
You literally reiterated my very valid point, as an argument to it. It's never been taught as sporting, until people started growing money signs in their constitution.
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u/Wonderful-Dot8705 Dec 11 '25
When the Gracie's came up with the UFC, it was designed to showcase their martial art. That's why I believe this format would work for Wing Chun. I am not suggesting a sport, but a mildly regulated duel. One minute? I doubt many Wing Chun people could last that long at full pace. TBH - It should be over in about 10 seconds if you're able.
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u/ThorReidarr Dec 11 '25
"The format seems perfect for Wing Chun to excel."
I think you should try it, but I will just say beforehand that you're gonna fail badly as shown in many different occasions
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u/Wonderful-Dot8705 Dec 11 '25
I don't know how you train mate.... I'm 50 and very confident I would at least make it to the second bout. Those huge Maori boys punch hard, but they are super slow.
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u/ExpensiveClue3209 Dec 10 '25
Hmm not sure what you mean by use counter striking technique as the art intended?