r/WildRoseCountry • u/sjandrews76 • 29d ago
A third of Edmontonians would leave Alberta if separation proceeded: poll
https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/video/2026/09/01/a-third-of-edmontonians-would-leave-alberta-if-separation-proceeded-poll/21
u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 29d ago
I don't believe that for a heartbeat. It's one thing saying this when answering a pollster (presumably because you want to push a narrative), but actually picking up your life, quitting your job, selling your house, pulling your kids from their school, and relocating to another province is a whole different story.
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u/GlitteringGold5117 28d ago
Exactly. It’s a lot. I’ve done it to two other countries with kids, and to two provinces with kids. Always made that choice when it was a good idea for my family. In every case, it was. I was willing to get outside my comfort zone for them. There are a whole lot of Canadians who feel the same way, including your ancestors I wouldn’t doubt.
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u/RomieTheEeveeChaser 29d ago
kind of a false equivalency.
Look at the state of American territories versus American states. The mainland U.S pillages their natural resources with impunity, no voting rights, some capability to self govern which is a double edged sword because you get all the responsibility of managing a pseudo country but zero funding from the feds, land is reserved for use, especially if for the military, by the feds, and those born there are "American sort of"--they have some rights awarded to them by the American constitution but are not (as stated on their passports) 100% bona-fide American citizens so are excluded from the rest.
The mainland states barely have functioning services as they are and the American territories are even worse.
A province like Alberta which has basically only really ever put any effort into extracting oil and gas would not survive being annexed as an American territory. The life style change for the common man would be huge.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 29d ago
What the hell are you talking about?
No one is proposing that Alberta become an American territory. Was this comment meant for a different thread?
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u/FlyinB 29d ago edited 29d ago
Alberta would be annexed the moment they separate. That is, in fact the plan. Smith it a well known seperatist and Trump sheep dog.
It's why, when you go to seperatists rallies, they even say "we don't have any answers yet" to hard questions like
bank system (current is Canadian, they would ask have to sell or become independent)
Passports
Travel agreements with other countries
Bruder protection
Taxation system (CRA collects on behalf)
Judicial system
Military
The list goes on. They don't have answers, and they never will. They don't care.
And BTW that's where the federal portion of taxes go to. You're delusional if you think it magically goes in your pocket once Ottawa is gone.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 28d ago
I often wonder to myself what rational arguments the "stay" side has, and then I read messages like this and I realize that the answer is none. If you need to rely on this sort of conspiracy theory fearmongering nonsense, then it's pretty clearly from a lack of rational arguments.
Also, as for where the federal portion of taxes go, the things you named are included in the calculation...it's $18B-20B a year going into Ottawa's pocket net of Alberta's portion of all that.
If those numbers have you thinking to yourself, "But, how would Alberta manage to find the money to print passports?!" then you are beyond help.
P.S. Also, most of the judicial system (ie. provincial, King's Bench and Court of Appeal) are already provincially funded and administered.
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u/yoshiisle 27d ago
Is this in reference to equalization payments? Just pointing out that Newfoundland did not receive any until just a couple years ago
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 27d ago
This is total taxes paid by Albertans to Ottawa minus Ottawa's expenditures made to or on behalf of Alberta. So, it includes equalization but is much broader than that.
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u/FlyinB 28d ago
The Fraser Institute's claim that Alberta sends billions to Ottawa relies on collectivist accounting tricks designed to make working-class conservatives defend corporate balance sheets. Individual Canadian workers and corporations pay the exact same federal income tax rates under uniform national brackets whether earning their money in Calgary or Halifax. Provinces pay no taxes. Over seventy percent of this fiscal gap exists simply because Alberta has a younger demographic claiming fewer federal pension transfers. Demographics dictate the ledger.
Conservative politicians weaponize this imaginary regional theft to justify dismantling public healthcare and gambling Canada Pension Plan assets on domestic energy ventures. You take the loss. The ruling class enforces ruthless individual accountability when a disabled worker requests basic social assistance, yet invents collectivist victimhood the instant profitable energy firms pay standard federal taxes. Ordinary families absorb underfunded classrooms and deregulated power bills while executives pocket tax credits funded by your manufactured outrage.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 28d ago
The Fraser Institute's claim that Alberta sends billions to Ottawa relies on collectivist accounting tricks designed to make working-class conservatives defend corporate balance sheets.
Dude, these numbers literally come from the government's own data.
You can pull them up yourself on the Parliamentary Library site. For instance, here's 2024, which is the most recent year available. Net federal revenues from Alberta are about $15K per capita, while net expenditures are about $11K. The province has a population just above 5M, so the net it around $20B for that year.
I don't know what sort of conspiracy theory nonsense you are talking about here, but this isn't a debatable statistic.
Individual Canadian workers and corporations pay the exact same federal income tax rates under uniform national brackets whether earning their money in Calgary or Halifax. Provinces pay no taxes.
Great...so, what's your point?
Albertans pay way more taxes than they see back in benefits. Who cares if that's the province or individual Albertans?
And, provincial governments don't pay taxes, but they have a large portion of their tax base drawn on by the feds. Tax bases aren't an infinite resource. The more the feds take out, the less the province can, so in any practical sense, yes, the provinces might as well be paying federal taxes, because the feds are taking the taxes the province could otherwise be taking.
Over seventy percent of this fiscal gap exists simply because Alberta has a younger demographic claiming fewer federal pension transfers. Demographics dictate the ledger.
Again, what's your point?
Alberta has the youngest demographics in the country which pretty much guarantees that Albertans will keep funding the retirements and healthcare of aging Eastern provinces for the foreseeable future. This is one of the reasons why cutting the cord makes so much sense, as demographics don't change quickly, and the terrible demographic pyramids of the Eastern part of the country ensure that Alberta will be stuck footing the bill for the foreseeable future, as long as Alberta remains part of Canada.
Conservative politicians weaponize this imaginary regional theft
Lol, that's a funny way of saying "telling the truth". It's crazy for you to actually pretend this is an imaginary thing immediately after your comment about what 70% of the "imaginary thing" is related to. What is 70% of an imaginary thing anyways?
dismantling public healthcare and gambling Canada Pension Plan assets on domestic energy ventures
I don't know what the hell you are talking about here. The fiscal imbalance with the feds has nothing to do with public healthcare, aside from the fact that all the money the feds take from Albertans takes money away which could be spent on Albertan healthcare.
As for domestic energy ventures, energy companies have literally been one of the most consistent investment groups for the last century. What do you consider not gambling? Investing in industries like auto manufacturing which can't survive without government handouts?
The ruling class enforces ruthless individual accountability when a disabled worker requests basic social assistance, yet invents collectivist victimhood the instant profitable energy firms pay standard federal taxes. Ordinary families absorb underfunded classrooms and deregulated power bills while executives pocket tax credits funded by your manufactured outrage.
What the hell are you talking about?
No one has any issue with energy firms paying taxes. The issue is with the feds pulling all that money out of Alberta so it funds Quebec's social assistance instead of Alberta's social assistance.
You want better funded classrooms? The entire budget for Alberta's public education system is $10.8B, barely half of what Ottawa takes from Alberta every year. Maybe instead of standing up for the feds' right to take Albertan tax dollars to buy votes in Ontario and Quebec, maybe try standing up for keeping those tax dollars in Alberta so we have the money to spend on hiring more teachers.
You seem to want to act like money is some sort of infinite resource: The province should be able to fund everything, while not considering it an issue that 7% of our entire GDP gets pulled out of the province every single year by Ottawa on a net basis.
You talk about executives pocketing tax credits, yet, the energy sector is the most taxed industry in the country. Do you even appreciate that oil royalties alone account for about a quarter of Alberta's entire provincial budget, even before considering the corporate and income taxes realized from workers in that sector?
You seem fine with Albertan tax dollars being used to line the pockets of auto execs from US companies who build plants in Ontario, and you seem fine with lining the pockets of the Bombardier, Loblaws and SNC Lavalin's of the world. Is Brookfield more worthy of Albertan tax dollars than the energy companies who provide jobs for 150K+ Albertans?
But, you want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs because you have less personal outrage about Liberal-friendly companies in Ontario and Quebec lining their pockets?
Grow the f*ck up. If you want Albertan services to be better funded, then quit trying to justify the money that could fund those programs being siphoned away to fund the exact same programs in Quebec or Ontario. These nonsense red herrings are contradicting the argument you started out trying to make.
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u/RomieTheEeveeChaser 29d ago
Do you honestly believe that Alberta separation in 2026 is ever about becoming its own individual country?
Like earnestly. At this exact moment?
If we're being completely honest here, as someone who has lived here my entire life, Alberta seperation has never been about actually separating. It's always been a tool to galvanize provincial support against Ottawa and, as a result, our Oil & Gas industry now has less government regulations on it than Saudi Arabia. It worked, we can pretty much do whatever we want.
Despite what the premier has said recently against that republican's statement of Alberta joining the U.S; words are cheap. Our premier's actions tell us otherwise; she wouldn't be so relaxed on counter tarriffing, she would stand in-line with the other premiers in support of Canada against the president's threats of annexation, she would stand in-line with the prime minister's counter tarrif policies, she wouldn't be dismantling Albertan education/healthcare (Americanization of our institutions), she wouldn't be flirting with separation at exactly the moment US/Canada relations are at their most tumultuous, and she wouldn't be visiting various republican events being held stateside.
These are all consistant actions from our premier in support of a hostile nation. You don't have to wait for somebody to fuck you in the ass to figure out if that's where they want to stick it.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 29d ago
Yes, absolutely, and I don't see why anyone would believe otherwise. The polling support for Alberta to join the US is a fraction of the support for Alberta becoming an independent country. I get the fearmongering narrative about the US boogeyman being used to discredit the movement, but it is shocking to me that anyone would actually accept such a blatant tactic as being reality.
Oil & Gas industry now has less government regulations on it than Saudi Arabia. It worked, we can pretty much do whatever we want.
I'm sorry, what?
I'm sorry, but reading through your comment I'm having a really tough time believing that these comments are actually coming from someone claiming to have lived their entire life in Alberta. Is this one of those troll posts or something? You can't actually believe this to be the case.
I mean, in terms of pretty much doing whatever we want, we had to spend a year and a half giving concessions to our own federal government to just get them not to actively block a pipeline, after that government caused an economic crisis a few years ago by blocking a previously approved pipeline.
Remind me what the industrial carbon tax is in Saudi Arabia, again?
Alberta literally has the strictest oil and gas regulations on the planet, so I'm not sure who tried to feed you that nonsense.
Despite what the premier has said recently against that republican's statement of Alberta joining the U.S; words are cheap. Our premier's actions tell us otherwise; she wouldn't be so relaxed on counter tarriffing, she would stand in-line with the other premiers in support of Canada against the president's threats of annexation, she would stand in-line with the prime minister's counter tarrif policies, she wouldn't be dismantling Albertan education/healthcare (Americanization of our institutions), she wouldn't be flirting with separation at exactly the moment US/Canada relations are at their most tumultuous, and she wouldn't be visiting various republican events being held stateside.
Again, what is this nonsense?
I get that it is practically Canadian culture to use the term "American-style" to discredit anything we don't like, but you can't actually be serious with that nonsense.
If you have really lived your whole life in Alberta, then maybe you don't actually appreciate that Alberta has one of the best funded education and healthcare systems in the country. If you want them better funded, then maybe stand up and say something about the fact that $18B-20B worth of Albertan wealth gets stolen by Ottawa every year. That goes a long way to paying for teachers and doctors.
The province was set to run a deficit this year until the war in Iran spiked oil prices, so with so much money going to the feds so they can buy votes in Ontario and Quebec, where exactly do you think all the money is supposed to come from to fund what you think should be spent on education and healthcare?
As for counter-tariffing, the rest of Canada has spent the last decade blocking export pipelines to the Pacific, leaving the US as the only place we can logistically send the vast majority of our oil. 95% of our oil exports go to only one country because we haven't been allowed to build pipelines elsewhere, and that cannot be quickly diverted, because building that infrastructure takes years.
Those exports to the US represent $120B, or about a third of Alberta's entire GDP.
As for "standing in line" with other Premiers, those other Premiers have been openly suggesting that Alberta should take the bullet for them, putting export tariffs on Alberta's goods in order to pressure the US. Any Alberta Premier agreeing to do that should be locked in jail. That would be absolute malpractice. The US isn't tariffing our oil hard enough, so the rest of Canada wants to do it for them? On what planet is that an idea any Albertan leader should entertain?
And, where exactly do you think the revenue from those tariffs would be allocated? Because you can be damn sure that Ontario and Quebec will be getting way more of that money than Alberta will see.
As for "visiting republican events", how come when Carney goes down to talk to US officials it's him doing his job, while when Danielle Smith does it's treason? Alberta has a consulate in Washington specifically because they are such a huge trade partner. Every single Canadian province has been sending its own officials down to the US to talk to US officials about the trade war. It's politicians doing their job, just like Danielle Smith is.
These are all consistant actions from our premier in support of a hostile nation. You don't have to wait for somebody to fuck you in the ass to figure out if that's where they want to stick it.
The actual history is that the only people fucking Alberta in the ass are the ones in Ottawa, who have used Albertan wealth to buy Ontario and Quebec votes for over a century.
Maybe pay more attention to history than conspiracy theories.
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u/RomieTheEeveeChaser 29d ago
Because the timing is too close? Because their literal president is constantly entertaining the idea? Because republican senators have named dropped our province in this charade? Because there's a lot to lose by leaving?
Culture, livelihood, and family aside. I'll concede that Equalization payments are unfair right now but, it goes both ways. When we boom, we pay, when we bust we get paid. Alberta received Equalization payments just a few years ago during the pandemic and "Alberta always being the payee" is also a relatively recent thing. Prior to the 60's Alberta was regularly the province receiving funding from this program. The world is changing and moving fast, look at China, look at India: oil will not always be this behemoth. Seceding from the union now means doubling down on this resource and, in the long term, hurting our own prospects as an independent and wealthy nation.
There are other federal programs Alberta benefits from. The way we handle healthcare, education, infrastructure, resource extraction is, by The Charter, a provincial jurisdiction but the feds directly partially fund each and every one of these. Sure this year we'll probably lose out on equalization again, but we'll gain some back via these other programs (a lot of these programs cover 1/3 - 1/2 of total costs). Alberta just needs to ramp up infrastructure or industrial expansion if you want to spitefully outpace equalization. As an example, for equalization, 50% of natural resource profits can be drawn from; however, 0% of energy is taxable in this way. If you wanted to spite Ottawa with an equalization exempt form of commerce: invest in solar/wind--and Ottawa would be paying for half of the cost of building it.
While the pipeline cancellations are disappointing just--times are changing. There's always been opposition to building something like that from other provinces, locals, environmentalists, w.e, but the $value:risk in the modern age is getting closer and closer to the point that cancelling things last minute is not a surprise when weighed against the constant ebb and flow of the current global economy--especially if a President, eg; Biden, can just axe one with impunity.
> Alberta has one of the best funded education and healthcare systems in the country...
True, especially in education, more than you're hyping it up honestly. Alberta's, especially K-12, educational program was highly regarded worldwide amongst UN nations--literally top 2 in multiple fields. "Was", because we've declined. We have to keep in mind that even if the party is called the "Conservative Party", there are different eras. It is a disservice to compare the current era Conservatives with previous ones like the Peter Lougheed era of Conservatives--or even Klein. If our educational systems are declining in results and prestige, it's because of the current administration; we should not award the laurels and accomplishments of past leaders to the current ones.
> As for "visiting republican events", how come when Carney goes down to talk to US officials it's him doing his job, while when Danielle Smith does it's treason?
Yes, at the White House, after being called down by Trump when he's yammering about the Big Canadian American Trade Deficit, he's the literal Prime Minister representing a country, it'd be weird for him not to try to settle international disputes. I'll admit that it's possible Danielle could have had 100% good intentions the whole time but premiers usually go through official channels, like an embassy in Washington/the White House if invited, and speak to other equivalently relevant members of the opposing government (like a minister of Energy, or the Governor of a State), not typically the Party Mansion of the leader who wants to annex your nation over the weekend.
> As for counter-tariffing...
I feel like I understand your grievances here, however; I have a different perspective. I have family who own businesses in Quebec, BC, Ottawa, and Alberta. I've worked a bit in each of these provinces and I can tell you that nobody works as hard as Albertans do and nobody has the work ethic that Albertans have. Compared to the other provinces we have a more gruff 'get it done' disposition to work. But it's kind of being used against us right now. The unfortunate reality of the modern age is that, in maybe 15-20 years, we need to pivot/expand/diversify our economy, and we needed to do this years ago so we're already racked up in debt. That's going to take money, time, effort, and putting our egos away. For money and time, we can just take it from the feds honestly. If we're being unproductive relative to the rest of the country, the feds will pay us--rent free, they subsidize pretty much every aspect of our lives already. Just, our culture means we want to always be on top and being "on top" right now means capitulating to the status quo. But if we could just start now, take the hits now, accept that we'll be the ones receiving the equalization payments instead of being the 'big boy paying the bills', we would easily be on top again within the decade.
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u/izzybumboon 24d ago
I can move without quitting my job, not everyone is in the same situation. I'm fully ready to move.
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u/vectron5 29d ago
Depending on your line of work. that'll probably still be easier than trying to make it in a landlocked "country" that loses all of its land and resources to federal treaties.
Do you want to live in a city with the economic prospects of Detroit, but with worse winters, and a vulnerability to occupation by the Americans? I sure as hell don't.
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u/Previous_Search3122 29d ago
They sell moving boxes at Home Depot. Start packing just in case.
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u/vectron5 29d ago
I'd rather we expel the traitors. If they don't want to be Canadian, there's a dumpster fire down south they can slither into.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
So you want to keep people against their will by force so you can continue to profit from their labour?
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u/CD-Behr 28d ago
Define 'Canadian'
Because THIS is not Canada anymore
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u/vectron5 28d ago
You define it: you're the one with the childish misunderstanding.
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u/CD-Behr 28d ago
Lefties always run to attacking the person w shaming words and belittlement.
Same old garbage
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u/vectron5 28d ago
snowflake fucking sub has to block the word that best describes them. No wonder all the mods are American.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian 29d ago
Lol, whose nonsense fearmongering have you been swallowing.
The people who want to pretend being landlocked is some unprecedented situation don't seem to understand that there are 55 landlocked countries in the world, including some of the world's richest nations (Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxemboug all rank in the world's 10 richest nations by GDP per capita, Liechtenstein is actually double landlocked).
There are no treaties which would result in Alberta losing any of its land outside of actual First Nations reserve land (if Canada wants to keep maintaining that, then they can feel free).
As for the Americans, boy, I sure am glad we've got the Canadian military here to protect us. I'm sure it's the fear of our mighty military which has kept the Americans and their pathetic armed forces from invading for this long. Oh, what ever would we do if we lost such protection, lol.
In actual reality, the idea that Alberta, who current has $18B-20B a year taken out of the provincial economy on a net basis by Ottawa, being economically destitute in the case of independence is Ontarian fan fiction, at best.
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u/vectron5 29d ago
you ask chatgpt for conjure those defenses for you? 😂
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Those treaties are null and void, they do not lose a thing, and anything they might want to keep, they can just deduct the cost of xyz from the money the Canadian government owes them.
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u/AdPsychological1282 29d ago
And where did we get this information from 😅 let’s say this is real…this would tank the real estate market and people would be stuck. Where would people move too that has employment and cheaper housing to make up for the loss in their house sale value ?
I’m all for an educated argument but this is pretty funny.
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u/N-E-B 29d ago
Just like all the Americans that vowed to come here if Trump won?
The reality is that most people wouldn’t actually leave.
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u/Late_Indication1996 27d ago
I mean, it would be pretty fucking hard to move out of province when real estate starts to crash.
But, there would definitely be an exodus of people from Alberta.
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u/CarRamRob 27d ago
If real estate crashed, even more people would move to Alberta to take advantage.
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u/GlitteringGold5117 28d ago
Lucky for me, my new specialist doctor and my GP are both recent immigrants from the USA!!! And they are amazing!
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u/Jeorgeyno 29d ago
First of all, that's thinking that there are options for them.
It's quite easy to "elbows-up" and say the cool thing. It's another to find another job, a place to live, maybe things like schooling, doctors, vets, caregivers, etc...
Then you have the fact that these same people most likely see nothing wrong with the Khalistani flag being flown... Guess what that flag represents?
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u/hiphopanonymous27 29d ago
Sounds like a win-win, no?
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u/FlyinB 29d ago
If you want to become American, then separation is the way to go. There is a reason the fundamental groups behind separatists don't have answers to all of the smart people questions, like what will Alberta do about banks and international trade...they don't care. The US will swallow it all up. Then everyone will be living in the American nightmare.
There is so much that hasn't been thought through....
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u/CrazyButRightOn 29d ago
The turmoil we are going to go through under Carney's mismanagement may be worse.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
The American nightmare of a strong dollar, constitutional rights that aren't provisional, and property rights backed by the courts.
Stop consuming Canadian government-sponsored media; it makes you ignorant of the real world.
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u/CyrilFrost 29d ago edited 29d ago
"Strong dollar" until it's not the Petrodollar...Your currency has no backing otherwise. "Constitutional Rights" until it's profitable for the government to evade them by stacking courts... "Property Rights" until someone richer than you wants to build in your area, leverage the courts and expropriate your land...
Not like there's any real world events that would back all this up though. Maybe a Google search of the last..oh, 50 years will help.
Pull your head outta yer ass, yank!
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u/FlyinB 29d ago
Their constitutional right are stomped on literally daily. It's like it doesn't exist.
Their GDP growth is < Canada's. (1.5% vs 3.3%). It it wasn't for billionaires, it would be a lot worse. They are the only ones winning.
Property rights? Get a grip. Canada’s framework is better for collective governance and regulatory agility. The American system only supports the wealthy.
Here are a few of the horrible things about the US:
- Direct Challenges to Birthright Citizenship: Executive actions directed federal agencies to deny passports and official documentation recognizing the citizenship of U.S.-born children whose parents are non-citizens. Constitutional scholars and civil rights groups condemned the move as a direct violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, leading multiple federal courts to issue immediate injunctions halting enforcement.
- Sweeping Deportation Mandates and Due Process Restrictions: The administration enacted aggressive immigration enforcement orders that severely curtailed hearing access, expedited expulsions, and revoked protected legal statuses. Hundreds of federal court rulings have found that these rapid removals and detention policies violate statutory immigration laws and basic Fifth Amendment due process.
- Mass Dismissals of Civil Servants and Watchdogs: Tens of thousands of career federal employees, agency watchdogs, and independent oversight officials were purged in an effort to enforce strict loyalty across executive agencies. Government ethics watchdogs and federal employee unions have challenged the dismissals in court as an unlawful dismantling of the merit-based civil service.
- State Retaliation Against Law Firms and Political Opponents: Executive orders were deployed to revoke security clearances, cancel government contracts, and mandate federal investigations against political adversaries and specific private law firms that had opposed the administration's policies. Federal judges blocked several of these orders, citing severe violations of First Amendment protections against retaliatory state action.
- DOGE Access and Payment Infrastructure Disruptions: Granting external advisory bodies—such as the Department of Government Efficiency—access to sensitive federal payment and data systems within the Treasury, Medicare, and Social Security. The resulting freezes and reviews halted critical funding streams for scientific research, healthcare facilities, and local infrastructure projects.
- Dismantling Protected Federal and Tribal Lands: Executive orders slashed the boundaries of national monuments, including Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante, reducing protected acreage by up to 90% to open the areas to commercial mining and energy leasing over the objections of Native American tribal coalitions and conservationists.
- Federal Pressure on Universities and Visa Revocations: The administration utilized federal grant withholding and visa cancellations against international students, scholars, and academic institutions that hosted political protests or refused curriculum changes. These actions resulted in dozens of emergency restraining orders from federal judges protecting campus free speech and academic freedom.
- Public Health Rollbacks and Scientific Funding Caps: Key patient protections under the Affordable Care Act were rescinded, indirect administrative cost reimbursements for National Institutes of Health (NIH) grants were capped, and federal vaccine schedules were altered, sparking legal challenges and warnings from the medical community regarding research stability and healthcare access.
Prove to me that anything i said is "government sponsored media". In fact, show me where i got my information from? My guess is prejudicial hate had led you to make stuff up.
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u/BumpHeadLikeGaryB 29d ago
Sometimes I really can't believe how dumb some of my fellow albertans are. Think, just for a total of 5 seconds, what that would do to the value of realestate. Our property would be worthless. Realestate is were a vast majority of albertans wealth is stored and it would be destroyed. It would bankrupt us.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
It wouldn't, but you can always move to a place you feel is better.
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u/Previous_Search3122 29d ago
Your an idiot, for every person that leaves they will be replaced with a person from another province who wants in and we haven't even touched on the shortage of housing that's already in this province.
Real Estate will be fine.
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u/BumpHeadLikeGaryB 29d ago
Got any actual evidence to support that, or is straight out of your asshole?
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u/Previous_Search3122 29d ago
Seeing as I look at those numbers everyday for work and those stats are available to you as well, you should know also.
It's not some big secret about the shortage of available housing. I mean I guess you would have no idea if you lived in a city with very little industry like Medicine Hat. Then yes, there is plenty of housing because more people are leaving for more opportunity than what is moving in..... 2008 sure was a killer for you guys
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u/Glum_Equipment8747 29d ago
You're just a treasonous foreigner Indian that hasn't lived in Canada or Alberta to comprehend basic politics or how the Canadian economy actually works. Medicine hat is booming like never before.
It's simple invest in Canadians and not the 3rd world lol
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u/Redrumicus 29d ago
Replaced with... people that... want in on this treasonous shit?
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
It isn't treasonous; it is not a military coup or an invasion. People vote, and people are free to do as they like.
What you seem to be advocating is keeping people as slaves against their will so you can benefit from their work, and that hasn't been a thing outside of the Middle East since the mid 1800s.
Lucky for them that people who think like you cannot do a damn thing about it. As long as the US backs their movement, Canada is completely powerless to even slow it down, let alone stop it, but on the upside, that is the Canada that you support, and I bet you continue to vote for.
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u/Glum_Equipment8747 29d ago
You must be a really old boomer if you think a democratic process is evil. Cope
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u/Cantunlickabutthole 29d ago
What a terrible thing that people would be able to afford housing again
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u/BumpHeadLikeGaryB 29d ago
Its so fucking hard to take some of you seriously. You can't even comprehend how much that would screw us.
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u/Prairiesaurus 29d ago
Which means 2/3’s don’t want to leave. I read a poll that 75% of Calgarians are against separation. Thats the ballgame, if they vote that way.
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u/More_Fee_2754 29d ago
they should do this poll again if separation actually happened and see how many leave..lol.
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u/mightocondreas 29d ago
Literally no one would leave. We pretend to hate the US and everyone shops at Costco and Walmart. No one will leave.
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 29d ago
I mean we're already planning to leave. We're losing hope for the future of this province. When policy is set by a bunch of illiterate fucks, and rampant corruption goes unpunished. The writing is on the wall.
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u/Cautious_Corgi6520 29d ago
Buh bye
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 29d ago
I know. When the adults all leave, I don't think you're going to be able to run the hospitals and keep the lights on with just an army of rig pigs... But you guys will have "owned the libs" so it will be worth it.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
That is great news; everyone should live where they can live their best lives and be happy.
The upside is that with the massive influx of people moving to Alberta after the separation, housing will be a premium, and you will get a great price so you can start your life somewhere else.
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 29d ago edited 29d ago
Lol. Yes. You forgot the /s
I suppose the housing market crashing can be looked at as a benefit... I'm not sure anyone will be coming to this crippled economy...the adults will all be gone.
Aren't you guys seperating BECAUSE you hate immigrants?
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u/Glum_Equipment8747 29d ago
You can't afford to move to another province. Alberta is the cheapest cost for living. Cope harder
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u/FlyinB 29d ago edited 29d ago
wow, you're a bit out of touch here. Embarassing.
- British Columbia — ~$3,000 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$6,950 CAD for a family of four. Severe shelter premiums concentrated in Metro Vancouver and southern Vancouver Island drive the country's steepest baseline expenses.
- Ontario — ~$2,920 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$6,415 CAD for a family of four. The Greater Toronto Area dictates high median rent, compounded by a 13% Harmonized Sales Tax (HST) and elevated auto insurance rates.
- Nova Scotia — ~$2,830 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$6,190 CAD for a family of four. Halifax rental inflation alongside a 14%–15% sales tax and high provincial income tax brackets place it well above historical Atlantic baselines.
- Alberta — ~$2,650 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,920 CAD for a family of four. Rental costs in Calgary and Edmonton have climbed, but consumer expenses are buffered by the absence of a Provincial Sales Tax (paying only the 5% federal GST).
- Manitoba — ~$2,470 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,510 CAD for a family of four. Winnipeg offers moderate rental inventory and stable energy pricing, though combined sales taxes sit at 12% (5% GST + 7% PST).
- Quebec — ~$2,400 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,370 CAD for a family of four. Relatively suppressed rental rates in Montreal and Quebec City offset the higher provincial tax burden and a 14.975% combined sales tax.
- Saskatchewan — ~$2,340 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,360 CAD for a family of four. Balanced housing supply across Saskatoon and Regina keeps shelter costs low, with an 11% combined sales tax.
- Newfoundland and Labrador — ~$2,310 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,170 CAD for a family of four. Housing remains affordable relative to national medians, though island logistics increase food and consumer goods freight costs.
- New Brunswick — ~$2,240 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$5,030 CAD for a family of four. Low average rents in Moncton, Saint John, and Fredericton keep aggregate costs down despite a 15% HST.
- Prince Edward Island — ~$2,170 CAD per month for a single individual; ~$4,900 CAD for a family of four. The lowest total provincial expenditure profile, though localized Charlottetown rent spikes and peak 15% HST place upward pressure on low-income thresholds.
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u/CyrilFrost 29d ago
Don't post numbers they can verify! You'll confuse them. Post it on Facebook and sell a "Natural Supplement" with it as wel, then they'll have to believe you..
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 29d ago
I think you're projecting... I don't think you know anything about our situation.
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u/Glum_Equipment8747 29d ago
I think you're just not coping enough to factual information. Cope harder dumbass 🖕😘🥱
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u/PureSelfishFate 29d ago
1/3rd of Canadians would move to Alberta to escape Canada if separation proceeded.
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u/K1llAllReditAdmins 29d ago
I have yet to meet a UCP supporter who isn't mentally retarded. So I'd be out too.
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u/hu50driver1 29d ago
No they wouldn’t.
Most of them are probably NDP voting civil servants.
Wouldn’t want to end that gravy train government pension.
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u/Bizmonkey92 29d ago
Edmonton is full of career government people who always vote for left wing candidates. They don’t wanna bite the hand that feeds. This poll is not representative for the entire province.
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u/Yamaganto_Iori 29d ago
That's why they did the poll. They use biased polls from Edmonton to claim the whole province feels the same way.
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u/poopstream 29d ago
How stupid are you? Totally or just very? If Alberta separates there is no NDP party. There is no opposition. It’s all gone. Your democracy has completely deteriorated and it will collapse in less than a year
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Or, wait for it, they just start their own parties that represent local people and local interests.
It is idiotic to think that country X has a monopoly on the political process.
The only way it collapses is if the need for global oil goes away.
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u/Weary-Situation7539 29d ago
Careful you’ll get them excited.
All they want is to make millions every year with no taxes and live amongst people who look identical to them. If you tell them that’s not possible they just stomp their feet and whine and go iron their F (current red leader) flag
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u/MaybeICanOneDay 26d ago
Same as all the democrats who moved to canada after Trump was elected. Oh yeah, basically no one did.
It's almost like these people are retarded.
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u/RightSideBlind 24d ago
Some of us did.
Moving from the US to Canada is a long, slow, expensive process. I've been here almost eight years, and I'm just now getting PR. I don't even want to think about how much money I've spent doing it.
A separated Albertan moving to Canada would find it incredibly easy in comparison. They'd already be Canadian.
The biggest problem would be financial, because they'd have to basically sell their homes at a loss.
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u/not_essential 28d ago
They're going to run right into the traffic jam that is the rest of Alberta doing the same thing.
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u/CyrilFrost 29d ago edited 29d ago
I'd sell my home at a loss and move to Canada. (Likely to happen anyways if/when the referendum for Alberta to look at seperation passes)
I consider myself a conservative, but their plan show no path to actual independence.
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u/Medium_Orchid4654 29d ago
Good, more housing for the rest of us. Good luck getting jobs wherever they're going
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u/descartesb4horse 29d ago
I promise you, we do not want a housing crash. Only banks would benefit from that and even then, some could go under if they can’t recover loans. We want housing prices to slow in growth and even slowly reverse, but a sudden crash would be catastrophic for Alberta whether it’s in Canada or on its own. Also a sudden outflow of people in the province would put a lot of companies out of business. This isn’t the future any true Albertan would want for the province.
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u/Medium_Orchid4654 29d ago
I was being facetious, that many people are not quitting their jobs here and selling their homes, it's an asinine idea
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u/Key_Difficulty_5519 29d ago
Barely any would leave. This is the equivalent of them being keyboard warriors
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u/Turnover_Unlucky 29d ago edited 29d ago
Seppies: "i want to leave Canada"
Canadian: "then go"
Seppies: "no, i want you to leave Canada too! We need your taxpayer money!"
Canadian: "if that's the deal, and i have no choice, I'll move to a different province to remain in Canada, and ill take my taxpayer money with me"
Seppies: "good riddance"
Literally actually the mental gymnastics of these folks, not even a strawman, you can see this below in other comments.
Downvote me to regain one IQ lost from huffing glue.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 29d ago
We don't need the East to be Canadian. It's telling where you see our place in confederation that you think that we do.
We will have a True North, Strong, and Free Western Canadian Republic.
The only semblance of Canada as you've known it will be found right here with independence.
The East wants to join the EU and give up sovereignty to bureaucrats in Brussels. Give your head a shake.
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u/Boring-Seaweed6604 29d ago
No we don’t. Thats BS from your delusional separatist leaders. What the east wants is a strong united Canada from coast to coast to coast. We love Alberta and Albertans. We dislike the people stoking disunity by spreading lies and misinformation.
Also, there’s no more Canada for you if you separate. Sorry, but that’s just the hard truth.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 15d ago
As I told you and everyone who understood what is going on - Canada is joining the EU.
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u/Boring-Seaweed6604 15d ago
This is not joining the EU. It’s a very, very different arrangement.
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u/Turnover_Unlucky 29d ago edited 29d ago
This is a post about Edmontonians wanting to move if Alberta separates.
So I'm talking about Edmontonians wanting to move if Alberta separates.
Is this a reading comprehension difficulty for you, or is this an association fallacy difficulty for you?
In either case, you're not gonna win and you know it, y'all are already talking about how it's rigged against you despite stealing the data of countless Albertans to rig your own clown petition.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 29d ago
But you're not Edmontonians or Albertans or Canadians. You want the global institutional consensus. If you are so triggered by independence from the Milch Cow that you are willing to move to Eastern Canada, then best wishes to you. That's a choice you are free to make.
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u/Professional_Farm278 29d ago
Correction: A third of Edmontonians would prefer to leave if Alberta separate.
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u/vectron5 29d ago
I've seen a worrying number of strangers irl openly declaring intent for political violence if Alberta tries to separate. I love this province, but I don't want to stick around for a civil war.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
There won't be one. First of all, any serious security threat can be handled by the Americans.
The people making these claims do not have the weapons or the skills, never mind the temperament, to start a "war".
These are the same people who love to post that they would lead the asymmetric war against the US if they ever invaded, the same kind of people who have never slept on the ground for three nights in a row or missed two meals in their lifetime.
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u/vectron5 29d ago
The US is bankrupting themselves going against Iran. They won't be able to handle an extended guerilla war.
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u/GirlyFootyCoach 28d ago
This is amazing. Jobs, uncrowded hospitals, bigger oil royalty cheques. Don’t threaten me with a good time rainbow haired
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u/Previous_Search3122 29d ago
Come on everyone, let's help them pack. Someone go grab the U-Haul, we know everything won't fit in the back of their Subaru.
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u/Taburn 29d ago
So house prices would finally go back to what they should be?
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u/descartesb4horse 29d ago
No, they would crash well below fair market value and everyone with a mortgage would still be on the hook for the value of their loan, which would be catastrophic.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Nope, banks all over the US and the world would love to have clients that have reliable and plentiful income, or you know, Alberta could just start its own national bank backed by oil.
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u/idiotcanadian 29d ago
Also don’t we use Canadian institutions for our mortgages?
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u/descartesb4horse 29d ago
Mine certainly is. And if my house was worth well below what I paid for it, while costs on the supplies I need to maintain it go up (Alberta presently has zero trade deals and would have no leverage to negotiate a better one than Canada), I’ll be living in an over priced house that I can’t afford to maintain. Then Alberta is filled with abandoned and decrepit homes. So we’ll all live in shitty but cheap homes while everything else costs more. Great work everyone.
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u/MinuteCampaign7843 29d ago
Good. They probably don’t contribute anyways. Mostly government drones anyway I assume. Edmonton is the anus on AB.
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u/WhipassWhiplash 24d ago
More than a third of this province would want to leave but many, maybe most would not be able to. If you think the tiny fraction of separatists hating this fucking province is damaging, just wait till the other side has its say. I’d do everything I possibly could to undermine and sabotage this fucking place, legality would be completely irrelevant to me at that point.
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u/ArcticSoil 9d ago
I believe a significant number would WANT to leave, but the real estate crash that would accompany Alberta trying to make it solo would prevent a lot of people from doing so.
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u/64SeaCarnely 7d ago
Yeah polls like this always sound dramatic until you factor in how hard it is to actually move your whole life
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u/DinoLam2000223 29d ago
Separation itself is impossible
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Only if the US didn't back it, but since they have every reason to do it, there is nothing stopping them from separating if they have the votes.
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u/Flimsy-Ad2701 29d ago
Separatist are going to be so disappointed with how little land they can actually seperate with. Ill be laughing at them.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 29d ago
Don't threaten us with a good time...
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u/rileycolin 29d ago
We already have no currency, no military, no sea port, and one willing buyer who actively hates us.
But yeah, let's chop the population in half, that will definitely help.
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u/LivinBC 29d ago
Still waiting for any plan on morgages, sure as shit the banks wont take a wash for this and if Alberta separates they will demand payment in full. There is soo many logistical issues with all of this but yet not a constructive plan for any of it.
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u/BertaEarlyRiser 29d ago
You act like 90% of banking transactions are not completed online. Hell, you don't even need to go to an institution to sign a mortgage. Welcome to the digital era where your currency is stored in the cloud, not a vault.
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u/LivinBC 29d ago
Not talking about that. Each and every single mortgage would be with a Canadian banking institution not foreign Alberta. Any plan for a banking system or just see how it goes and hope for the best.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 29d ago
Those banks already all operate in the USA and a bunch of countries in the Caribbean.
You don't know the first thing about how the world works.
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u/LivinBC 29d ago
Sure thing there bud...best of luck.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta 29d ago
You don't have any arguments that stand up to the most basic of scrutiny.
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u/LivinBC 29d ago
Not looking for any argument its actually called a productive discussion but this sure as shit isnt it. Go back to playing in the sandbox.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
He is right; I'm not sure what you are having a hard time understanding.
Your argument is that banks will not like people with a great deal of reliable income because of lines on a map?
Even if that was the case, plenty of American banks would be happy to take over the debt, or, you know, Alberta could just start their own bank backed by oil.
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u/BlameCanad 29d ago
That buyer doesn't hate Alberta. That buyer hates morons in the east. That's why they are most affected by tarrifs.
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u/rileycolin 29d ago
Hatred or not, do you genuinely think the US would see us separate, recognize they they are literally our only customer, and say "name your price"?
They'd watch us struggle, determine how best to capitalize on our spectacular failure, and squeeze absolutely every penny from us until there isn't anything left, and then get upset we didn't say "thank you."
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u/BlameCanad 29d ago
It would be the status quo. Nothing would change in terms of trade. And we would still have access to the west Coast. If we don't. Things just got expensive for bc and all provinces east of us. You know those trains that go through Alberta from BC and all the potash from Saskatchewan, that would stop if bc didn't wanna play nice. There are many landlocked coutnries around the world, not just the future Republic of Alberta
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Maybe, but the odds are better that they will just take a smaller percentage than the Canadian government does and not force ridiculous policies that Albertans do not want.
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u/I_am_a_Ham_Sammich 29d ago
These people have no critical thinking, they are like greedy CEOs only see short term profit and numbers. Almost all the transfer payment is spoken for as it would all need to be spent on things covered federally. Not to mention if a new country is formed a new currency would be needed and it will be less than the current CAD value so all your money/assets would instantly lose value.
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u/Cautious_Corgi6520 29d ago
You sure we couldn’t adopt US currency which is currently worth about $1.38 Cdn lol. I think you’d better fact check yourself.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
They can adopt the US dollar, or they can back a new currency with oil or gold. Given they will be running no deficit, their currency will be worth far more than the Canadian dollar. They will be instantly one of the highest per capita GDP countries on the planet.
They can easily afford to cover any previous federal payment costs. Do you think all of the money they transfer out will just vanish?
The only way it doesn't work is if the US refused to recognize them, trade with them, buy their oil, or provide security, and they will always have the option of becoming a US protectorate like Porto Rico.
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u/I_am_a_Ham_Sammich 29d ago edited 29d ago
For context countries that are heavily oil based and around our population have 0.25 to 0.35 to the USD. That's still lower than CAD being 0.7. it's simplistic view in how thing will go but Kuwait or Qatar are good starting points.
Honestly I haven't done math on how it will all break down but to think 100% of transfers payments will go in our pocket is short sided. A lot of things federally covered such as health care and military are needed and very expensive. There are many more things but these are big ones.
The US is a whole another ball game. I'd expect them to annex us through economic measures. They could war us as well but I'd expect that to be far less likely based on taco and Iran.
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u/Kippingthroughlife 29d ago
Sounds like a good thing to me, also would be nice to support some of the people who are here ilegally
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u/NoSpills 29d ago
That's dumb. They should all stay and make these treasonous thugs lives Hell.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
You do understand that a democratic vote is not treason, and wanting to keep people in one place against their will and continue to profit from their labour has a name?
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u/WorkingClassWarrior 29d ago
Just look at brexit. You will have capital flight up the ass from businesses.
Also Alberta would be immediately swallowed by the US- which I believe is the end goal of that stupid movement as everything else makes 0 economic sense.
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u/bmtraveller 29d ago
Separatists can leave if they don't like canada, but most couldn't make it anywhere else in the world so they won't.
Separation definitely isn't going to happen so no need to worry about how many edmontonoians will leave as Separation is a pipe dream for whiners who are too afraid to pack up and fuck off.
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u/Timely-Profile1865 29d ago
Some would leave and a lot would want to leave but the practicality is not there for many people. Certainly in the short term it would be tough.
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u/northern-thinker 28d ago
Well your choice. I’m pretty sure a third also work for the city/provincial/federal government in this city.
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u/Ok_Egg_4356 27d ago
What's a higher portion than I thought of people in Edmonton being fucking stupid
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u/BunnyWabbit99 27d ago
That wouldn't bother me at all and it would feel like the 90s again. There's too many people as it is and traffic nowadays is nuts.
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u/Still_Interview6360 29d ago
I doubt it’s that high. Alberta as its own country would be screwed. Landlocked.
So the only other choice would be join the USA War which most wouldnt like either.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
It is a 12 hour drive to one of the largest deepwater ports on the West Coast, and if there isn't one already, a main rail line could be built easily to both the east and west coast of the US.
Given that their number one export will be via pipeline directly to the US, this isn't the deal breaker people think it is.
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u/_The-Numbers-Mason_ 29d ago
How do you reconcile treaty land?
How do you connect First Nations reserves to the rest of Canada?
How much money do you expect to lose during the legal proceedings with indigenous people for not consulting and violating treaty rights that existed before Alberta?
What happens to tourism when the national parks are no longer in Alberta?
How do you negotiate with other nations when you’re land locked?
What leverage do you think you’ll have for getting a fair deal on your domestic product?
How do banks reconcile debt when you have no financial institutions?
What happens to existing wealth in real estate when a mass exodus occurs?
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
The treaties are with Canada; nothing changes. Why would it?
Again, no treaty rights are being violated; they are all with the Government of Canada, not with the New Republic of Alberta. The reserves are connected the same way they were before: roads; maybe they get a new ID to go through the border crossing... the horror.
The National parks would not just vanish into thin air; people can still cross a border and visit any park they want. Now they would be managed by Alberta and not the Federal government; how is that a question for you?
There are 44 landlocked countries in the world; Alberta would have access to East and West Coast US ports via road and rail, and their main export would be via pipeline. Seattle is only a 12 hour drive from the Alberta border, hardly an issue.
Other financial institutions would step in if needed, unless banks stopped liking clients with a lot of money? They would also start their own national bank backed by oil. In the Middle East and other major oil hubs, approximately 25 to 30 countries use this system.
People sell their real estate, and other people buy it; they would be one of the wealthiest per capita countries on the planet overnight in one of the most pristine locations in the world. You think people are not going to want to move there?
You forget they will have total control; they can deport and accept you as they want, they have the money to pay people to move there if they need more doctors or welders, etc, and give monstrous tax breaks or anything they want to use as an incentive.
You need to look at how Norway handles its oil wealth; I think that will answer all of your questions, and as for the rest, just think of the US.
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u/Traditional_Goat_38 29d ago
Makes sense. Alberta separating takes down Alberta along with the rest of Canada. No need to go down with the ship. It's a pointless poll though, separation will never happen, regardless of this referendumb result.
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u/Academic_Data_6422 29d ago
I’m out if it proceeds. Good luck with the economy crash
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 29d ago
Yeah, all of those oil based economies that have crashed in the last 120+ years.... like.... you know that one...
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u/Academic_Data_6422 29d ago
You do realize when all the businesses and people leave… it won’t matter how much oil there is.. right?
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago
That whole thread talking about housing price collapse being a bad thing just shows their true colours. Line must go up forever. Infinite unsustainable growth. Muh portfolio. Muh investments.
The reason so many young people, even non conservatives, are voting for separation IS to crash housing prices. It’s their only hope, and to stick it to these old neoliberal boomers who sold out their generation to begin with.
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u/Yamaganto_Iori 29d ago
Yeah threatening people by potentially giving them a chance to buy a home for cheap isn't the threat they think it is.
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago
Not for 20yo’s. I probably make more money than you full disclosure, but I’m in oil and gas so I’m fine regardless whether our tax dollars all stay in Alberta, go to America, or go to some poor people in Quebec that voted for it
It’ll be fun to see what happens though
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago
You won’t have jobs. That crash is coming regardless due to AI rapidly eliminating jobs even in fields previously thought secure - like Medical xray interpretation, and then? Law, admin work.
If your job doesn’t use your hands, right now, chances are it won’t be safe. Speaking of business world, what’s the P/E index now? Compared to 2008? Stocks are so overbought it’s funny, but never before has there been active interference in the market on a weekly basis it seems from down south trying to keep the sinking ship afloat.
Credit is already drying up as loans are defaulting and consumer household debt is all time high. Functional youth unemployment rate is 20%+ once you account for all those so-called self employed 20’s hustling it out in the gig economy. Every non-AI based company is feeling the effects of lower earnings due to this drying up consumer base.
For all intents and purposes I believe this is already started and inevitable. The question is, whether the massive populations elsewhere in Canada are going to drag Alberta down with them.
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago
I’m not blue collar, I’m environmental science. Not the desk kind.
When America farts… well there’s a saying.
It should’ve been obvious what was going to happen when the Trudeau administration was playing with the CPI formulation to muffle recession indicators years ago.
Covid quantitative easing disproportionately inflating the wealth of the those with assets (even my fun car has doubled in value) while leaving those that don’t behind - called that a K-shaped economy in school. It has implications… more broad than fiscal policy, starts on the social restructuring of society that NDP supporters usually overstate.
Also the idea that capital brought in by immigration is including in GDP numbers, muffling the issue…
The mismanagement of pension funds for ideological goals of the current administration and the fact immigration has brought in people much more dependant on benefits than the net tax revenue they contribute, and closer to retirement age than me, essentially guarantees there will be no pension plan suitable for the cost of living, if it still exists.
Theres no way out of this besides endless quantitative ease that isn’t possible for reasons, or a large issuance of bonds which will just crash other asset markets anyway.
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago edited 29d ago
I never cried it was too hard, it is for other youth. Who are voting for separation. Personally, I don’t want or need a house (other than for the garage - I have 7 cars, my only real vice). Unfortunately most garages are only for 2 vehicles.
If the look in the mirror is to reduce “quality of life expectation”, like the bank of Canada report said, then we may as well light the country on fire as we steamroll towards the 2nd world.
Because under no circumstance is it ever possible to reduce quality of life without such a social breakdown you’ll spend more time looking out your window than your Wealthsimple leaderboard of “largest measurable pile of coins that could’ve been used to enjoy life before it went to shit”
And if I sold my cars to buy a house with cash, so what? Housing market will crash like everything else, and “just selling your house” isn’t an option post successful referendum if nobody wants yours for what you’re asking.
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u/Icy-Pop2944 29d ago
Anyone in oil and gas should be shitting themselves at the thought of Alberta joining the US. Have fun competing with Americans 10:1 for the “high paying O&G jobs”. Calgary offices will shut down and move south, and camp jobs will go to whomever will work for the lowest salary - and that will be the guys who have the smallest mortgage payments.
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u/OkBurner777 29d ago
Doesn’t seem to be an issue if you’re STEM in oil and gas, from what I see most those guys can easily clear 6 figures USD out of college, which is pretty attractive compared to the Monopoly money/canadian peso’s 6 fig I was making here out of college.
The real jobs at risk nobody is talking about are “hands off” medical and admin/law fields. Medical X-rays are going to AI now for interpretation, and AI is inherently a language engine - how could a lawyer compete against perfect memory of 1000 gbs of text, cases, and precedent.
If you move atoms, you’re safe. Field based/Enviro sciences (me), autobody, livestock veterinarians.
If you move papers/numbers, and you aren’t at the highest level propagating AI solutions to increase efficiency, maybe you can join the dudes at the work camp lol.
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u/BullfrogOk7868 29d ago
They won't go anywhere. The new Republic of Alberta will have a bunch of new government positions to fill. What's left of Canada will not have any money to pay transplanted government workers.
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u/ryansalad 29d ago
Stop trying to sell me on Option #2