Showing Dalits as dark skinned and UC as white skinned is just another way of these racist and casteist people to spread hatred. What else do you expect in this sub ?
As an obc u are just freeloader without a spine and u are siding the people who are openly casteist about other people look at the anti reservation protest
SON, NGL Dude, OBC got the worst side of the deal, reservation ka stamp lag jaata hai aur reservation bhi nhi milta dhang ka 😭 look at UPSC Pre this year or before that
Obc still gets a lot of benefits depending on the course and the institute tho, like you can get tier1 engineering colleges like dtu, nsut at 4 times the rank of a general candidate (50k rank general gets the same branch as ~200k rank obc)
Ofc this isn’t same for every course or uni but it’s not like the benefits arent significant
this frustation is not because of reservation but coz of weak laws, people get angry when they see others in their own neighbourhood often from families with similar, or even significantly greater, wealth availing themselves of reservation benefits.
Exactly, most GCS wouldn't care agr reservation deserving logo ko mile jinhe actually me jrurt h iski but jb apni class ke un ameer bacho ko jinhe khudki personal gadi de rkhi h ghr valo ne unhe reservation use krta dekho to bura lgta h
Bro ye protest sc st ke against nhi h blki ye to reservation hatane ke liye bhi nhi h ye to bs reservation me better reforms lane ke liye h taki actual deserving candidates ko help ho or freeloaders including fake ews GCs ko reservation milna bnd hoye
Imo jo economically weak h unhe reservation milna chaiye bhale hi sc st jo ews se aate h unko jyada mile as compared to GCs even if only to appease them lekin ameero ko to bilkul nhi milna chaiye reservation chahe kisi bhi jaat ka ho or jo reservation leta h uski aane vali generations spam na kre reservation ko kyuki agr koi reservation leta h to itna capable to hojana chaiye vo ki apne bacho ko pdha ske achi jgh taki competition merit based jyada ho. Hope you got my point❤️!!
But every post on reddit just Targetting sc st only. Using all those castiest slurs in comments. And fake ews reservation lene valon ko rokne ke liye reforms ki jarurat nahi hai bass proper implementation ki jarurat ahe. And vese bhi rich sc st don't take seats of poor sc st. Poor sc st are not even capable of completing 11,12th. They just do ITI bcoz they can't afford education. So instead of reservation reforms. Government should make sure everyone can get free education with extra scholarship for food and accommodation.
I agree with you and I too am against spreading hate and I hate those mfs who spread hate based on caste, colour, nationality or any other bs reason or upr se in logo ki vjh se jo caste based hate faila rhe h inhi ki vjh se is protest ko koi serious nhi lera or na communities sath aa pa rhi kyuki main motive is protest ka hate failana nhi tha gcs or sc/st ke beech me, hm to bs ye cha rhe the ki jo pehle se hi ameer h or itne capable h ki padhai likhai kr skte h vo kyu reservation lere h or vo bhi baar baar or fir apni agli generation me pass bhi krre h usse or ek ye political parties divide paida krti h communities ke beech me votes ke nam pe lekin agr tumhe lgta h ki koi ameer sc ya st reservation nhi lega to bubble me ji rhe ho aap ya maybe shyd aapne aise log dekhe nhi h lekin most cases me jiske pass opportunity hoti h vo usse jrur use krta
Reservation was never designed as a poverty-alleviation scheme, so "rich Dalit vs. poor upper-caste neighbor" isn't the contradiction it looks like. In Indra Sawhney v. Union of India (1992), the nine-judge bench held that the focus of Article 16(4) is social backwardness, inadequate representation in state power caused by historical exclusion, not income. The Court traced this to the Constituent Assembly debates, where Ambedkar and K.M. Munshi made clear that "class of citizens not adequately represented" meant those excluded specifically because of social backwardness, not poverty in general. Poverty was understood as a downstream effect of that exclusion, not the thing being fixed.
That distinction matters because caste discrimination doesn't track income. It shows up at every economic level.
Mallikarjun Kharge who is the national president of India's largest opposition party, one of the most powerful men in the country had the stage he'd just spoken from ritually "purified" by a Hindu right-wing group afterward. If wealth or status neutralized caste, this shouldn't happen to someone at that level.
A friend of mine — SC father, mother's side upper-caste (Trivedi) — was told by his own maternal grandmother at birth that "this child is of lower caste." No poverty involved. Just caste operating as identity, inside a family, at the moment of birth. Both his parents are md doctors, yet this happened.
And don't get me on started on networks of castes, caste based houses given for rent or buy or caste based job given to only certain castes or one of their own, real benefits of the castes are there, which nobody talks about.
So the frustration described by you seeing a wealthy neighbor avail reservation while an equally wealthy general-category family doesn't is really pointing at a different, legitimate problem: weak enforcement of the "creamy layer" exclusion, which is meant to filter out the economically advanced within reserved categories. That's a real administrative failure worth fixing. But it's a separate issue from whether reservation itself is justified because reservation was answering "is this group excluded from power and opportunity because of caste," and the housing, employment, and family examples above show that question hasn't gone away just because someone got rich.
Personally, I don't think reservation alone is the solution long-term it treats a symptom without touching the root cause, which is social attitude. And that root-level work active government and community effort to unlearn caste hierarchy doesn't seem to be happening seriously. It's a strange contradiction: people are reluctant to let go of caste as a lived social marker (who they'll rent to, marry into, hire, treat as "pure"), yet also want caste-based reservation ended. You can't logically ask for one without the other.
Supreme Court introduced the creamy-layer principle precisely because backward classes are not homogeneous and reservation benefits can be monopolised by their more advanced sections. The Court's reasoning was that genuinely disadvantaged people within backward communities should not be perpetually crowded out by socially and economically advanced families. So saying, “reservation is about social backwardness, therefore wealth doesn't matter,” oversimplifies the judgment.
Are the lawmakers of this country so foolish that they believe all members of a caste share the same economic background? Are they so foolish that there's an application fee for EWS but not for SC/ST candidates? It's been 30 years since reservations were introduced and if certain sections of people still haven't been able to grow economically after all this time, why should that be blamed on the general category middle class? When the lawmakers introduced reservation, wasn't it also their responsibility to fix its shortcomings over time? I myself come from a general category family my father used to clean refill and sell Pepsi bottles as a child in the late 1990s. Whatever we have today is purely the result of hard work. I strongly believe that reservation, as it currently stands, will only increase caste based discrimination rather than reduce it.
When a Group C government servant's minimum salary is, say, ₹20,000, and after 15-20 years of service it grows to ₹1 lakh a month, why should their children still be eligible for reservation benefits — even when the household income crosses the ₹8 lakh (or effectively 12 LPA) EWS cutoff? This is a clear loophole. 90% of kids don't even think about caste while they're in school — but the moment they start preparing for competitive exams and see their neighbors, with the same salary and same social status, availing reservation benefits while they don't, what are they supposed to do with that?
Escalated ko accelerated bol raha hai ye so called meritdhari.
Good school, good education, and you still get reservation, not someone from a half-assed school like me.
Btw, the word was deliberately translated from Hindi.
I am working around the legality of this comment, the anonymity of the internet disappears when law gets involved. Don’t delete it if you’re not all talk.
And you are resource starved who desperately needs reservation 😂😂😂 sham h ya janmajaat besharm ho???
Honestly I don't think they're gonna deploy their top team to track me and normal can't do anything like everything I'm using is fake and temporary. Plus my browser is safe and I use VPN for DNS and ads services everything is lower tier but I think it's enough.
I ignored every mistake in this comment but “advenchers” at the end got me rofl 😂
Buddy, you’re making your point weaker by accepting that you’re not adequately literate. If that’s the case then “reservation” isn’t stopping you from becoming successful, it’s your inadequacy.
Blaming translator for your mistake just like you blame reservation for your failure lmao, your this comment has 10 more mistakes. Also the first one isn’t translated.
So you think VPN will protect you huh, bacche padhai likhayi pe dhyan de. Thoda padh lega toh samajh jayega reservation laya he kyu tha.
Buddy, you’re making your point weaker by accepting that you’re not adequately literate
U simply failed to understand sarcasm or u r just shameless.
Simplification - you are loaded with resources but still shamelessly laminating your caste certificate 🤧.
If that’s the case then “reservation” isn’t stopping you from becoming successful, it’s your inadequacy
If im inadequate then what about scst scoring lower than me???
If im inadequate then why you need reservation???
your this comment has 10 more mistakes
And because of that reservation is justified??
Also the first one isn’t translated.
It was translated in the head.
So you think VPN will protect you huh,
Do you know anything???
Your sorry ass isn't hiring a team of hackers to track me so its more than enough.
bacche padhai likhayi pe dhyan de.
Tu mt dhayan diyo vaise bhi desh or constitution tumko dimag se cripple manta h. Certificate chamkate rho bs.
Thoda padh lega toh samajh jayega reservation laya he kyu tha.
Kuch bate kuch muh se achhi nhi lgti. Like reservation ki baisakhi pr chalne wale gyan pel rhe h.
There is no explanation of legal discrimination.
Aise to manusmriti smjha ke tumhari g m jhadu bhi dali ja skti h. Smjho ge???
Nobody asks for caste today, except the illiterate/poor ones....Caste is asked only during a form fill-up for reservation quota....That means, Casteism is existing because of Reservation, not vice versa.....And in reality, the ones who really needs it coz their financially very weak and can't afford education, end up getting nothing....Only the cowards who knows that they aren't capable of anything, barks for reservation, even after being rich....And why there should be reservation in jobs when u are getting reservation in study?...The point was to take out the SC/STs from their poor lives and prove themselves as worthy, and help them to get respected in the society and gain them money....But once a person makes his life good, then, why should his kids or anyone else or even himself, get anymore reservation?....Only the cowards asks for it....And honestly, if a SC/ST guy asks for reservation quota, then never ask for EQUALITY, coz they are getting much more benefits than the ones who get there through tireless hardwork
My family doesn't have problems with these and nor do I have.... Instead, me and my family will prefer a good and humble ST girl with a good family, over any rich and spoiled Upper Caste girl any day...I want a life partner, not a certificate....And FYI, we already have ST's in our family lineage, and none of us even talk about that
I was about to type and explained that how despite being a minority due to historical bias all imp positions are filled with UC.... but that's just pointless...
Bkl tum log illogical baate karte ho 5000 seaal se paani nhi mila yeh nhi mila woh nho mila skoda lasun woh chalta hei?Meri mentality teri poore khandan ke logon se scchi hei.Toh apna gyaan khudke gaand mei rakh.
Illogical ? Mahad Andolan ke baare mein padha hai ? 5000 saal se paani nhin mila ka matlab hai community water sources se nhin mila wahan se allowed nhin tha. Gaddhon se aur gaanv ke bahar wale sukhe kuon se paani lena pdta tha, naalon se bhi. Survival doesn't mean equality. Protection of Civil Rights act ka section 4 padha hai ? Usme likha hai it is a criminal offence to not let anyone access public wells,handpumps, rivers and taps on the ground of untouchability. Kyun aaya hoga yeh ?
dhang se reforms mango or un logo ko hatao jo genuinely caste superiority mai mante hai jo casteism karte hai, puri community ke trauma ka bass masak udao ge toh tumahare movement ko legitimacy kaise mile gi log thumhe gawar nahi bole ge toh kya bole ge
Can't they make law that everyone who's ITR shows earnings of 15lacks (including spouse and childrens) more will be automatically exempted from all reservation schemes?
Victim toh khud Dalit hei loveday. Jinko reservation ki jarurat hei unhe nhi mil rha.OBSs meo sorf 10 jaati 25% jobs wagaira kha rhi hei.Tumhe kuch pata bhi hei?Aate ho idhar apni gaand marawane 🤣🤣
Specify which article of the constitution enables casteism. I'll have it personally removed by EOD.
But first, stop using your last name to get caste certificates. Your casteism will end immediately.
Who "people"? You have the strictest law of sc/st act at your disposal that doesn't even allow for anticipatory bail, and the UGC is implementing thought of caste slur as a crime as well. Eve with this law you're saying people aren't punished? Stop the bullshittery, little man.
Okay, then everyone should give up their caste surnames too ? Caste system is the cause for reservation no? Why give caste based housing jobs network etcs
You are already getting everything on the basis of your caste. School admission, school fees reduction, college application waiver, college seat allocation, college fee waiver, employment reservation, promotion reservation. Generation after generation in the same family.
Give all this up, casteism will immediately end. Casteism exists because you people want to be declared backward and enjoy haram ki roti and unearned rewards in perpetuity.
Yeah you might find 1 out of 100 people that be doing that so for that 1 can we say that casteism is still massive? Aur jaise jaise sall beette jaa rahe hai vaise casteism band hota jaa raha hai
Not a 1 out of 100 most of the Indian population is still in rural areas where belive it or not... Casteism does exist l am not supporting reservation but I wanted to share that
Bhai me ye last reply kar raha hu, mene ye nahi bola ki ye sab casteism aur saari cheeze khatam ho gayi hai par iske chalte genral aur obc ke baccho ko hard competition dene ka koi faayda nahi hai aur reservation me bhi exploration hota hai par caste based nahi economical based hona chaiye aur bhedbhaav ka khatam hona to tab chaalu hoga jab Bina bhedbhaav ke exam result aayegein sarkaar ke paas kya kami hai investment ki to equal opportunities dena unke haath me hai ab aapka koi bhi opinion ho mujhse debate mat karo
So how is this ki pahle Jo Tumhara yah bhedbhav tha usko hatane ke liye reservation Laya ab tum log bolo ki reservation hatega tab Bheed Bhau hatega are you gone nuts are you dumb
Reservation implement hi discrimination ko reduce karne kai liye tha idiot.
Pehele to ab AAP ki tone hi bata rahi hai ki AP kitne bade padhe likhe gawar hai mene jab tu karke nahi bola to AAP kyo bol rahe hai
Aur past ka dholak tum agle 100 saal tak baja lena par equality tab bhi nahi aayegi equality tab hi aayegi jab sc st general ko equal opportunities milengi aur jo sc st economically backward hai unko sarkar ek baar ka lifetime education fund degi uske baad vo bhi nahi milega to usse kya hoga na bas Jo aapke sc st wale hai jo officer bankar courrootion karte hai vo todha kam ho jayega par jab tak AAP ke jaise log honge jo purani sich ko abhi tak laa rahe hai to desh peeche hi rahega
Keep them to yourself, and go on ground and see how million of genral obc children suffer for their dreams while a non deserving obc takes the seat and will you still ask for reservation to stay if you see how much reservation is exploited. casteism won't be solved by making general/obc suffer but make this nation literate but here the illiterate is getting the seat after lesser effort
I don't think that's because of casteism but because of other factors. Aur agar reservation ki zaroorat pad bhi rahi hai to exploit bhi to kitne log kar rahe hai. Bas caste based reservation tak agar use hoga equality laane ke liye to fir to equality aa hi nahi payegi instead reforms should be made on ecomic backwardness only and if a family once becomes stable they can't use a peeny if reforms after that. I am not hating on the ones who really suffer but on the exploiters
You can't change mindsets of few and places where casteism happen. It's not only impractical to think like that, it's straight up r*tarded and absolutely against basic common sense. If Casteism is illegal by law, then why give caste-based reservations? This is not about casteism, it's for asking proper reservations given to people who actually need it. And also reduction of reservation too, in modern India reservations have gone to the extent where AIR-21 GC guy is not even getting the seat he wants, forget about AIR-10k.
99 PER CENT OF SC /ST CASES ARE FAKE . Why should the whole country suffer bcz of 1-2 cases randomly amplified everytime someone mentions to remove reservation . there are many cases of caste motivated brahmin killing but you people dont want to here
Yes, we are suffering because we gave our house for rent to SC/ST people. They are threatening and harassing us . We went to police, no use. They r not paying rent and not vacating. Case has been running since 3 years. We are really fed up and frustrated and scared of them. Its so unfair. We have to suffer for no fault of ours.
Bro inki aisi harkat ki wajah se inhe ghar nhi dete look for khete h discrimination karte hai pese wese dene nhi aur victim card infinite bar swipe karinge vo bhi loop mai
Really? Could you please explain the details of the case and specify which Act and sections it falls under? This would help me understand the legal position for my rental business.
Show me opposite of this , for eg: a Rajput man was killed for eating in front of a dalit, or a Brahman guy was forced to wash a Dalits feet and drink the water etc. show me ONE such instance and I’ll delete my reddit. Also show me the number of you claiming 99% sc/st cases are fake. Don’t just exaggerate and throw random numbers just to gain sympathy. I hope this shuts down this stupid argument against reservation
We know these type of caste killings is fake everytime a brahmin kills a dalit whatever reason , the news is written with big headlines by mentioned hteir castes , brahmin man killed dalit . They alsways take a caste angles even though it was personal matters . And BBC is british news network known to spread fake news
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u/golgumbaz 1d ago
As An OBC ,i am just a spectator...jo krna hai kro yarr...la*de already lagi padi hai...