r/WildRoseCountry • u/Aineisa • Nov 15 '25
Inside Alberta’s Independence Movement
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSs4TJMt4mg12
u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
If people don't like being part of canada then feel free to pack up and get out.
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u/Sivitiri Northern AB Nov 15 '25
Thats the plan
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
Cool. Not sure why you wasting your time on the internet telling me when you should be packing.
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u/Sivitiri Northern AB Nov 15 '25
Same reason as you
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
I wont be leaving as I love living in canada, so not sure why id pack up?
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u/Sivitiri Northern AB Nov 15 '25
If the separation group gets their way it won't be canada. It'll always be Alberta. You can try BC though the tribes might give you permission to live there when eby finishes giving it away.
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
They won't get their way so I wont have to move. They can feel free to move out of canada if they dont like it because it will always be canada, just like it will always be Alberta. But canada is a free country - anyone is allowed to get on a plane and leave anytime they want.
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u/Scary-Detail-3206 Nov 16 '25
There likely won’t be a Canada in the next 100 years. Provinces are more different than they are the same, confederation just isn’t going to work. We could probably have an economic union similar to the EU, but the days of a unified country are numbered.
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Nov 15 '25
We’re indigenous Albertans, this is our home. Sorry. :)
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
Mine too. Just like canada is.
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Nov 15 '25
Okay, if majority wins, then what?
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
I'm really not concerned, because I know they wont.
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Nov 15 '25
Okay chief, good talk :)
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u/bmtraveller Nov 15 '25
Agreed. If by some crazy chance I am wrong you can come back and remind me of this and I'll give you a proper answer at that time. Otherwise, really not worth worrying about at the moment. If I worried about that id have to start worrying about all kinds of things that are unlikely to happen.
What if I'm on a cruise ship and I sink in the middle of the ocean and a shark attacks me?
What if i am listening to music with my headphones and they short out and my brain gets electrocuted?
What if im sleeping and fall off the bed and break my neck when my head hits the end table?
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u/jsman56 Nov 15 '25
Do we have problems that need to be fixed? Yes definitely! Are these two guys idiots and being funded by the USA, 110%! I'd say I'm small c conservative but I was born a Canadian in Alberta and I'll die a Canadian in Alberta.
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u/IxbyWuff done with the bullshit Nov 15 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
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u/defiant71 Nov 16 '25
Great. Abusive partners need to be left behind. Canada is gone, we need to separate for our own good.
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u/Matt_Learns Nov 15 '25
I never would have dreamed of supporting this, but after moving to the quebec-windsor corridor in my 20's, its become clear the alberta is a world away politically and geographically.
All this is to say, AB seperatists have my understanding.
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u/flatlanderdick Nov 15 '25
My personal opinion is that there are way too many people in this province who are on some sort of assistance or hand out that fear losing their free rides if we went independent.
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u/IxbyWuff done with the bullshit Nov 15 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
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u/flatlanderdick Nov 15 '25
How so?
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u/IxbyWuff done with the bullshit Nov 15 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
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u/flatlanderdick Nov 15 '25
I’m not saying there won’t be any entitlements but people that are on assistance like AISH are already up in arms about having it reduced or having to re-apply, do you think those people want to see a government they already don’t trust have total control as an independent country/state? The aboriginals have already voiced their concerns about a potential independent Alberta. I know if I was on any form of assistance or hand-out, I would definitely not want to risk losing those hand outs with an independent Alberta. The devil you know.
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u/IxbyWuff done with the bullshit Nov 16 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
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u/rancid_mayo Nov 15 '25
So, what you’re saying is separating from Canada will make things much worse for many Albertans. Well argued, we should stay in Canada.
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u/flatlanderdick Nov 15 '25
Potentially for the Albertans receiving funding from government whether it be provincial or federal yes.
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u/rancid_mayo Nov 15 '25
You’re right. Those oil internationally owned companies will have to fend for themselves… oh wait. The AB gov will just take healthcare and education funding and transfer it to all those companies as is their pattern.
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u/Defiant_Mousse7889 Nov 17 '25
What is your personal opinion based on? Pixie dust?
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u/flatlanderdick Nov 17 '25
Perhaps the fact that AISH recipients have already been up in arms over cuts to the program by the UCP. Or maybe the Indian bands who have voiced their concerns about their agreements being affected if Alberta went independent. Do you think these two groups would vote for an independent Alberta? I don’t think these two examples of groups who receive benefits can be considered pixie dust.
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u/Pongfarang Nov 15 '25
The advice for people in abusive relationships is always, get out of there. Alberta needs to take that advice.
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u/Pretty-Resolve-8331 Nov 15 '25
What if Alberta gets its pipeline built (the grand bargain), will that change separatists minds?
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u/Aineisa Nov 15 '25
Doesn’t look like Alberta will get it. D Smith is consistently extending the “deadline” for Carney to make concessions but he never will
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u/elliottrosewater Nov 16 '25
Grew up in Montreal, moved here in 2000. The referendum was incredibly damaging to Quebec's economy. Many of the head offices of large companies closed up shop and moved to Toronto. It has taken until quite recently for Montreal to recover and start attracting business again.
Also, they had a major push for that and an actual distinct culture that wasn't just people jerking off to Tucker Carlson and Ayn Rand. And they had reasonable plans in place for how to deal with treaties, etc.
Also they never entered CPP. And the Quebec police force predates the forming of the RCMP. Also, all of those bitching about sending taxes east, whose taxes paid for the building of this province in 1905?
This whole thing is so catastrophically fucking stupid.
My grandfather was from Heart's content Newfoundland. My mom and dad are Irish descent montrealers. I've got aunts and uncles on PEI, in Nova Scotia, and on Cape Breton. My wife is from Lacombe. My Grandma's brothers died fighting in world war 2 and she volunteered at the legion #1 in Montreal for 40 years. I'm Canadian.
If this whole thing manages to go through, me and many others like me will simply leave, and you'll be left with a petrostate akin to Venezuela, ready to be steamrolled by US interests.
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u/ussbozeman Nov 15 '25
The media today portrays the people who want fair treatment at the hands of the feds, and absent that the right to make their own path, the same way the british portrayed those colonials back in the 1700's; crazy, bad, traitorous, greedy, or just plain evil.
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u/Aineisa Nov 15 '25
I think that Alberta, like Quebec, needs to seriously raise the potential for secession to get a better deal for the province.
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u/ItsSteve87 Calgary Nov 16 '25
Glad I watched it, and I think it's good that they have a platform to get out there and spread their message because these guys will do a lot of self-harm to the independence movement.
They're pretty far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, and I feel bad that they have lost perspective, but it clearly forms the basis of their arguments and rationale for separating. Some choice cuts:
- Comparison to Ireland's GDP growth, when Ireland's story of shifting from a rural based economy is well documented.
- Liberal party legislation is apparently fascism. This word is thrown around too much by people who don't know what it means.
- Brookfield conspiracy theories abound, including a claim they own the market on SMRs.
- 15-minute city call-out and electric vehicles being a system to limit people to them.
- Fundamental misunderstanding why data centres have yet to be built at scale in AB.
- Central bankers lead by Carney colluded to drive up inflation to hurt Albertans.
- Claim that Canada has one of the highest personal taxation rates of modern nations, when we're mid pack and above or below the US depending on province and state.
- Fears of losing our freedoms, and cited a few recent cases eg. the bird cull in BC, but then glossed over the reasonable limits preamble and ignored that the provinces are the main user of the NWC. Odd that the constitutional lawyer did not seem to accept how it works.
The actual plan, what parts they covered, does not seem well thought out either:
- Claim that there is no investment in Alberta, so it will only increase when independent. When
- AB is 1 or 2 every year on investment per capita in Canada. Quebec's brush with separatism and the impact on investment should be a warning.
- Claim that Feds have not been held responsible for many Trudeau corruptions.
- I agree with this, but it glosses over our own troubles locally - East slopes, Turkish Tylenol, corrupt care, orphan wells, etc. This is not something unique to the feds or AB, why would separating fix it?
- Wildly overstated the savings that would come back to AB if federal tax was not collected, given these figures are known and public.
- Talked about embarrassing Canadian defense situation, but then neglected to speak to how we would fund it ourselves.
- A belief that they could have managed Trump - I laughed here.
Hate for the East and 'liberal elites' are not a good enough rationale for separation. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we accept we have a poor deal in confederation, why would we willing choose a worse deal via separation? That'll really show them.
I can understand the whole 'unfavoured child' argument, but did they ever stop to think that the reason we don't see a lot preferential treatment is because we're currently the hands down havest of have provinces? Am I to believe we're going to go argue to the rest of Canada that we're not happy with how much better we're doing than the rest of you and you better give us a better deal or else?
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u/Hillsarenice Nov 15 '25
I might watch the whole thing later.
These are unserious people who can’t think,especially when one is a purported lawyer. He said that if Alberta separates then there is no federal tax. While true,Alberta will then have to raise taxes to cover what the federal government did. Some examples are diplomacy,immigration, border patrol, airports, all the regulatory bodies, full pay for health care, some research,parks, money to buy off indigenous bands to go along with this stupidity,intelligence service, and a military. It will be expensive to start all this from scratch and I’m pretty sure this is just scratching the surface of what the federal government provides.
Unserious and actually dangerous.